@tomfleet@cybergibbons@Johnny__Rage Back when I was running the offy, the lottery terminal was dial up yeah. Camelot were just starting to talk about the sat links when I left. That was *checks* fuck, over a decade ago though
@DJ_NeuroTrip@LadyRed_6 Just 2 days ago I walked down the stairs shouting "stop fucking kicking random shit" after stubbing my toe on a box I put there a few mins before. Family were amused
@h1_kenan but sounds like its their loss, and you weren't being abusive - at least in the msgs you shared. H1 should grow the fuck up if that really is the bar they're setting.
@h1_kenan I don't think the ban was fair, but can see why they'd object to your tone/how the msgs read. Some people view swearing (piss counts) as very abrasive. Just look at how happily twitter will ban for saying cunt - as much a cultural issue, in that they give it more weight
@k8em0@QW5kcmV3 You're so wrong that he needed to... move to a private channel to defend his "correct" position🤦
Sliding into DMs to argue more is just trying to hide that you like harrassing people ffs
Man who published lies doesn't know the difference between a fact and an opinon. What a surprise
Hint @piersmorgan if you're talking about what peoples opinion will be *in the future* it's never a fact because you don't yet have the evidence to support it.
She stated an opinion https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1209062524068519937
@CrowMo99@omid9@piersmorgan@bbclaurak@JolyonMaugham@GMB You have evidence to support what will happen in future do you?
It's an opinion because it is (as yet) unsupported by any evidence. Precisely because no bugger can tell what the future will actually hold.
Historians may view Brexit as a shining moment, or as a disaster
@DavidAJGreen@damocrat We also don't follow that convention with ages - which *are* tied to calendar/our understanding of time.
You're not born and suddenly 1, you're 0 (and counting).
Because 0 is the first integer
@DavidAJGreen@damocrat It is an insane position to be in though, because calendars that do contain a year 0 get equated to 1 BC. Which can't be right either.
It means despite the phrase "in the year of our lord" there is in fact no such thing in the christian calendar, at least as far as being literal
@DavidAJGreen@damocrat Except it didn't. Depending on which calendar you use of course.
The idea of "AD" was introduced in 525 - _that_ doesn't have a year 0, but it wasn't used the way we use it. It was "x years after the birth of our lord". So June would be "0.5 years after"
@DavidAJGreen@dunc_p@damocrat We do it with clocks too though. When you hit 1am, 1 hour of the day has already passed, it's not the start of the first hour of the day, but the end of it.
Numbers get invoked once they're complete, a bit like how you can't claim a pint if you've only necked a half
@DavidAJGreen@damocrat In base 10, when you reach a 0 number it signifies the start of the next block of 10.
ISO 80000-2 also proscribes 0 as the first natural number.
But then, coder, so this is a hill I'll happily die on 😃
@DavidAJGreen@damocrat If you have less than 1 of something there's a number for that?
0 is the first digit, not the last, in base 10.
In base 2: 0 is present. It's present in base 8 and others too.
Your logic would preclude both of these things. You hit year 1 when you've completed that year
So Labour ignored the polling, targeted just 60 seats (of which they lost 59), and appear to have been trying to "prove" an increase in support in Leave areas.
@UKLabour deserve the kicking they got, unfortunately the rest of us get to be the collateral damage. https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1208503645584666626
@damocrat > People saying, “The decade ends on 31/12/2020” are as annoying
They're also wrong. Lists being at 0. 2010 was the beginning of this decade not the end of the last.
You don't have 9 of something and then suddenly have 0 - gluttony aside
@Jake_ORGLEEDS@GLiNetWiFi@SeanWrightSec I'll be using one of these with a 4g stick on xmas day. The in-laws broadband is slowww as hell normally, and they only ge mobile coverage at one end of the house. Was Sean's tweet that led to me buying it too
@websterssay@ecJulie@pam30301@JolyonMaugham@BorisJohnson@patel4witham Funny, there are a lot of people up north who've said that about Westminister too,particularly if you cross into Scotland.
Neither are without their faults, I personally would argue that in recent years, Westminister has been worse than Brussels in that respect but ymmv
@ecJulie@JolyonMaugham@BorisJohnson@patel4witham Yep, thats fair enough tbh. I don't buy into the idea that supporting Brexit is automatically irrational. We both just have different underlying views & have come to different conclusions. I _really_ hope time will prove me wrong - if Brexit's a success, then great
@ecJulie@JolyonMaugham@BorisJohnson@patel4witham Invest where you like and why you like, obviously, but no financial advisor would rely solely on "because that's where you were born". Strong economy, sure, but where you passed through a birth canal doesn't really factor in
@ecJulie@JolyonMaugham@BorisJohnson@patel4witham I'm guessing you failed to read to the end of my tweet? Where did I say the EU was a country? Investing in your country of birth because it's your country of birth is a nationalist decision, not automatically a sane financial one.
We've just been very lucky with where we're born
@Obi1_Shinobi@555SB555@MikeMar82888097@Nigel_Farage Whatabouttery. Stuff that's was wrong in the past isn't an excuse to keep doing that shit.
And that's still ignoring the hypocrisy of yelling about unelected bureaucrats and then creating some of your own
@simongrant61@MGACruickshank@piersmorgan@NicolaSturgeon SNP won in Scotland under FPTP - that's their mandate.
If you want to talk %age of the popular vote, then you'd better factor in that the majority voted against
Boris' deal.
doesn't change a) though, but then she's got to ask because they're not going to volunteer one
@Greenlight22@CammykMCFC@piersmorgan but, it went the way it did. Boris has his mandate from the people, along with a nice fat majority.
He & those who voted Tory get to own what's to come. Not the outcome I wanted, but the people have spoken - that he's already backing out of promises should have been predictable
@Greenlight22@CammykMCFC@piersmorgan Actually they had an opportunity to do exactly that.
They *could* have had a vote of no-confidence in Boris, and then formed a Gov of National Unity. They talked about it, but Corbyn insisted he'd have to lead the GNU, so the ex-Tory's wouldn't back it
@abz_bell@bibbleco@BrexitPokerChip@carryonkeith@ReplabJohn You gave an impression to the contrary with your claim that national id was an EU thing. Our lot tried it too, and will again. We're just a lot shitter at keeping the scope narrow
@555SB555@Obi1_Shinobi@MikeMar82888097@Nigel_Farage He's been decidedly quiet about the fact we now have 2 unelected bureaucrats in the UK cabinet too.
I thought Brexit was to get away from those, not an opportunity to start adding our own?
@TPOSLA1@BorisJohnson No, no. Boris has told officials they're not to talk about Brexit after 31 Jan, even though they'll still be working on it, because that's the same as getting it done apparently.
@abz_bell@bibbleco@BrexitPokerChip@carryonkeith@ReplabJohn Did you know that's false/mis-stated?
Westminster has totally tried to have national ID in the past, and not at the EUs beckoning.
Criticise the EU all you want, but if you really believe we're not being led by a bunch of self-serving arses, you've got a rude awakening coming
@marsdeat@JonComms@addamschloe Ours definitely didn't have a face.
I remember being introduced to LOGO later and finding it simple because I remembered using the roamer (I'm sure that's what we called it...)
@MrPlastSurgeon@smithy6219@BRMStewart@AgentP22 what I'm saying, is that the %ages of the popular vote are irrelevant under our electoral system.
SNP won the most seats, that's where their mandate comes from. The same is (unfortunately) true for Boris.
It was the MP who said, but 55% didn't vote SNP - irrelevant
@MrPlastSurgeon@smithy6219@BRMStewart@AgentP22 No, I absolutely did not say that.
But, I think I've spotted the point where I brought confusion into it.
When @smithy6219 said many leave voted Labour, I was thinking Brexit, not Scotland
Based on his latest reply, I still think he was talking Brexit.
OFC the SNP has mandate
@MrPlastSurgeon@BRMStewart@smithy6219@AgentP22 Yes, that too.
That's the problem with trying to infer what's in peoples minds rather than basing it on the party they voted for.
At that point, might as well try and factor in how many didn't vote SNP because they didn't want to see Ruth skinny dipping :)
@smithy6219@BRMStewart@MrPlastSurgeon@AgentP22 The point is, the SNP *also* have a mandate because they won (significantly) in Scotland under FPTP.
It's disingenous to say "ah, but popular vote" because that's not how elections work. And if we're going to start saying that anyway, then the position on Brexit comes in
@smithy6219@BRMStewart@MrPlastSurgeon@AgentP22 That's not how democracy works in this country. Johnson's mandate comes from the latest General Election, won under FPTP
If everyone had voted Lib Dem (say), there would be just as strong a mandate for stopping Brexit.
Doesn't change the fact he *has* a mandate, of course
@BRMStewart@MrPlastSurgeon@AgentP22 Where exactly did I say that? I mean technically, neither is a mandate because FPTP doesn't work like that.
But, using FPTP the SNP definitely have a mandate. But the nobsack quoted by OP wants to look at %ages instead because they suit him better... until you look at Brexit
@BRMStewart@smithy6219@MrPlastSurgeon@AgentP22 That's the measure quoted at the top of this thread.
There's also no objective way to measure what those voters "wanted" outside of looking at which parties they voted for.
The majority voted for parties opposed to Boris' brexit
@BRMStewart@smithy6219@MrPlastSurgeon@AgentP22 I am.
> 55% of Scots voted for parties that want to remain
The measure is what the party they voted for stood for, not some whimsical notion of what the voter might have wanted in their heads.
So someone who wants to leave but voted for Labour still voted for a 2nd ref first
@smithy6219@MrPlastSurgeon@BRMStewart@AgentP22 Doesn't matter - the vote they cast was for a party that was offering a 2nd ref/remain. Maybe they weighted that against Boris' deal and came down on that side, may be it was some other reason - either way they voted against Boris' deal, using the logic at the top of this thread
@MrPlastSurgeon@BRMStewart@AgentP22 So 50.3% voted for a party that was offering a 2nd ref/remain.
Versus the 43.6% who voted for the Tories.
So, following the logic in this thread, Boris should abandon his deal and give us a 2nd ref. Or, is that not in fact how it works?
@madeleinekearns > while males ... impregnate females
This seems like the one appropriate time to trot out the cliche "Not All Men"
Some are shits and then blame women for their failures. They don't get to try impregnating.
Sorry, serious subject, I shouldn't joke really
@ecJulie@JolyonMaugham@BorisJohnson@patel4witham You've got exactly the same rights as EU citizens, at the moment. The only reason they'll have more rights than us is because Leavers voted to end those rights for *us*.
EU citizens lose access to 1 country, we lose access to 27
@MagiciansDinner@cybergibbons@MatthewBStocks I once carried a massive pair of bolt croppers through Ipswich, up to a motorbike, chopped the lock off it, got on the bike and rode off. No-one batted an eyelid, much less challenged me.
FWIW: Key had broken off in the lock, the tool was borrowed from a locksmith
@madwilliamflint@blackroomsec FWIW I have a JIRA install with a project for my tasklist. My text notes get filed under the jira issue reference. Notes relating to task scheduling "cant do this yet cos x" go in JIRA. Notes on doing it are in text (well, markdown) notes.
@politicsUKacct@mydoctrinesays Agreed on both, tbf I'm not sure the argument works in practice with speech either - more often than not its an idealistic argument, with the reality being that you've given someone a platform that spreads their influence/power
@markhughes@tpgcolson You've got a country that voted to leave the EU. Saying "our ideas aren't radical compared to European" neighbours is not a winning argument.
The leadership issue is him failing to recognise that he was a cause of significant concern amongst voters.
@markhughes@tpgcolson We've known Corbyn posed a serious issue for voters for a very long time. A *good* leader would have identified the risk he posed and removed himself
He didn't.
Doesnt matter whether msm misportrayed him, he knew he couldnt win and tried anyway, taking us all down with him
@talmyr@RaffertyRy@Daniel252525@bottomley74 I think what you mean there is "disaffected Labour voters".
Blame them for voting that way if you want, but perhaps look at *why* they felt they couldn't vote Labour. The answer is going to be Corbyn and his cult a lot of the time.
The party drove them into waiting arms
@RaffertyRy@Daniel252525@bottomley74@talmyr@hilarybennmp There've been observations with Remain that some leavers just can't admit they made a mistake, won't accept that a disaster is their fault etc
Yet, today we can see exactly the same mindset playing out with the Corbynites. Everyone else's fault....
@Scott_Helme@gogetssl@troyhunt@AlexJamesHaines@letsencrypt With a paid cert you'll occasionally get an email to warn you your debit card is going to expire soon.
That's it, that's the only real benefit I could think of. The "liability cover" the CAs offer is worthless if you ever actually need to call on it, much like PPI
@ledbydonkeys@OwenJones84 This, so many times this.
I know people who voted Remain who felt they couldn't vote for Corbyn. The result is that the vote gets split.
@RaffertyRy@Daniel252525@bottomley74 > their eyes & ears blocked to all who weren't in their echo chamber
Worse than that, they actively drove dissenting voices out of that echo chamber by calling them Tories, purifying their little bubble at the cost of an entire nation.
@byronesk@JolyonMaugham Based on twitter overnight... no. Its everyone elses fault, the msm, the lib dems, the tories all conspired to make people not like saint Jeremy's sacred words.
That he intends to stay for a while says it all...
@Waqarh981@vc61 Whether its his fault or not is irrelevant. His position as leader is untenable, and has been for quite some time.
This was avoidable, Labour should have had a leadership election when the Tories did
@Waqarh981@vc61 Thats not the case, but even if it was the result is the same and he needs to go.
When people are saying "I couldnt vote Corbyn", assuming theyre confused isn't the right thing to do, and results in nights like tonight.
He's shit, he needs to go
And if you think they're going to protect us with promises not to misuse it, keep in mind there's a good chance the person ultimately tasked with making noise when they don't is the same person who yesterday hid in a fridge on live TV.
Fucking hell.
Good luck properly anonymising that granularity of data. Especially if you're pulling in fucking fitbit type data too
This is a data protection nightmare in waiting. Who's in charge? Oh the woman that presided over TalkTalk's network whilst it was repeatedly pwnd
@BorisJohnson@TheRegister > Capturing the “full journey of care from cradle to grave,” the gigantic central database's “records can be continuously updated with event information, & their scope/coverage can be continuously enhanced with structured and unstructured data from across the systems and outside
@PickardJE I chose "Strong and stable" only because it's the most memorable, mainly because we've all been mocking it.
Slogans are like advertising, so the ones that stick with you are arguably more effective. It's just "Strong and Stable" probably wasn't effective in the intended manner
I know a few lifelong Tories that have done the same.
The feeling that the Conservatives aren't representative of traditional Conservative voters doesn't seem to be uncommon amongst them. https://twitter.com/pickledpuffin/status/1205099818428841984
@Joseph_Plant@ShappiKhorsandi@RupaHuq Have you *used* the NHS recently? It's in pretty bad shape in many areas. Johnson has signalled he will spend more on Police too, but it's still less than the Tories cut. His promises mean nothing.
TBH they're all crap. A hung parliament is the "best" outcome really
@Joseph_Plant@ShappiKhorsandi@RupaHuq > But it won't be a catastrophe.
Again, the last 10 years would tend to disagree with you. Look at the state of the NHS now, and imagine spending half the time again.
Realistically, Corbyn's not going to get an outright majority, so will be tempered by other parties
@ARTESOSCURASBOO@liv_lucy If I had a choice though, I wouldn't vote for them with Corbyn as leader.
But, Boris is the more pressing threat, so I'll hold my nose, vote Labour and hope we deny the tories a seat.
@ARTESOSCURASBOO@liv_lucy Yes, lets just all vote labour and let the Tories win any LD/Con marginals shall we?
Tactical voting is the *only* to keep the Tories out tomorrow. A vote for labour in many constituencies *is* a wasted vote. Just as it'd be a wasted vote for me not to vote Labour tomorrow
@Joseph_Plant@ShappiKhorsandi@RupaHuq As opposed to the past 10 years of the NHS having never been better? Or where the UK has been attractive to busin... oh wait.
Corbyn has issues, but if you're trying to suggest the party who said "Fuck Business" is a better bet for *anyone* then you're pissing up a rope
@sfiandercomms@WoodwardRJ@PA I mean, you *can*, but you'd definitely want to ask afterwards whether they're OK with it being aired.
Doing it that way round, does increase the likelihood of someone opening the door, spotting Johnson and calling him a cunt though.
@ppukip@WoodwardRJ@PA Did you go to sleep yesterday morning or something?
The "fakery" was all on the nay-sayers. That "source" who said it was faked now says her FB account was hacked and she didn't post it. She also happens to be friends with the Health Secretary
And the Hospital said it happened
@MrNMJackson@ste942000@HannahAlOthman It's right wing for "stop looking at me, the other guy, the other guy, he's just as bad, honest"
In this case, presumably said in a slightly muffled tone from inside a fridge
@HannahAlOthman Someone said to me this morning "I keep forgetting that he's already in power and not just some bloke trying to get in".
He's not wrong...
@AndyRigney@Conservatives As long as you're also aware that the @Conservatives are lying to you (constantly, at the moment) then you're probably more switched on than many voters.
@LKDevenish@damocrat I know it was said he'd go if he was beaten, but if Labour (and others) deny the Tories a majority, will he position that as having not been beaten and stay?
I guess that shows how little I trust him and his followers
@damianh9@helenth88265377@marenbennette@Natasha_Walter@allisonpearson So because *your* child would prefer cuddles, all would?
You are a sample of one, and not all kids are the same. Hell, not all kids act consistently the same between repeats of the situation.
And it wouldn't be possible to politicise it if it hadn't happened, would it?
@RealSexyCyborg Both groups also need to recognise how severe the implications of a single "in-use" failure could be.
One of those groups appears to be much better at that than the other too...
You remember those mood rings that change colour to "show" your mood?
Today, mine wouldn't be showing a colour because I'd have stomped on it, thrown it at things and put it in the blender
@cybergibbons We got lucky in that the final train back to where we needed to be hadn't left yet, so hopped on that. Guard accepted our original tickets following some explanation.
Due to that and some earlier events that day, it's a day that will live in infamy for us
@cybergibbons This was before Boris banned drinking on the tube, so we'd been drinking after the fair too. But only at a trade fair would you chug 4 absinthes then head straight to the vodka stand, having been tasting wine since 9am
@cybergibbons Wifey & I once got on the train home after visiting a wine and spirit trade fair. Pissed as a very pissed fart we fell asleep, missed our stop & were woken up by the staff at end-of-line in Norwich, at midnight.
This was all after a 1hr nap on the liverpool st station steps...
@AaronGolightly_@damocrat I'd much prefer to vote LD, but they don't stand a snowballs chance round here. Its not going to gove Corbyn a majority but might deny Johnson one. The risk profile here is pretty obvious.
@AaronGolightly_@damocrat Your alternative though is letting the Tories in. You're weighing the certainty of an insane brexit against the risk of one and leaning towards the former.
I don't want to vote for Corbyn, but I'm gonna cos my area *will* return Tory if too many go LD.
@Miles25482900@damocrat@alisonwallis60@wendy161966 Racist ideologies thrive in societies that are feeling deprived. You want more anti-semitism (amongst other things)? Let Johnson in, years more austerity and a brexit-fucked economy will foster more racism than Corbyn ever could.
This doesnt let Corbyn off the hook tho
@AndrewYee2 I mean, all power to him for not frittering that money away like some would have, but its still a story of privilege and luck rather than representative of what most teenagers could do *even* if they tried just as hard
@AndrewYee2 Earns £27K for part-time work at family firm, receives £8K inheritance from his grandma, lives with parents and doesn't really like going out & doing stuff
Article should be called "with lots of luck, a well-off family business and inheritance you too can buy at least one house"
@GuitarMoog I've had some brutal interviews in the private sector, but none have ever been as hard as *internal* public sector interviews because of the rigid structure and format.
These things are hammered into you constantly.
But walking from a paycheck isn't something everyone can do
@GuitarMoog I left the public sector years ago, but while I was there, when applying for a new role the interview was always based around the core competencies - honesty/integrity being just 1. You'd be asked to outline a situation which highlighted that comp and had to answer in STAR form
@FrankMcG@DAkacki Yep, my big objection actually is the decision not to allow resets. That's properly dumb.
If I accidentally typed it into the wrong window, I may well want to change it (even if thats to a new system generated one).
@FrankMcG@DAkacki The impact of accounts getting compromised is assessed as quite low, but this doesn't factor in the grief involved in having portions of your userbase complaining that some joker has cancelled their sub because you haven't noticed the compromise yet
@FrankMcG@DAkacki There are definitely benefits to not allowing users to supply their own passwords (I've worked on govt level stuff that follows the same practice). But it shouldn't overtly affect your approach on the storage end - hashing exists to buy you time, not to fully protect you
@FrankMcG@DAkacki You're conflating the generation of a password for a user with the plaintext storage here
They could generate client-side and store hashed, and buy some time to deal with some of the headaches if their plaintext db is compromised - reissuing pwds for all users being just one
@erinlesley1 They're more than welcome to visit me, I view them a bit like scam calls - better they're tied up talking to me for no gain than spending time talking to someone who might be vulnerable to their lies.
I tend to get my ear bent a bit after they've left though
p.s. under GDPR an email address *is* considered personal information and should be treated as sensitive. Although I'd presumably already have that info if I'd spotted a mail flying by with a password in it
You're offering infosec training, part of that should be encouraging best practice in your students. When you're not doing something that's trivial to implement, and making the same mistakes that many, many future victims make it doesn't speak well of that offering
As for "we do not allow users to give us any of their sensitive information to store in the database"
No, you generate some sensitive information, store it in plaintext and don't allow the user to change it. That's *worse*
But the real crime here, is in the fact you're *emailing* the password in response to a password reset request. Not to mention, you're not resetting the password at all.
Even if you feel the first 2 are defensible, build a damn reset page that regenerates and displays new creds
Generating a password for the user instead of letting them pick their own is annoying, but fine. I've worked on extremely secure networks that use the same approach
Storing in plaintext, though, is extremely questionable. It's not up to you to place a value on your users account
@aka_Fun_Size Heh, sitting with pliers and a needle as I did is probably a better use of my time. If I sit and start planning how to get access to a machine, there's a could chance I'll throw myself into it a little more than I should
@jay_hankins@saleemrash1d You can find apps to scan your card in the Play store, if you want to check.
Whether you trust *any* of those apps to do that is something else
700Mbps isn't too shabby in fairness. If it wasn't for the claim of a theoretical 10Gbps, most people would probably be quite pleased with this
Just in case you were expecting 10Gbps, Wi-Fi 6 hits 700Mbps in real-world download tests https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/12/05/wifi6_700mbps_speeds/ via @theregister
@Omniver42 Far from a newbie, and definitely not the case in this instance.
Any other handbag and that'd probably be my assumption, but definitely not for this one.
@SirPyecroft@darrengrimes_@steve_shorty You're not wrong, although it's not so much desperation for a 2nd ref as opposition to Boris's form of Brexit (which includes those that want a 2nd ref).
But then, a general election was always a fucking stupid way to try and resolve this
@SarahMPottratz No need now that this one's been fixed :)
Santa *has* been quite busy this year though, things I'd forgotten I'd ordered keep turning up.
@BadassBowden Thanks, seems I timed it just right as she had a crap day at work yesterday. Getting home to a fixed bag helped, although that may have been more to do with telling her how I'd filled it, worn it and jumped all over the house to check the strength of the stitching
@catchthesehoofs Heh, she has the white one too (that gets a lot less use).
I got them for her for Xmas a few years ago. I did show my lack of understanding a little when my first question was "you could just use the white one instead right?"
I reckon she'll be fairly pleased with the result even if my sewing skills are non-existent.
The lesson here: new challenges come up *all* the time, sometimes you just need to work out what the right tools are to get past an obstacle
Wifey has a (sailor moon) handbag she loves. Unfortunately the stitching gave out & the strap loops came out. I suggested sewing them back in but told can't because the leathers too thick.
So, I've just spent 30 mins using a pair of pliers, needle & thread.
Fuck can't
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems The entire situation sucks, but the priority has to be getting the Tories out. The current lot probably won't think twice about gerrymandering to keep themselves in power once in. Tweet at Corbyn and tell him he's a cunt (I plan to), but do what it takes to deny the Tories a seat
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems and you know what? I actually hope Corbyn stays neutral or (better) campaigns for Leave. Remember how many leave voters went that way because they thought Cameron was a dick? Think of the harm that Corbyn could do remain if he came down resolutely on that side
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems Even if Labour were to be the biggest party, odds are it'd still be a hung parliament. Meaning that the LDs and SNP would have a significant say (because Corbyn couldn't push things through), reducing his ability to do crazy shit.
Labour are backing a 2nd ref
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems It sucks, and like you I apportion some of the blame to Corbyn. He's shit and I don't want him anywhere near real power.
Thankfully though, that's unlikely to happen - what tactical voting is more likely to do is deny the Tories a majority
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems No, it's not on your head, but you have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to stop it by holding your nose and voting for the lesser of two evils.
I really really don't want to vote for Labour, but I'm gonna because the LDs do not stand a chance here
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems If you're in a Tory/Lab marginal then you increase the chances of a Tory seat being returned. If you're somewhere that LDs can actually get a seat then all power to you. But otherwise, all those things Corbyn "enabled" *will* happen under a Tory govt.
It's shit, but thats FPTP
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems Use swapmyvote if you want a vote registered for LD but need to vote Labour, whatever. Just do whats needed to deny Tory seats or we end up with a Boris Brexit
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems And if you wanna drag up historic shit, Swinson pressed for the ref to happen. Fuck the past, focus on making the future right so it isn't pissed away because of tribalism
@melelloyd@JimMFelton@joswinson@LibDems If I vote Lib Dem the most likely outcome is my area returns tory. Tactical voting is the only answer. I don't support Corbyn, but alternative is far worse. Some areas will need to vote LD for the same reason.
Your way avoids the risk of a Corbyn Brexit by having a tory one
@BorisJohnson Sounds like you should probably be doing an interview with @afneil then.
As a prospective PM, you believe in politicians being scrutinised right?
Or is it in fact all bluster and lies from a man who's campaign looks more terrified of the public than even May managed?
@blackroomsec Oh fuck, another one? I've been buried in shit the last few days so hadn't noticed the 2nd.
There's a whole lot of Infosec peeps I don't follow because they're, frankly, cunts. Those 2 people were among those I *do* (well, did) follow.
This bollocks needs to stop.
@chrismckee@cybergibbons Heh, yep exactly the sort of outcome you could see happening. Though the wetness would *probably* also make the defibs refuse to work - publicly accessible ones like that do a whole bunch of checks to ensure they're not going to make things worse
@SeanWrightSec I think it definitely has, but I also don't think there's any going back. Most consumers neither realise nor care (until "it" breaks), so orgs are seeing financial benefits even though quality has dropped. Fixing mistakes just has to be < revenue generated by moving fast.
@MattDrayton_BE@_mary_turnbull_@SamWebbwriter@Ally_Jay_Bee@NadineDorries@BorisJohnson@afneil Essentially, set yourself up for slightly rougher treatment and then play the victim to try and grab any sympathy votes that are available, whilst cementing support within your voting base.
More or less the same thing he's done with "Parliament hate you, and keep blocking me"
@SamWebbwriter@_mary_turnbull_@Ally_Jay_Bee@NadineDorries@BorisJohnson@afneil Yes, and to be honest given Boris' history with interviews it doesn't really come as a surprise. He does _ok_ when giving a speech, but he actually manages to be worse than May when under the pressure of an interview with even a semi-competent interviewer
@Rabberoonies@NadineDorries@BorisJohnson Yes. As long as he gets whatever sentence it is he wants to say (probably "Get Brexit Done") in, it'll be cut out of context and posted on Youtube for his supporters.
He tends to aim to say nothing of consequence and drop in a few soundbites for Youtube/Facebook
@mickjones61@NadineDorries@BorisJohnson@jeremycorbyn > intelligence, insight & eloquence
Now I *know* you're not talking about Boris here.
He _might_ be hiding intelligence and insight (though I doubt it), but eloquence?? I think you may have misunderstood the word
Corbyn doesn't need any help to fuck himself up eithe though.
@_mary_turnbull_@SamWebbwriter@Ally_Jay_Bee@NadineDorries@BorisJohnson@afneil Because it's Boris, so whatever he says is more likely to be a lie than not ;)
I agree a little tho, I think Marr may be feeling the need to make an example given he's publicly been portrayed as the soft touch for days. He's trying to come across as hard like Neil
@HannahAlOthman The odds of that kind of coincidence happening goes up quite a bit when you keep having snap elections at times of strong political tension. Not only have you increased opportunity, but you've also increased the value because some many are watching/sensitive
@Fox0x01 ffs.... I disagreed with your opinion, in that I find PoCs useful. But that's not a reflection on my or your skill & stating an opinion isn't attention whoring.
The real attention whores tend to be those who try to elevate themselves by calling others attention whores
@cybergibbons I saw one the other day where someone had answered every question they received
"I don't know, I'm not the seller I just bought one, why I am receiving these?"
@JohnAirCon@antoguerrera@frankmcdonald60 No, vote tactically for christ sake.
If you're in a Con/Lib dem marginal seat then for fuck sake vote LD and deprive the Tories of a seat. If you're in a Con/Lab marginal vote labour.
Stuff your views on which party is better, vote tactically or we end up with the Tories
@Howarth1918@Boyintheband@ek_oswald@DPJHodges@afneil@mrjamesob You're conflating Corbyn's (teams) screw-up into this. Boris wants to be PM, it'd still be cowardly of him to be avoiding scrutiny even if Corbyn had also refused a Neil interview.
I mean, I agree, Corbyn should've checked, but that's irrelevant to whether Boris is a coward
@CrusaderIan@MatesJacob@AyoCaesar@Conservatives As an Ipswich lad myself, I feel compelled to say that we're not all fucknuggets like Ian. In fact, the majority of us aren't even nearly as twattish.
Mind you, I'm not a Tory councillor, so maybe that's where the distinction lies.
@Defcon1Ghost I learnt this the hard way, after a change of manager I was suspended because I'd been on long-term sick in the previous year and it turned out he hadn't sent off the doctor's notes I'd given him. New mgr had it in for me, so it took a while to straighten things
Side note:
"We both know whats on there. It's only going to hurt me". Why the fuck would _anyone_ say *that* during a police interview
Suspect can’t be compelled to reveal “64-character” password, court rules https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1622515
@BentleyAudrey If you're going to say something positive tho, care is needed. There's a different between being a letch and paying a complement.
It's slightly more nuanced than "Your hair looks nice" vs "Phwooarr JUGS" too
@tnewtondunn Well to be fair, a campaign's less likely to go into panic mode when it's concocted of lies and disinformation. Otherwise said cabinet minister might've had to answer questions about their own party's apparent panic.
Got forced to upgrade to the new @SlackHQ today.
I fucking hate it. Interfaces should not move while I'm interacting with them.
Is there a preference somewhere to turn this WYSIWG abortion the fuck off?
@Smith0r54 Yeah drift's a nightmare for that, particularly if you're stood still waiting for an enemy to pass and instead you suddenly walk straight into them
@RobertWalter@cybergibbons FWIW btw they didn't (too expensive) and then I went to a high school where mates literally got attacked with hammers, and you were considered a pussy if you needed a knife.
At an educational level I was still bored, but life was far from boring.
I wouldn't change it
@cybergibbons > this girl is alone. she should accept any and all requests to AT LEAST ***discuss*** SOMETHING
That thread physically fucking hurts me...
@RobertWalter@cybergibbons In primary school one of my teachers begged my parents to move me to private school because he said I was clearly bored and capable of so much more.
> Years later I’m def still bored but not above average I fear.
^ that
@BadassBowden Fucking ouch. Sorry you've had to go through it (again...).
Not that it really eases the pain, but remember that the sort of person who does that is almost always trying to tear you down because of how shit they feel about themselves.
@Maja_Stina@scorchiohan@Mattcatdog@yllsson@qikipedia 4k using +30% power vs 1080 is plausible. But it still ignores that consumption is a fraction of that for a CRT.
It says, Global IT is like 0.3% of global emissions, so I think we can better target other shit
@Maja_Stina@scorchiohan@Mattcatdog@yllsson@qikipedia Yeah, realistically you'd remove or repurpose. Most people don't realise the steps taken in modern DC builds, and in the hardware itself to improve efficiency. I think I found a reference to the source tho 1/
@integgroll@ComradeEevee That. It worked really nicely and well for a while, albeit with a small level of fragmentation. Then companies decided they'd run their own service instead.
Piracy'll rise again and they'll push for more draconian laws
@Maja_Stina@scorchiohan@Mattcatdog@yllsson@qikipedia That heat gets reused in some modern DCs.
They also wouldnt be that much cooler if noone was using them (assuming you left them on) because racks are very, very densely packed even before you get into blades. A single idle c7000 can warm a room quite happily
@alexbloor Haven't seen your announcement so in the grand tradition of the internet I'll complain about it anyway. It's terrible, what were you thinking,now I'll never use aaisp and will tell my dog not to either.
And this is why the concept of a smart tv is a big ole crock of shite. Use an STB, or something like a Roku - you're either gonna have to buy one or replace your telly either way.
BBC News - Netflix to disappear on older Samsung smart TVs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50331667
@ridderz69@ClaraWe19034105@Johnhodg10@tomhfh But, Truss has *already* said that her dept would be pressing for standards to be lowered so that we can get better trade deals with the US.
Truss saying it isn't enough for it to happen, but it does show there's an appetite within whitehall
@ridderz69@ClaraWe19034105@Johnhodg10@tomhfh To be fair, it's probably as likely to eat into the EU's 30% as our domestic. Though, of course, if we lower domestic standards to compete with the US, we may lose our ability to export to the EU.
Anyone who says this is simple (either way) is lying.
I chose that specific battery because prime said delivery today (instead of later in the week), there was a better battery I'd have preferred but didn't want to wait the extra days for.
Because the jiffy was received, Amazon's "My orders" now shows the item as delivered....
Today's @AmazonUK Prime delivery has been a bit of a piss-take.
Ordered a lead-acid battery
A Delivery came today. A small jiffy envelope containing a packing slip telling me it will be delivered direct from another company.
@ClaraWe19034105@ridderz69@Johnhodg10@tomhfh And "Whole Foods" must sell food that meets our standards. If they are indeed selling the same stuff in the US then it means they're selling above standard food there.
I agree by the way, the country (as defined by the majority of those who spoke up) were against TTIP
The team that misused social-media originated data in the referendum misusing public funds in order to target social media users? What a fucking surprise
BBC News - General Election 2019: Government accused over 'political' Facebook ads https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50263197
@Shadow0pz The point though - it's absolutely shit when you need medical care and cannot get it because of stupid stuff. Not a medical inability to treat, but beauracracy, or understaffed surgeries etc.
To have to see a kid with mental health issues go up against that? Ghastly
@Shadow0pz Mind you, I later learned that that doctor declared one of my in-laws "fine" during a home visit. Shortly before he was taken to hospital via ambulance and never returned.
So perhaps it's unfair to extrapolate out to other members of the profession.
4/
@Shadow0pz If there's a concern about the possibility addiction, why would you put someone in the position where they can't get what they *need* (I'm still in a lot of pain...) through you - so that intake can be monitored and problems discovered.
3/
@Shadow0pz why? because I'd previously been addicted to a different painkiller (*I* identified it and went to them, it never became particularly problematic).
No alternative was offered, just a refusal to issue my repeat prescription.
2/
@Shadow0pz I can completely understand the frustration in that thread. Not mental health related, but I had a similar issue obtaining meds at one point - new doctor didn't feel comfortable prescribing me the painkillers I needed (and was already on) 1/
@AFVFI@kraigetrue@jeanhoodauthor@Femi_Sorry Oh, I agree. The *right* way would have been a 2nd ref (followed by an election) but it's a political fantasy at this point. With JC you're taking a risk for sure, but if the alternative is Johnson? Denying the Tories/BXP seats has to be the main aim otherwise we're all lost
@AFVFI@kraigetrue@jeanhoodauthor@Femi_Sorry I'd much prefer to vote LD, but in my constituency it'd be a waste. Enough people do that and the Tories keep the seat.
This election is about Brexit, you need to ignore Labour's (many, many) failings if they've the best chance of taking your seat. The alternative is a Tory win
@AFVFI@kraigetrue@jeanhoodauthor@Femi_Sorry That's not really how it works in reality. You need to look at how the parties normally do in your area. If Labour are normally a close 2nd, you should hold your nose and vote for them.
1/
@DFadeawayman@annatweety@HannahAlOthman The argument though is many will have travelled home and may not have remembered to register to vote at home - its not so much the opening hours. Woke up and voted after a night shift once
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP Some might suggest that Brexit is in fact doing just that 😉 But the answer to your question is that people do it when they feel they've a chance to gain something better. Like, I dunno, a trade deal?
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP Yeah, you still don't get how trade deals work. You're not going to buy the one car. You're talking about walking away because of the price of one car, but will actually be walking away from an entire lot, a valet business, cheaper fuel, some chickens and buyers who want your jam
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP No brainwashing. I just don't believe we will say no. Not (just) because the negotiators lack sense, but because there are vested interests at play here.
Your position puts a lot more trust in a group of politicians that *everyone* has been complaining about than mine does.
I _can_ kind of see where ARIN are coming from with this. It's a shame, but they'd be fools not to recognise the litigious system they're based within
Youre ARIN a laugh: Critical internet org accused of undercutting security over legal fears https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/28/arin_rpki_open_source/@theregister
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP You seem to be thinking of this as if you're negotiating just a single element. This is a Trade agreement, it's not just the NHS that's being discussed. It's not just a single "contract" you're walking from - no NHS price rise might mean no preferential access to sell into the US
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP Us if we no deal. Well, no meaningful trade deals anyway, I know Fox got a small handful sorted but they're very, very small trading partners. Meanwhile we'll have abandoned our biggest market. Seemingly with the aim of gaining access to a market we'll have to say "no thanks" to
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP The point you've missed above though, is that it isn't the NHS meeting the US pharma reps, it's the UK's trade bods. The NHS doesn't really get a say about what gets written into an FTA, if caps are waived then the NHS has to pay more
@colin_geere@andyoakes@JimKing34049311@C4Dispatches@YvetteCooperMP I'm not sure you quite understand how it works when you have no trade deals and are becoming increasingly desperate to gain some. They too get to walk away from the deal if they don't like it - do you trust our current govt to put drug prices before access to the US market?
@AndyTay07526074@Petrie_JohnC@RobzLens Saw an interview a while back, and a bloke was asked why he was supporting Brexit given his employer (might've been nissan...) had said they'd pull out. Answer: They're the biggest employer in this town by far, they're not going anywhere. He just couldn't see it happening.
@kentindell@bibbleco@brucemcd23@BestForBritain They were crazy to think they wouldn't anyway. It'd allow the EU to be blamed, the letter was sent as the result of UK Law saying it must be, and Downing street confirmed they'd sent it - not like it's something that's quietly/randomly arrived purporting to be from the PM.
@DaveAdcock@Conservatives Poor choice of example. Obi Wan was on the rebels side, Boris' lot have been referring to the remainer group as the rebel alliance.
I mean, I disagree that the majority back Boris too, but we need a ref/election to prove either way so I thought I'd be pedantic instead 😄
@Profiessor@Cornish_Damo@ukgeol@Conservatives Actually you may be correct and Iay be muddling dates in my head. Our current A50 period ends at 11pm on 31st and thatll be specifically stated in the act. Im now not so sure it states a time for today (other than "by the end of"). Wld look but shld cook dinner 😃
@RealArthurDent@JRTomlinAuthor@bricksilk I think you're misunderstanding the requirements to be legitimate. It needs to be legal and constitutionally correct. Its the result of a law, so it is.
Doesn't really matter whether he wants to send it or not.
@flyinglawyer73@eatmyallotment@JolyonMaugham 54% of voters in the 2017 GE voted for parties whose manifestos explicitly rejected No-Deal. If you want to talk about democratic mandates honestly maybe you shouldn't be including No-Deal as an option
@hackerfantastic Got to be very careful though, it doesn't always work out as it logically should. Turns out ICANN actually needed a Govt exerting some control to keep them straight(ish). Not that they were perfect before, but they seem determined to circle the drain with Nominet in close pursuit
@DaveAdcock@Conservatives You know what happens when you do that? You still have to accept the consequences, though you obv enter a plea in mitigation. It's exceedingly rare for them to just not bring charges. If Boris wants to face the music, fine, but he needs to take it on the chin
@MonkeyFacedGod@billoislove@Conservatives The "do or die" deadline of 31 Oct also came about because Macron insisted on it. So matey's also insisting we leave on the EUs timeline rather than our own
@brianwhelton@SeanWrightSec Yeah its a complete mess, though its not the LDs stopping Corbyn being caretaker pm, its the ex-torys that won't vote for him. They're all poised to stab each other in the back tho... mind you, not much better on the leave side and itll prob only get worse IMO
@brianwhelton@SeanWrightSec Til now theyve been quite clear we'll get a GE once an extensions been secured. He now has to send the request, so although there may be a little delay we should see whether they keep their word or not. Today was mostly a good thing
@Julie64286339@CheesyHammyEggy@LeaveEUOfficial Agreed, but then so is invoking their names in support of Brexit when those who fought and survived are generally against it. The jingoism seems to be coming from a generation born shortly after those lives were sacrificed.
Not surprised Paypal struggled to understand this. Far too many people don't understand how an email address might effectively move between owners.
Help! I bought a domain and ended up with a stranger's PayPal! And I can't give it back https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/17/paypal_account_domain/ via @theregister
@VALIANT189@campers_moll@Clancyk7@tinajohnson123@BorisJohnson As you like Juncker quotes btw, he said this today
And asked what his message would be to the 48% of British voters who backed Remain in the EU referendum, Jean-Claude Juncker replies: "I would like to say to the 48% that they were right.
Its just as meaningless to the outcome
@VALIANT189@campers_moll@Clancyk7@tinajohnson123@BorisJohnson I'm just going to assume you haven't googled the word "debunk" to find out what it means btw, rather than arguing with you about whether or not the Benn Act has been debunked. look up the definition, and then feel free to explain why you think it has
@VALIANT189@campers_moll@Clancyk7@tinajohnson123@BorisJohnson He said "If we have a deal". If we don't have a deal (i.e. it gets rejected by MPs) then it's moot. Neither outcome changes the fact that Juncker doesn't get to decide that, the EU council does. He can advise against it, but they can (not will) ignore him
@VALIANT189@campers_moll@Clancyk7@tinajohnson123@BorisJohnson You seem to misunderstand how our laws and the EU work. Juncker doesn't have the power to decide that (plus, he didn't *actually* say that). Also, the Benn Act is still very much in force, it's still law and hasn't been "debunked"
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson The main difference is that I'm not inventing limits within our constitution to try & bolster my position.
But, you're right, we will probably never agree. The current polarisation of the country is an issue, and despite his promises Boris's deal does nothing to fix it
@DavidGaleUK That's a bold prediction, but doesn't appear to be backed by current polling numbers. BXP are pro No-Deal and the country is not.
It being the Death of the Tories I can believe, though that seems inevitable at this point, regardless of what happens
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson And, if you're happy to count a "before the fact", Rees-Mogg.
Parliament is supreme, and by extension can overturn whatever referendum it wants. Similarly, a referendum of the people can overturn a previous one - enacted or not.
It's a basic constitutional principle
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson > You cannot now say ask the voters again as that is not how are democracy works.
It's very clear from this thread that you have no idea how our democracy works. You *absolutely* can say we should ask them for confirmation.
You know who else has said that? Farage
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson What type of out did those voters have in mind? No-Deal, EEA, Norway+, Canada+?
Which way would each of those vote if that option were unavailable? Is there still a majority now more is known?
Your position doesn't really work in an adult democracy.
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson So, choose. Would you rather it was passed to the public for a final decision, or would you prefer that MPs made the decision for you? If you hand it off to them, you don't get to restrict the choices, that's not how our constitution works - Parliament is supreme.
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson But you can't take a position that you think MP's should choose, but that they must ignore a valid and legal choice (revoking). Their duty is to act in the interests of the country, if they believe that revoking is in the best interests then that's what they'd need to do.
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson The details of the deal weren't (and couldn't) be known in 2016. They're decidedly worse than anything Leave said we'd get, so MPs would be acting on current info. Or, you, know, they could do the right thing and ask the public to choose using that information
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson Thats... that's not really how democracy works. It's also not how our constitution works.
But, you said earlier you're happy for MPs to deal with it. So if they decide the deal is far worse than remaining, you'd be happy for them to revoke A50 right?
@netsecfocus@BentleyAudrey I just got a good example of this. A US partner opened with "Thanks for your patience and understanding in this matter. "
I have to remember he totally doesn't mean what I'd mean if I wrote that.
@democracyfirst6@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson To date, there's been no majority for a deal either.
Plenty of majorities for what they *don't* want, but nothing affirmative - there's a majority against no-deal for example.
Saturday might bring a change, but it's not looking like it at the moment.
@HannahAlOthman@CantSwingACat Had one about a week ago. Would definitely buy again, but it was at a garage I stopped at for fuel.
But, tbh I'd rather by a Terry's
@BenedictMPWhite@PhilipMarsden1@missvehg@Steven_Swinford Only if you go and read what those lower courts *actually* said first.
They didn't say it was legal, they felt that it was political in nature and therefore outside their remit.
Had Lord Sumption been sat that day, he'd likely have been a single dissenting voice
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Threshold/supermajority - none. Purely because there wasn't on the original ref (and should have been).
Campaign period should be as short as is possible, which from previous statements probably means 12 weeks.
If this deals so great, then it'll attract sufficient support
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Your version, is in effect
- Take what I got you (Deal)
- Kneecap yourself (No-Deal)
It's *less* democratic by definition because you've chosen to omit a valid option. Again, if the public want Brexit, what's your problem?
@Imhappy1862@KJPSheedy@BorisJohnson As you're happy to entrust it to MPs rather than ask the public, I assume you wouldn't object if they used that responsibility to revoke A50 instead then?
If you would, then ask yourself why you support MPs deciding on this deal on our behalf.
@campers_moll@Clancyk7@tinajohnson123@BorisJohnson > HOWEVER if eu consider it a done deal there is no reason for an extension
Not true. There's unlikely to be time to actually pass the necessary legislation needed for the deal.
So we'd still need a short extension
@NostrilsRX@antoguerrera@afneil Worse than that. Get in the way of people who are using *public transport* rather than private vehicles. i.e. people who are... you know... doing something we should all try to do more to help protect the environment.
What an absolute own-goal
@RangerN8@IanDunt@MShapland Yeah, I think if I'd been the guy he kicked in the head, after pulling him down I'd probably have given him a kicking too. No excuse for others to join in though to be fair.
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Under our constitution no parliament can be bound by a previous parliament. The same principle stands for referendums - there is no legitimate constitutional reason for excluding remain from a confirmatory vote. All there is, is a political desire to do so.
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Polls with valid choices excluded just because is what dictators do in order to paint a veneer of legitimacy. Our democracy is supposed to be better than that. The public now know what Brexit is likely to look like, but you'd deny them a chance to turn back?
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Not at all. If we agree we need the public to break the deadlock, then we need to give the public an honest & open choice: not exclude valid options for political reasons.
And, if the will of the people is still that we should leave, then what exactly are you concerned about?
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton any confirmatory vote without remain on the ballot is a dishonest attempt to claim "will of the people" though. If you're asking the population then you can't exclude a valid option "just because". Yes, we might no-deal, it'll still mean breaching the GFA
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Given we can't no-deal without breaking the GFA, it'd need to be a deal (at this point itll be Boris') vs Remain. You _could_ adjust to use 2nd pref to include no deal but because of the polarisation it probably wouldnt work well
@trinityb38@gazzathedog@petecordell@lountons@williamnhutton Indeed. Unfortunately various Brexiters have shifted far away from it. I mean, hell, Farage is against *any* deal now. May should have angled for EEA straight of the mark, but tried to appease the ERG and missed the prime opportunity
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton But, fucking Corbyn can't get his head out of his arse. He still wants a GE then ref on a labour deal. Have a ref first, followed by a GE with parties campaigning on *how* they'll implement the outcome
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton A confirmatory referendum, whilst still problematic is probably the least divisive in the long term - so long as it's legally binding (and gets the protections that go with it). There'd still be upset, but at least the public have actively chosen a specific outcome 2/
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton I agree, I'm actually not in favour of unilaterally revoking. The problem is, the hardliners have been busy salting the middle ground, so it's very hard to see how we'll find compromise - from what we've heard of Boris' deal it's still a very hard exit. 1/
@spamhaus FAOD, if you're *not* in the US, then the result of this is probably significant underblocking.
The result will depend on where you are vs where the investigator tested from, as well as whether a CDN switcher is involved
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton What we seem to be doing at the moment is compounding that mistake. We know Johnson's deal isn't going to be "good" for the UK, and won't unite the country. If we're to remain polarised, why fuck the economy and extend austerity in the process? There's no clean answer though
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton In fairness, the 2016 referendum should have required a supermajority. IIRC MPs were going to amend the act, but then received the pamphlet which said it was advisory, so didn't bother. Then "Dave" opened his gob.
The whole thing was a fuckup from the very beginning
@AlecMuffett@agechecked In fairness to them, I'd be a little pissed to have set up with an enforced captive market, only to find the govt changes its mind (temporarily at least) about strongarming people into massive privacy invasion, killing my the feasibility of my business model
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton Because not leaving the EU means making no changes to the status quo. It's consitutional change which traditionally requires a supermajority - though the UK's history of national-scale referendums is pretty damn short
@sw4nvesta@britainelects@ComRes That way you've a better hope of drilling down to see what percentage of the middle ground will swing each way.
We can guarantee Remain (revoke A50) and No-Deal as possible outcomes, but we can't guarantee an acceptable deal, so treat them as swing voters
@sw4nvesta@britainelects@ComRes It's not the one version of remain that's the issue, it's that a followup wasn't asked.
"You chose leave with a deal. If no deal is available, or you think it's a shit deal, would you"
- No Deal
- Remain
@MollieW152@britainelects@ComRes Only in the sense that more people voted "not Tory" in the last general election. If you want to use that definition, 54% of voters voted for a party who's manifesto explicitly said they'd reject no-deal.
@trinityb38@lountons@petecordell@gazzathedog@williamnhutton You mean the man who was so incompetent he bungled a referendum that was, for all accounts, basically his for the taking?
What if we sent someone competent over? Though it now couldn't be for a while, given the loss of standing we've inflicted on ourselves
@trinityb38@petecordell@lountons@gazzathedog@williamnhutton There's also no supermajority in favour of leaving though, which makes things messy.
Arguably you shouldn't need a supermajority to fix a constitutional screw up anyway, but tbh *even* if you got one I don't think the arguments would be over in this case
@BadassBowden@Sevendogs5@gabsmashh Even if you get it fixed/replaced, ring round the scrappies and see if they've something that'll fit. Even if it just sits in the garage, at least then there's *a* spare you can use if push comes to shove.
@gabsmashh@BadassBowden That's the approach I used to take, you can get a wheel with a legal tire on it for £15, long as you can find a scrappy with the right wheel nearby.
I do just buy tyres now, but it's only so that ppl in the position I was in aren't losing out because I've bought what they need
I always assumed they'd "realise" this _after_ they'd implemented and seek to extend by quoting the success* of the more limited AV.
Instead they seem to have gone full nanny-state from the very outset.
*definition of success being set by the Govt of the day https://twitter.com/MylesJackman/status/1184458620337082368
Many things within the tech industry have changed during my career. Adobe's lack of ability not to release swiss has not
Sure is quiet from Adobe. No security fixes this month? Great job. Oh no, wait, what's that stampede sound... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/15/adobe_snort_patch/ via @theregister
@trinityb38@gazzathedog@williamnhutton No wishful thinking, it *is* the alternative. I'm not saying it's the likey outcome, but saying its the deal or no deal is a false dichotemy
@damocrat@TheStephenRalph@chriostoir_g I'm not opposed to german style NID. I am opposed to what our politicians and the likes of Capita will turn the eventual result into. Not to mention what the current crop of politicians might start to do if we had them
@damocrat@TheStephenRalph@chriostoir_g Its not the card itself, it's what happens in the background. German ID cards are tied to a national register - that's fine. Last time the UK tried to introduce it there was huge scope creep and an atrempt to link in data ranging from taxes and benefits to health records etc.
@danheld@perrymetzger@Blackblastie > Note: Bitcoin is already doing something immensely useful for society (mining wouldn’t be profitable if it wasn’t)
There are lots of profitable things that aren't "useful" to society. People trafficking being one. Existence of demand != good for society
@Sitting_Rabbit@IainDale A national ID scheme can work. One with a backend explicitly linked to health records, pension eligibility, benefits, bank accounts etc is a privacy and security castrofuck waiting to happen.
National ID might work once politicians learn how to closely define and stick to a scope
@Sitting_Rabbit@IainDale Thats actually an underlying issue with national ID cards in this country. Any attempt to introduce them results in massive scope creep with links to otherwise unrelated databases etc. People point out the French/Germans have ID miss that they build in protections that we skip
@BraisbyI@brexit_politics What happens when they insist (and we've already seen Truss will agree) to lowering our food safety standards? Or opening up the NHS?
Money is involved in all these, but it's not just about the money. It's also a bit rich coming from someone on the side of "we send 350m a week"
@BraisbyI@brexit_politics We won't be "taking back control" we'll be ceding it to other countries that we want to trade with, whilst we're in the position of only being on WTO terms. What happens when the US changes its mind on some tariffs in violation of WTO rules (it's done it in the past)
@BraisbyI@brexit_politics You mean people are concerned about whether they'll be able to afford to live, and are upset their quality of living might drop? Funny that.
Must be nice to be in a position not to have to worry so much about that.
But it's not just money that's the issue is it?
@CisoDiagonal@thefalken@eromang@matthew_d_green@Pinboard@bbw1984@OpenRightsGroup No. Under GDPR consent cannot be implied in that manner for this kind of thing (it's not required to provide the "service").
It requires explicit, active consent (and Apple have to record when and how you consented), being able to Opt-out isn't sufficient, you have to Opt *in*
And why might I ask, was the mail in question categorised as spam in the first place? Oh, because it mentioned 3 different domain names in it. That's it.
If you go and check your spam, and click into the mail, does it show it in the context of the rest of the thread, or mention there's a related conversation?
If a mail in a thread/conversation gets marked as spam, does the mailbox thread hint there's a mail missing? Even though the mail that is visible has an in-reply-to header referring to a mail that's not there?
@jen_h@drahcir_rahl I do the same. UK ISPs are required under the IPA to record where you go. So the vpn keeps me out of that dragnet when it inevitably leaks. Thats the threat model I designed it for and it's all it needs to do - I use other techniques for other models
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson I think you're missing the difference between not giving someone a tool and outright blocking them from doing something. The BoR intended to make it so they can't *legitimately* control the army for extended periods. Plus dictators tend to close parliaments ;)
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer You feel free to carry on shouting into the void old chap. When you next fancy stopping for air maybe take the time to read up on parliamentary history & protocol. Caretaker PM is far from a dictator. Though your man Boris has already tried a few tricks that dictators are fond of
Does anyone else get _really_ frustrated when other people's JS requires npm to fetch/install even though it'll never actually get run in node but in a browser?
@originalesushi@Doridian I found a 777'd kernel module on a box once, and yes, it was autoloaded at boot.
People do some scary scary shit because "the internet" said
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer Not that I'm saying Johnson wouldn't try it, but even amongst the idiocy of his premiership to date, it'd be the single dumbest fucking thing he could choose to do.
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer If the PM were to advise the queen not to assent, the constitutional crisis that would cause would likely result in a VoNC toppling the government, followed by a GNU and the caretaker PM advising royal assent.
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer Yes there may be an attempt to filibuster in the HoL, but you seemed to be focused on the idea that there's some kind of obstacle in law. Which frankly is unadulterated bullshit. For a group that whine about sovereignty you Brexiters don't understand our system very well at all.
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer If they decided to do it that way round, they'd amend the enabling legislation for the deal to stipulate that ext + ref are needed. Realistically tho, they'd pass the legislation for ref + extension and nothing to do with the deal until after the ref 1/
@dxgl_org@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog Quite possibly. Dont know anything about their agreement, but shopify might be doimg a private cdn type setup, with CF advertising some shopify prefixes from their nodes
@dxgl_org@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog 1.1.1.1 isnt actually cloudflare's IP. They're using it with permission of the owner of that block, in return for helping the owner conduct research on usage of it.
That list is just the blocks that are assigned to CF
@netsecfocus@BentleyAudrey I think people miss when we're disagreeing strongly too. "I'm not sure you're looking at this correctly" == "I think you're unbelievably undeniably fucking wrong"
@plambrechtsen@dxgl_org@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog Last I looked they were advertising the same prefixes across most locations. But tbf it wasn't the Stormer or anything quite at that level.
But no, either way its quite unlikely to be coincedence
@RevolutApp do you not verify numbers before linking them to accounts? Currently getting spammed with auth codes where someone has presumably entered my number instead of their own
@Brexit4Exit@nigelmp@PaulBrandITV@Keir_Starmer A referendum act would be a piece of primary legislation, so is perfectly capable of overriding the Benn Act.
Christ, where do you lot pull this bullshit from?
@spamhaus Have you got a contact address I can use to talk about issues with your investigative techniques? I have sent a mail in to an address on your contact page, but not sure it's the right place to be sending it. Can DM to me if you wish
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson When the AFA expires, of course, the Bill of Rights' provisions come in, because there's no active primary legislation to allow the standing army. But nothing about it stops passing primary legislation to allow that army, as we do every 5 years
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson You're misunderstanding how this works. It has to be passed every 5 years because that's what the AFA states. Parliament could pass an AFA with no expiration if they wished. What the Bill of Rights says about it is largely irrelevant. Parliament == Sovereign
@plambrechtsen@dxgl_org@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog That's actually untrue at a technical level. They group them onto the same set of anycast addresses, but do not appear to restrict the nodes themselves (a CDN also does not host). Doesn't change your point though, and the reason they do it is filtering/blocking of those IPs
@plambrechtsen@dxgl_org@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog Would you accept "none of the above"?
Other DoH providers are available, and that's at least a visible choice for the user. I no more trust the UK govt than I do Cloudflare. And with UK gov proven untrustworthy that means our ISPs are suspect too.
@dxgl_org@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Exactly. Though Akamai are not, of course, the only competitors affected by this. Edgecast and various others are also affected - and more than a number of ISP self-operated ones too (they commonly have a small set of nodes set up for "off-net" users to avoid interruptions)
@dxgl_org@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog I've not seen any evidence of that, no, and I've done quite a lot of testing with their DNS to make sure my stuffs handling it correctly. I don't think they've gone quite that far, just the advantage they gain by reducing the ability to use on-net caches is enough
@nscottg@SwiftOnSecurity There's something mildly amusing at the image of someone sat trying to deploy their malware, but cursing as Teamviewer disconnects again because "this looks like commercial usage"
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson It has the consent of the people. We elect representatives (MPs) to Parliament. Parliament is supreme, and can override laws passed by a previous Parliament if they need to.
I know it doesn't fit what you want to hear, but that's how the law works in this country.
Just noticed my text editor of choice has changed "Search & Replace" to apply to *all* open files by default. So I've had to sit and run git checkout on quite a few files.
FFS, whose bright idea was that?
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Yeah google's setup is a bit like shower temp - one extreme or the other. If you use their default 2fa setup then recovery is via SMS (meaning you have to give them ur number). Turn on proper protection and it gets anal af but resets are achieved via a backup dongle
@malwareowl Wait, what the fuck is pussy privilege? Is it to do with being talked over in meetings? Or that (male) recruiters will spend more time looking at your LinkedIN profile than mine (but scroll less)?
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport > If all accounts on the web had OTP
knowing our luck they'll all rely on email based OTP and then we'll all be locked out of everything 😄
I prefer TOTP tbh as its completely out of band + OTP makes assumptions about what connectivity I have to hand (tho email's not so bad)
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson have no standing. But the simple answer is - Parliament is supreme, and we have no codified constitution. If Parliament passes it and it receives royal assent, then it's constitutional. The yanks have a concept of unconstitutional laws, we do not. That help?
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson Well, for a start it's a piece of primary legislation, so your subtweet about it being "illegal" is wrong. Parliament makes law and cannot be bound by a previous session. But, anyway. Your reading of the meaning of that section would also mean international treaties 1/
@duncan2309@Aldrin11Scott@mrgrahamreed@uk_domain_names@bbclaurak If your constitutional law is rusty, look up Padfield. It answers this, and every other "loophole" they've talked about. Those "others" Laura refers to include Cummings, who's previous legal theories haven't exactly panned out well.
@PaulineMoorhou2@Political_Nic@brexitparty_uk@benhabib6 Invested in farming by letting the US destroy our industry? That's what's going to happen, after all. And if a global recession is coming, hardly wise to prepare for it by fucking our economy in advance.
@MJKIndependent@Iskandar64 Watch out for snitch taggers though. People have had bans because they called someone something nasty, and then someone else @'d the person being referred to in the thread. Still harrassment apparently
@Iskandar64 Twitter don't like that particular word. I had a ban for similar. Call them fucksticks and its fine, but call them a cunt and the world ends
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton After the Euro's/locals his position on the kicking lab got was the same as Mays "this shows people want Brexit done", rather than recognising the significant proportion of Lab voters who went Lib Dem.
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton That is what Corbyn's lacked - the ability to engage and command attention. There has been the odd speech where that's not the case, and he does seem to be improving. But for how long? His team haven't helped either 3/
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton I assume you're referring to Blair there? He has a charisma & confidence that carries him through - I think that's what Boris thinks he's doing too. But scratch the surface and many still find Blair objectionable too. 2/
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton The IRA thing in particular is quite a cheap shot really, deliberately said without context. But, in amongst other things it doesn't get questioned. The anti-semitism thing on the other hand visibly is an issue. Altho it might not be his fault, buck stops at the top 1/
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton I think it varies per person - I mentioned an example earlier, him "not being able to find a seat" on a Virgin train, when there were seats available. Others talk about other bits. The right wing love to talk about his links to the IRA etc too of course
@Resjudicatamyft@GuitarMoog And from Brexiter's own words, those same kids will likely be retiring before we see any actual benefit/gain from leaving (Rees-Mogg said 50yrs IIRC).
They're basically selling our kids entire working lives down the river
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton I'm not suggesting he turn around and call the Johnson a twat (as much as we'd all enjoy watching). The point is more that at some point it's important to assess how much of the other sides mud has actually stuck to the man on point. At some point you need to swap him out
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton The right wing press do indeed say that, and then "try" to explain it to further muddy the waters. But it's Labour who've given them an equivocal statement allowing them to do that. I'm not saying you're in a fair fight, but you don't win by ignoring reality
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton If you want Labour in a position to enact their improvements then that's something that has to be addressed. Whatever the cause, Labour's message isn't getting across on an important topic - and that's then being exploited by other parties (Tories being a prime example here)
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton Again, you're placing the blame on the people you're supposed to be trying to win over. Labour's position isn't clear when held up against BXP ("No-Deal") and LD ("Revoke"). Hell, recent polls showed something like 70% weren't clear on Labour's policy around Brexit
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton Personally, I think Corbyn's frustrating lack of clarity, obvious direction is *probably* actually driven by undercurrents in the leadership team than necessarily being him specifically, but it comes across as being him. At the moment a clear message is whats needed
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton Change is needed, but realistically if you want to achieve it it probably has to be gradual shifts rather than out and out change. And it's totally the wrong battle to be fighting in the midst of Brexit uncertainty. Might be different if Labour's position was clearer to all
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton and suddenly it's very, very easy for people to decide not to vote for him. Particularly if someone like the Lib Dems *seem* less of a risk. Doesn't mean they are, they just need to appear to be. And the right-wing press have worked hard on making Corbyn unapproachable
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton The problem is, whether we like it or not, personality politics is a thing, and Corbyn doesn't seem to gel well with people - partly because of reporting. Add to that the uphill struggle involved in getting people to come to terms with the sort of changes he's talking about
@10DowningStreet@BorisJohnson@LeoVaradkar And presumably will lie fluently during them, and then lie about what was said in them?
Then Cumm... sorry a No. 10 Source will tell more lies about what was said.
All in an attempt to hide the fact you're failing miserably and pushing on on the basis of ego alone
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton I don't have the answers you need, if I did I'd be in a different job. The one thing I can tell you, consistent across almost everyone I've spoken to about politics is that Corbyn isn't the correct answer. There's no trust for him outside of his bubble, fair or not
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton This is the thing, though. Many swing voters do not trust Corbyn. Most of the smears have been against him, so you lose the impact of those with a change in leadership (at least if the leader isn't an obvious Corbynite). You then have to work harder to combat the new shit ofc
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton When I said Status Quo, I was referring to Labour's current approach/tactics.
I mean, I agree with you about the wider status quo, but Labour's plans are irrelevant here if they can't get elected to enact them
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton The answer? There isn't really a good one. It might be that the answer is to replace him, or it might be that a change in tactics is needed. The status quo isn't working though, the local and euro elections showed that
@TheDoncastrian@DanSnowden@BDStanley@thhamilton Can he shift it quickly enough though? Especially during a GE that's going to focus on Brexit and Brexit alone?
People have had years of "Corbyn bad", combine that with a position on brexit that most don't understand, it's a hell of a hill to climb
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton Correct. At least, if your intention is that Labour should be put in a position where they *can* address those problems (i.e. get elected). He might be the right man to address those issues, but if Labour can't be elected because of perceptions of him, it's a bit moot
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson I think it's a reasonable assumption that if he sent a letter (as required) he's supposed to ensure delivery. I mean, would you want to stand up in court and try and defend *that* when you had the entire resources of the British govt at your disposal for delivery?
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton doesn't really matter whether or not it's justified, we have to work with reality. And the reality is there are a good number of people who aren't going to vote Labour because of what they've seen and heard about Corbyn.
That's damaging to *all* of us.
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton I'm not offering judgement either way on Corbyn himself here. But he really has been portrayed as the boogie-man, and part of it has stuck. I hear plenty of people who hate the Tories but "I don't trust Corbyn", "could never vote for Corbyn etc".
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton No, this dates back well beyond Swinson. Rightly or wrongly, Corbyn's been negatively portrayed in the media since before he "couldn't" find a seat on Virgin trains.
There's literal years of crap to unravel for Corbyn to be viewed as acceptable, even if the criticism is unfair
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson It's embarrassing enough that after "they need us more than we need them" they can't negotiate an exit, whilst talking about the fantastic preferential trade deals we'll somehow negotiate.
If they then can't even manage to deliver a single letter correctly?
@ABloodRedMoon@xIanTx@StandUp4Brexit@BorisJohnson I'll save you some time, applies to most "ideas"
No. Padfield
If the letter went undelivered then he's not sent a letter *to* the president of the council (as per law), he's simply posted a letter.
It'd also be embarrassing as fuck, if the UK Govt couldn't ensure delivery
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton false, but it's dangerous to assume that it's only the rich who are affected by Corbyn's leadership.
"They're Putting Jeremy Corbyn in No. 10" has *already* been used, and from people I've spoken to, seems to hold some sway.
The way to address that is to actually acknowledge it
@DanSnowden@TheDoncastrian@BDStanley@thhamilton Not true, Corbyn - or at least the image portrayed of him in the media - is dangerous to the chances of Labour getting a majority. When that means we might get a no-deal, that's a danger to all of us.
That may not be Corbyn's fault, and what people are told about him might be
Fuck me, what is wrong with these people?
Even ignoring the promises of 2016, given that @ukhomeoffice is reportedly fucking up applications left, right and centre this is an insane position to take.
The country is being run by rabid incompetents https://twitter.com/the3million/status/1182203372574822402
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport So perhaps I'm just a bit overly prescriptive in terms of what I expect out of a login flow.
It does depend on the type of account too, to be fair, there's stuff I'd be fine having passwordless. Email just isn't one of them because it's a gateway to access to everything else
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport but as a second factor it's fine.
But then there are lots of attempts to remove the first factor and just use a dongle etc, which is all well and good but you get back to "and if it's stolen?" meaning compromise
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport The problem with that though, is it keeps email as a gateway to all your accounts. Though, it's not adding it to it too much for any account which'll send a "reset password" link to your mail, which is a lot of them
I'm not a fan of OTP as the sole means of logging in personally
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Also heard quite a few reports that contacting support and saying "I can't log-in with 2FA" is all that's needed for them to helpfully disable it on an account. So it's completely worthless as a protection - particularly when the cost is trusting Twitter with your number
@IanDunt Expect the commission to be disbanded, just like ACMD was back in the day when their advice didn't align with what the Home Office wanted it to be.
@EFF Particularly as breathlessly overeacting to this weakens your credibility when things that do matter come up - like some of the requirements of the copyright directive.
@EFF The court ruled that what Austria wanted to do isn't inconsistent with EU law. I.e. if a member state wanted to try a global takedown, it'd not be a breach of EU law.
At no point did the ruling state that it had the *power* to enforce a global takedown.
Quit overreacting
@mudjokivis No offence taken here ;)
Scoff might have been the wrong word really, joke would probably have been better.
It's actually not a bad analogy at all, unfortunately it (like brexit) relies on some common sense in the population
@howe_p@JolyonMaugham I can click on them, but they won't load, because The Express has found it's way onto several fake-news lists, so have ended up filtered at DNS level on my network.
Not really minded to override that either, nothing of value seems to have been lost
@antoniosteve@mudjokivis And then have supply interruptions on walking sticks, and more frustratingly, the rubber ferrules on the bottom (they wear out *quick*)
@mudjokivis You scoff, but I have *literally* had people ask whether I've considered just getting my leg amputated rather than going on with a buggered knee.
Seems the idea of hacking off a limb isn't that big a deal to some people.
Won't deny I've had days where I've considered it tho
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport They've just disabled my 2FA again. It seems at some point they've tied the entire set of functionality to phone numbers, so when you delete the phone number it turns *all* 2FA off.
At least I got an email this time. Double checked, and definitely no notification last time
@BentleyAudrey@JamesAllan626 My sister had similar, attempts were made to stop the bullying through teachers etc but it just got worse. So one day she turned around and twatted her and then took the consequences for that on the chin. The bullying stopped after that.
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Yeah, there's an element of that, and any overly inconvenient form of 2FA also gets massive pushback from users. They want the security of 2FA, but it needs to not be jarring to use. So you end up with unhappy users *and* increased support costs if you do it wrong
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Turns out Twitter are absolutely crap at security - #conclusion' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://www.bentasker.co.uk/blog/security/667-twitter-screws-up-with-data-it-shouldn-t-hold#conclusion
Went to send them a message about it, and found another no-no on the submission form.
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Ah, we're talking at cross purposes here. SMS based 2FA is utter shit, Twitter's implementation of it, even more so.
2FA with an actual token (whether that's TOTP generated, or hardware dongles) isn't. Although Twitter's implementation of that is also shit.
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Heh, I had a call like that with my credit card provider recently. They were doing some work on the backend when I tried to check my statement balance, resulting in server errors. Turns out 3 of those will lock your account out....
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport There are some implementations out there that work - gitlab works well with U2F keys for example, but yeah it's amazing just how many sites screw up something that should be so simple.
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport@TwitterSupport when you forced me to add my phone number, you fucking removed my other form of 2FA!
So my account's been sat with a single factor since then.
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport Yeah, Twitter's 2FA is pretty shit in it's implementation. I *can* add a U2F key but can't add a backup key in case the first gets lost.
Actually, it gets worse, particularly as I've only just noticed....
@BlueBird1827@TwitterSupport In fact, my reply to them also laid out why them insisting on a number is likely a breach of GDPR. But Twitter couldn't give a toss ;)
@njamescouk@TwitterSupport That you can work around it doesn't make it right. Is Government censorship of the net OK because I can use a VPN to circumvent it?
They shouldn't be fucking up like this in the first place
@CisoDiagonal@BentleyAudrey Yeah, bought a 99p PAYG sim specially for the purpose. Might seem overkill to some, but today somewhat vindicates it. I did first appeal to Twitter to point out requiring no. may not be GDPR compliant, but they didn't give a fuck.
@TwitterSupport You force people to provide a number to reimstate their account after a temporary ban - regardless of the appeal status. To then have screwed up like this with those numbers is beyond unacceptable
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog Stop putting words in my mouth, I said I wasn't going to comment *in this thread* not that I don't take other stuff imto account elsewhere. I just don't have a need for an anti-Cloudflare circlejerk.
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog That's not what I said. I said I hadn't commented on it, nor am I going to in this thread. The equivalence I drew with Akamai only goes so far as the impact on the technical discussion we were having.
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Side note: DoT of course doesn't include an option for you to specify, so I just don't send for queries resulting from a DoT query.
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Whilst that's true, I think it's fair to say that's vastly in the minority vs lookup + connect. And, CF could cater to that by letting the user-agent specify whether to include ECS or not - my DoH service does exactly that, if you disable ECS, I won't send it
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Personally, my pref though, would be that CF just support ECS and allow the user to choose. It's right there as an option in Firefox - network.trr.disable-ecs - though I don't think it's in the RFC, in fairness. Even on (disable ECS) by default would give the user a choice
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Observers don't get the "benefit" of ECS, but the final destination does. That final destination will ultimately know more about you than ECS gives them anyway, because you'll connect to where you're told.
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Looping back to DoH though, CF *could* have implemented ECS in a more privacy sensitive manner if they wished. In fact, Mozilla's own guidelines lay it out. Speak to the authoritative using DoT (if it supports it, obv).
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog The thing is, there is no solution for geo balancing/routing that won't have misses. Anycast has it's own specific set of issues. It's not that Akamai's routing is badly engineered (though in that case, misconfigured I suspect). In fact, it's vastly superior to what preceeded it
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog I'm only really here for a technical discussion. What I think of Cloudflare's business practices doesn't really make much more difference that what I think of some of Akamai's practices (for example).
So, no, I've not mentioned it.
@Scott_Helme It's fine, although Hollywood tells us otherwise a cigarette/cigar cannot ignite petrol - it's not hot enough. You can in fact put a fag out *in* petrol.
If your fag goes out and you instinctively reach for your lighter though...
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog That post though, reads like something was misconfigured somewhere. Akamai should handle Cloudflare's DNS service better than that (I do, so Akamai have no excuse) - the fact the name was returning a single IP globally for a part sounds like they hit a fallback
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Which are often addressed by? *drumroll* using a hybrid mix of multi-cast & geo-routing. The latter of is still broken by a lack of ECS.
That's not just a CF thing tho (altho they did make a deliberate decision not to include in 1.1.1.1), Mozilla's TRR rules all but prevent it
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog > badly engineered load balancing?
You're going to need to clarify that statement, because you're either misunderstanding the aim of routing, or how CDN's are architected & operated. Multicast (a la Cloudflare) brings it's own subset of issues
@PMaria68@Anthony69398615@Steven_Swinford No-one suggested that you need a law degree. Many of the people replying to you are not QC's but can see this for what it is. It's just that your conclusion seems to be based on what you want rather than how the law actually works
@PMaria68@Idontmind64@Steven_Swinford Doesn't matter who wrote it, our democratically elected parliament enacted it.
What you suggest is that one man - the PM - should have the power to pick and choose which law he abides by. That's not a law abiding country, that's a dictatorship in waiting.
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Oh, there's still very much there, trust me :) I can't go into numbers or specific examples, obviously, but they're definitely still there and are generally used by large volume customers.
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog I agree, but it's the easiest way to do it as the majority of providers do not disclose volumes (for good reason). Akamai are massive and almost certainly continue to outpace CF on volume. Hell, I've worked on "smaller" CDNs that quite possibly do too.
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog@mozilla@OpenDNS I don't entirely disagree with that statement, but my objection to CF is as much about them becoming a gatekeeper to the net & having sight of a *lot* of your net habits. There's too much centralisation on them, and it's not immediately visible to those affected most - the users
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog@mozilla@OpenDNS A lot of users (particularly in the US) don't have an option to go to another ISP, others - as you note - have to worry about Govt level stuff. The main problem with DoT is it's easily blocked (DROP TCP/853). DoH is designed to be hard to block - which is ofc the issue some have
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog@mozilla@OpenDNS There are definite benefits to DoH, so I'm not sure "like blockchain" applies here in fairness. The RTT to the DoH server is a concern, but then the big provider's have on-net pops so it won't affect the bigger ISPs. DPI on SNI is a lot more expensive than DNS logging too
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog though there are many global scale non-ECS DNS services that haven't - @Fortinet's DNS services are a death sentence in latency terms for users in Asia, for the exact same reason.
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog But, it used to be far, far worse. Early in Cloudflare's DNS days, most geo-location databases would tell you that CF's IPs were in the US, so everyone geolocated there as a result. That aspect of things has at least improved
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Yes, I noted this in a later tweet. It's not just NZ that suffers from this either, it's the same in many countries, including the US - particularly as the presence of on-net caches has often been factored into scaling decisions for peering connections
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog The true behemoths in delivery (Youtube aside) tend to use a varied mix of providers and use CDN-switchers (such as Cedxis's product) to route traffic between the CDNs, based on region as well as weighting.
As you note tho, Akamai remains a behemoth in the industry
@plambrechtsen@SimonRWaters@MalwareTechBlog FYI, CF is about 22% of the CDN market, measured by number of sites, but that doesn't necessarily translate into bigger volumes.
> Google, Azure even Apple
There are companies out there who do far, far more data than those. You're mistaking company size/value for volume
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog The result of which in the long-term, is degraded performance for you as the end-user. The solution to that is for CF to include ECS information in upstream queries, but they don't (and can't due to mozilla's rules for TRR - though they don't include it for udp/53 queries either)
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog The difference in performance to you may not be too huge, depending on what your ISPs peering is like. The difference for the ISP, though, is huge as they lose out on a lot of on-net caching efficiency and develop increased congestion at peering points.
@SimonRWaters@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Geo-targetting is only part of routing to CDNs. If you use Cloudflare, I can tell you're in (say) Iowa. But, what I can't tell is that you're on Verizon. If I have caches in Verizon's network, you're not going to be routed to them and instead will go to a publicly available pop
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog@mozilla So, DoH via Google (who on their non-DoH service do include EDNS Client Subnet in upstream queries) won't include ECS either.
But yeah, colour me cynical, but the only CDN not harmed by CF not including ECS is... Cloudflare. All their competitors take a knock
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Worth noting though, that this is not *entirely* Cloudflare's fault in the case of DoH. If you look at the requirements @Mozilla impose for upstream ECS (assumning you want to be included in their pool) it sets a bar that effectively prohibits any provider from including ECS
@plambrechtsen@MalwareTechBlog Akamai actually handle it pretty well. What it really breaks is identification of which ISP you're on, so if they have on-net caches you're going to miss out on going to those and will instead go to the geographical nearest
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs The idea that taking the pics is incorrect is your premise. This isn't a faberge in a battlefield, it's an adult taking pictures of tits and not wanting randomers to nab it out of their camera roll. Your other answer is better - you can do x, but it leaves you open to y
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs whether that's because the right way is out of budget, or that it would unduly impact some
aspect of operation they hadn't told you about. This is the same principle - not taking pics isn't an acceptable solution for some, so you need to work within that constraint
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs Thing is, it's not that your way is wrong - for some it's a perfectly acceptable solution. The issue is that it's not suitable for all (maybe the majority in this case). When you're giving advice to a client, you generally have a fallback right?
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs again, if your solution is entirely incompatible with their workflows then your solution is wrong. No-one, business or person, is going to change the entire workflow to make your solution fit, they'll just ignore you and ask elsewhere.
Perfect can be the enemy of good
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs But the business defines whether something is a "need" or a want, just as a person does. If a business insists they must record x, we might spend some time trying to talk them round, but don't generally refuse to give advice on how to secure it when they don't budge
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs I share your distrust of phones, but most people don't. They care about threats they see as more likely - randomer swiping pics from camera roll, cloud storage breaches etc. Telling them not to simply means no improvement - they're still going to do it
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs Thats fine, but its not the right advice for everyone. We don't tell businesses that want to know how to protect data just not to have that data in the first place - effective security in the real world means accepting that user behaviour isn't perfect and never will be.
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs As for don't take pics? People are gonna do it, if your solution doesnt match the common behaviour patterns (i.e. people take pics) then it's the wrong solution.
@klosnet@BadassBowden@Snubs That's not going to work for the vast majority. By a very long shot. A seperate pw protected app isn't even close to perfect, but helps prevent casual discovery and theft - which isn't at all uncommon.
It's easy to see the headline and think "no shit sherlock", but give this a read to see just how dodgy it was.
They used names stolen from an open MongoDB, and then later re-used the same names to bulk-comment on another FCC proposal.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/04/fake_neutrality_comments/ via @theregister
@JolyonMaugham@bbclaurak The second pic isn't contradicted by the first though. The 2nd says he cannot frustrate the sending of the letter.
The 1st says he's privately encouraging an extension refusal.
Not saying it's legal for him to do, but both pics can be a correct statement of his intentions
Figured I might as well write my #Brexit predictions down so that in the years to come I can see how wide of the mark I actually was - #shortterm' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://www.bentasker.co.uk/blog/opinion/616-brexit-my-predictions#shortterm
@MxFrankDuffy@TomChivers ^ this. I'm not a vegan. I'm not even vegetarian.
But, I'm increasingly cooking meals without meat in them, because I've found that some of it can be bloody tasty.
I'm not talking Quorn sausages or mince here, obviously. Yuck
This isn't exactly a win for the FCC though, it's been noted their reasoning is questionable, and their ability to pre-empt states is very, very limited.
Why Ajit Pai’s “unhinged” net neutrality repeal was upheld by judges https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1578617
@Maliciouslink We would need widespread PulseAudio survivor support groups though.
Hi, my name's Ben and I've had conference calls screwed over by PulseAudio randomly changing inputs and ignoring application settings
@AHart1974@ShappiKhorsandi Plus, you've missed why she was telling her to read to the end. Becky's upset that Shappi considers it assault, when the article clearly states she doesn't.
@AHart1974@ShappiKhorsandi Skipped over where her hand was located at the time did we?
Big difference between a hand on a shoulder and putting your hand onto a strangers legs in order to "hold their hand"
Don't touch strangers. It's an easy rule ffs
@ripencc RIPE have allocated their last contiguous /22 today.
They're going to make up /22s from /23s and /24s, and when they can't will announce they've run out of IPv4 addresses
> We expect this to occur in November 2019.
Remaining pool: https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/ipv4-available-pool
@lifeofpippa_@scope@HuffPostUK It's actually one of the worst bits of my personality in some ways - that bit that says "fuck it, I'll be fine" or "it's worth it" when I know it's not.
As someone who does it, pushing beyond your physical boundaries isn't something we should be telling people to aspire to
@lifeofpippa_@scope@HuffPostUK Excellent article.
I have a habit of pushing myself too hard at times and *always* pay a price - usually for days, sometimes weeks. It is at least my choice/fault.
No-one should ever feel they're being pushed to push beyond the limit, the price is high & increases with time
@Beddau71@collins_njc@DanielJHannan Whatabouttery doesn't really change the point though, does it?
Either a change of Government without an election is OK, or it's not. Hannan seems to lean towards the latter, despite the current government having got in place without an election.
@wisitwippl@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi > Funny how men considered to be good looking and popular are rarely accused of inappropriate hugging.
Thats a *very* incel thing to say btw
@wisitwippl@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi Given you don't appear to comprehend whats written, Id agree.
Just remember - don't touch strangers without asking. Easy
Have a goodun
@wisitwippl@whosaidthat10@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi It was as much an excuse to share the video tbh. It's different, not least because they're on a game show - but it's still not necessarily ok.
Look, if you want to touch/hug random strangers that's up to you. The point is you can't complain if/when they object.
@wisitwippl@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi PC? No. Just don't want strangers touching me, so can understand exactly how others might feel that way. It's not PC to tell you not to touch someone who hasn't consented to it. It's the basic concept of personal space.
@wisitwippl@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi Its not necessarily offensive or threatening, but it is self-centred. There's a very good chance the person doesn't want to be touched by a random stranger - you do it because you want it, without checking what they want
@wisitwippl@BarStirer@ShappiKhorsandi Hugs are out too. If you don't know them then don't touch them without getting permission first. It's a simple rule to remember - don't get tactile with strangers.
Why do so many people feel the need to push up into other's space in the first place?
@SwiftOnSecurity Most _people_ here are against it though. The papers and supporting politicians dress it up as "safety" because you'd have to be twisted to put your privacy over a child's safety right?
It's all a complete sham, designed to enhance someones political career
@Golding314159@Shazzyrm@afneil Smoke machines don't actually make smoke. It's a thick atomised fog - sometimes using Glycol (i.e. similar to vaping), sometimes thick water vapour, and sometimes CO2 (if dry ice is used).
So, your understanding of smoke machines is crap. You still confident about project fear?
@RoseWorthesee@eyejosh@JMPSimor The two aren't mutually exclusive - the earlier claim there was a big increase in short positions could be wrong, but Johnson could still've been unduly influenced by those remaining backers who did short. The question really is, will the CO investigate, and what will they find?
@turley6734@AndrewTait67@JMPSimor > now no seperation between the judiciery and the seperation of powers
That sentence doesn't even make sense. But what you were trying to say is complete and utter bollocks too.
@Nephthys287@robertshrimsley@adamboultonSKY The Prime Minister and Government should always obey the law, but it seems this current one is definitely on the side of ignoring whatever's inconvenient.
One allows Parliament to debate, the other attempts to close Parliament. In a democracy, I know which is worse, do you?
Assuming the London Assembly believe the allegations are credible, then it's entirely proper that this be formally investigated - that *is* part of due process.
It's certainly more proper than the media-based dirt-digging we've seen in the last week. https://twitter.com/DanielHewittITV/status/1177683709207699456
@DGreeenshields@paul976431@JuliaHB1 Mate, some of them went out and trashed Ikea when we beat the Swedes in the world cup, they don't really need an actual excuse.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 You not got a more recent reference than the 4th? You'd find a much more recent quote, along the lines of - get an extension in place and we'll have a GE.
I'm bored of this discussion, it's going in circles. Muting
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 IIRC, their concern was that he'd play funny with the dates. Personally, I'd have preferred they toppled him then too, but it doesn't really change where we are - yelling "chicken" because they won't support a GE that'll trigger a no-deal during purdah is rather pointless.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 Again, go look up any PMBs introduced that the Government opposed. I'm not here to use google to help you understand parliamentary procedure.
Govt backing is extremely helpful, but not required.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 No, they were very clear that it was because they don't trust Johnson. And, why should they?
If the people really are behind him, then you'll get what you want, it'll just be delayed a little (again).
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 Yes, if he breaks the law then that misconduct in public office.
If he can find a way to operate and within the law, that's something else, but "is it enforceable" is not a question a PM should be asking.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 You seem to have taken that from the Institute for Government and trimmed off the first word of the sentence
> *Most* primary legislation is brought forward by the government
It's not a requirement
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 I disagree, but let's skip over that for a moment.
Say it is secondary legislation, what exactly is your point? It's still the law and the PM remains bound by it.
It changes nothing about the need for an extension before a GE
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 Do feel free to link me to where you're drawing your definition from.
It's an Act of Parliament - it is primary legislation.
It's not a SI, it's not a procedure order and it's not a hybrid.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 I'd suggest it's you that's misunderstanding it.
Primary legislation is created by the legislative (i.e. Parliament), Secondary is created by the executive (i.e. the Govt).
Is the Benn act an Act of parliament passed by our legislative body?
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 Yes, improper, given there's an act of Parliament requiring him to take actions to avoid no-deal.
They did, and they've also been very clear that they'll go for a GE as soon as an extension has been put in place to allow time for that election.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 It has. It's called the EU Withdrawal Act No 2, and attempts to prevent us leaving without a deal on 31 Oct. It specifically states that it amends the 2018 act
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 I assume you mean aside from the Benn Act. Pick any successful Private Members Bill raised by an opposition MP for a starting point.
The idea of primary legislation not originating from the executive isn't particularly novel.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 but it would be entirely improper for a failing minority govt to allow the status quo to change during preparation for that GE.
If he arranges an extension then wins the GE he can always say "we leave next week" to the EU.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 Yes, though you've missed an important bit off the end - a set of rules that *no* country in the world relies soley upon. You could also include "despite not being supported by the majority of the voting population".
I agree we need a GE to unlock things
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 > If you wish to introduce primary legislation to change that then you need to call a GE and change the government
Your understanding of how and when laws get changed is deeply, deeply flawed.
@MikeSaul11@MartinSilenus3 What they're concerned about is that he'll let us no-deal before the GE happens. Earliest date for a GE now? 5 Nov - we'd potentially have crashed out already.
He's the one who shat the bed, it's quite right that it be him that has to lie in it
@AndrewOrlowski Conversely though, you can argue that some of the harder brexiteers have gambled on achieving the other extreme - no-deal. The role of a *good* PM would be to try and make the 2 meet in the middle rather than pandering to either. Unfortunately what we've not had is a good PM.
@cybergibbons That same locksmith once lent me his big bolt croppers once - key snapped of in the lock of my GF's (motor)bike lock. Very kind of him.
I very nearly got nicked on the walk back with them though - my explanation of why I had them was honest, but in hindsight lacked context
@cybergibbons I remember getting locked out of a crappy flat I rented. Locksmith came out, I was expecting he'd probably drill it @ a cost of £100.
He took one look, said "ah, one of these", and shoulder barged the door instead.
Turns out that lock was really shit
Really does sound a lot like "do what we want, or the threats continue"...
Interesting, if unsurprising, to note in there that Cummings is as willing to lie about what he's said as Johnson too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49847304
> DoorDash notes that the exposed info on its own would not be enough to make a charge on an account.
But, is more than enough info to be useful in trying to social engineer access to a user's accounts elsewhere.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/26/doordash_data_loss/ via @theregister
@ScriptULike@ellieelizaa Yeah, no realhope his mind'll change, just the rejection made me chuckle. Almost as funny, given what we know about certain brexiters.. uh discoveries.. was the claim its remainers who know nothing about the EU
@SenorDelPina@bunchofkeys@ellieelizaa You said she was re-elected on the basis she'd respect the ref, I was just pointing out the manifesto promise she was elected on. As were many, many other members of the house
@SenorDelPina@bunchofkeys@ellieelizaa She also stood on a manifest that said they'd reject no-deal, which is exactly what she's been doing.
Not to mention, Labour didn't win the last election, so it's a failed manifesto. Generally parties that don't win don't get held to their manifesto promises.
@CampbellGordon5@ScriptULike@ellieelizaa > and reject it
Oh, good. Now it can't be used in that way. Glad that's solved.
Doesn't matter whether you accept it you silly sausage, those are the connotations. The threat of No-Deal was never effective leverage to begin with, the harm it'd do us vs them is disproportionate
Xiaomi's software is weird. Just been trying to figure out why Firefox was suddenly claiming DNS wasn't working. Chrome was fine. Then noticed Play store and Intra claim no connection either.
But I can browse the web with chrome... Tap the wifi off n on and all work again
From across the pond, but it really is a week of courts being pretty blunt
FCC loses in court, judges say agency would fail “intro statistics class” https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1573661
@BrianMyrieSalsa@Life_Disrupted Boris is an utter utter twat, but Hacker House are a legitimate part of the Infosec community.
If he had a backbone, Boris'd be speaking up. Lets keep the focus on him eh?
@BrianMyrieSalsa@Life_Disrupted >Cyber, Web expert
Clearly you're not. Hacker House are well respected within the industry. You're also not in their target market, so not really in a position to judge the marketing
@BrianUkulele@BrianMyrieSalsa@LaylaMoran They used to, yes.
Presumably there was more demand for on-site training in the US. That's not uncommon, I've known other trg providers find the yanks prefer to send someone on-site, while we'll take online training if possible.
@hiesandloes@tom_watson Given you're failing to share a document because the token keeps expiring, perhaps you're really not best placed to guess at what rate an ethical hacker bills at?
I feel like AG Cox's argument of "if we'd wanted to, we'd have prorogued for longer" isn't quite the convincing argument he thinks it is...
It's like he's saying "just be glad I didn't shit in your handbag too"
@TheRegister > "If you really want that this system can come up on its own, don't use this stuff. This is about security."
Lucky you're not talking about an OS that's widely used on server... oh, wait.
@icassassin@Massvwatches@SwiftOnSecurity@DrJenGunter $1000 "directional" CAT-5 cable for connecting your NAS is still my favourite.
Not just the insanity of the product, but the arguments on the forums where people talk about minor voltage variations somehow dirtying digital audio during transmission
@ArtMinx1@sootyaba2015@afneil Same issue. The opposition could form a GNU & request an extension. EU council isnt the last date it can be requested - thats the 31st - its just the most proximate meeting.
He cant get out of this with VoNC. Might score some political capital if he doesn't balls it up, thats it
@AlanHill@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse@hackerfantastic Your tweet implies that she deserves what she gets for being around him. That's punishment by association. Boris's reputation is irrelevant, as is whether or not she slept with him. She's splashed over the front of national newspapers as part of a political feud. Hows that right?
@AlanHill@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse@hackerfantastic You're assuming there was anything there in the first place. Not to mention, what amounts to public dissection & humiliation is well, well beyond any outcome we should consider reasonable, even if Punishment by association were ok.
@AlecMuffett True, but you've got to call out the media out too as they're a massive part of the problem.
Johnson, of course, should have moved to mitigate rather than letting the speculation & abuse grow the way it has.
IF they did have an affair, he's failed her all the worse IMO
@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse@hackerfantastic Beyond swearing on Twitter though, there's no much _I_ can do. I did think about sending a tweet the other day just to say not everyone buys it, but it seemed overly-invasive. I don't know her, and my best intentions may just add to a stressful enough time
@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse@hackerfantastic But I can also understand why people perhaps aren't flocking to stand up against it. This is *big* and that's scary, because there's a perceived risk that you'll get taken down by association
@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse@hackerfantastic I can't stand Johnson, he's a liar an unfit for office. But this isn't ok, and if it brings him down I'll feel we've lost something important as a country, letting tabloid scumbags rake up filth and throw it at bystanders.
@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse I know @hackerfantastic is also having a bit of a time of things in this regard. It's not right. You've got a business and real living people getting thrown against the wall as collateral damage in acts of political warfare. Why, because a business woman did business stuff?
@AlecMuffett@Jennifer_Arcuri@myhackerhouse I'm of a similar position, it makes me quite uncomfortable to watch. Particularly given that Boris _could_ have done all those things without anything she did being remotely questionable. The vilification and character assassination she's getting just isn't on
@Joffrey61964585@HughesJaques@JuliaHB1@talkRADIO I mean, as you say, it's not going to affect most of the base that already support him.
But what about the undecideds and the on-the-edge? They're the people he needs to care about, particularly where he risks his support being split by BXP
@Joffrey61964585@HughesJaques@JuliaHB1@talkRADIO True, but Johnson really is quite stand-out in that respect. Sacked from multiple jobs for lying, lying about an affair, the list just goes on and on. Not to mention buses.
In that context, you can see why he might be a poor choice if you're trying to reduce resistance?
@Joffrey61964585@HughesJaques@JuliaHB1@talkRADIO If anything, those who support Brexit were incredibly short-sighted to bring such a liability on board in the capacity they have. He's a liar, and he's not actually very good at getting things which require detail done. There are other ERG's who would've done better
@Joffrey61964585@HughesJaques@JuliaHB1@talkRADIO But for most, attacking Johnson isn't about stopping Brexit. It's about the standards we expect our representatives to adhere to.
A PM shouldn't be playing novel constitutional games. Even without his consistent career of lies, that's a non-starter
@Joffrey61964585@HughesJaques@JuliaHB1@talkRADIO If you want to talk about actual hard-left, you'll find a lot of those are quite pro-brexit, for brexit itself. The EU is seen as not socialist enough, and a barrier to reaching that "ideal".
Not that there aren't those that want to see the Tories burn their fingers too
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak conversely, how am *I* free-er if my premiums go up because you and some others have used your new-found freedom to sell concrete powder as a vaping substitute?
The costs there are still very much socialised, it's just that it's a private company collecting them.
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak OK, so lets take healthcare as an example. In your privatised world we'd need health insurance right - given most can't pay for Chemo etc out of pocket.
So, what's to stop the insurance providers using their leverage to dictate how we live (to protect premiums of course)
@paddy_fern@magpie1159@BorisJohnson The "actual law" also says that Boris has to extend if a deal hasn't been agreed.
So the law says we leave on 31st with a deal, or we request an extension.
@TheRealTJA33@HardingMike@toadmeister In a thread where we're talking about the PM having effectively bunked off by unlawfully closing Parliament, it's a bit rich to judge a girl missing school because she's concerned about the environment.
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak What we've got doesn't deal with that brilliantly, but it does deal with it.
In your model, how do you deal with one of the things you mentioned further up? Corrupt judges selling people into the penal system (which would now be more of a for-profit enterprise)?
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak before he was locked up for those sales being 100% fraudulent. Access to a city without fraud, and without Government enforcement, sold as a fraud.
I get not every instance is going to be like that, but it highlights one of my doubts: people are a failure point in most systems
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak You have much more faith in the free-market, and people than I do I think. I appreciate you may not adopt the label itself, but it's a very libertarian outlook. Somewhat ironically Morgan Rockwell sold plots in a libertarian city - Bitcointopia
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak Ah, so some of the structures we currently have, but privatised with different "providers" bidding to do the role?
IOW, using free-market dynamics for everything?
What about things that require regulation? Medicines/drugs being a common example
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak OK, and if they do? How's that handled if there's no state or similar apparatus?
How's it handled when someone (there will be one) tries to put themselves in place as 'leader' through violence/threats/fraud etc
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak The law they've just enforced is that Parliament is supreme and cannot be shut-down for extended periods because they're inconvenient to the PMs plans.
That's not exactly an unjust law. In fact, it's stopping exactly the kind of behaviour we see in places that are very unjust
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak You appear to be overseas, I think you're missing a bit of context here.
We have papers that are slapping the faces of judges on the front-page under the headline "Enemies of the People".
We have nutters sharing addresses of the lawyers involved in the case.
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak He said "respect", not adhere.
There's a difference. You can stay within the law, whilst calling the judge a biased cunt. That's not respecting the rule of law.
You can break the law whilst still respecting it - accepting you're getting done when caught
@falgal@BillCashMP It's ok though, Parliament wasn't actually prorogued, so those 17.4m and the rest of the country have their voices back again.
Fucking yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak The difference being people aren't exactly being egged on in a "people vs judiciary" campaign for weed are they?
No-one said anything about bowing down, either. If you wanna break the law, go ahead, but do it knowing it's against the law. Don't try and excuse it, own it
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak Sorry didn't realise you were still typing, or I'd have waited with the reply I just sent.
I'm not sure even they would claim their infallible to be fair. That's part of why judgements get delivered with the reasoning laid out
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak Particularly if you're the PM.
But you're right, you can oppose the decision without breaking the law. So, if a protest around this turned to violence, I assume you'd be criticising those people just as much as I would?
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak Indeed, but that's not the corollary here is it? Do you have examples of abolitionists doing that by claiming the judiciary were biased?
And are you saying it's immoral for the court to reinforce Parliamentary sovereignty? I thought that's what you lot wanted?
@dingdangdoit@tony_aitch@zatzi@KevinLeader2 So you, like so many others, didn't actually listen to their ruling did you?
What was said to the Queen explicitly doesn't matter, you complete fucking nugget. The basis under which things were said was unlawful, so all that followed was unlawful
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak Oh, I'm aware of those, but that's not how abolition ultimately came about is it?
If you object to today's ruling, then you and others can press for Parliament to change the law and grant the PM the necessary powers
@TheDanCotter@markandrew69@Matt_in_London@mjamesevans@bbclaurak They did that by operating within the law in order to change the law. Not by claiming that judges are biased.
Funnily enough, operating within and changing from within are also what some Remainers were arguing we should do with the EU.
Not the best example you could've chosen
@ukcryptogal@ksnmiyagi@bbclaurak As far as the law goes, it *is* the ultimate in judgement.
And one of the points, had you listened to the ruling, is that it doesn't take 5 weeks for the Queen's speech to be prepared, it takes a few days.
@SPP_PMurray@bbclaurak A PM that's so habitual a liar his representatives were telling the court that the prorogation wasn't about Brexit, but when it's overturned accuses them of trying to frustrate Brexit.
@bbclaurak Legally, your source is wrong, even if that source is the erstwhile Mr Cummings.
That they'd try and double-down on it rather than respecting rule of law tells you how few shits they give about this country
Why the hell were Chef still quite so reliant on an ex-employee's modules? What if he'd left under a cloud?
Good for him though
Coder deletes open source add-on for Chef in protest over ICE contract https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1573265
@damocrat And we may yet get to point and laugh as Boris and Raab (in particular) lose their seats.
Imagine if they *do* get a Tory majority, but Boris doesn't make it back...
@BrionneCranlei1@SweetlikeK@LeaveEUOfficial@RobertMadeley01 Has it occurred to you that democracy is a process and not a point in time. It's not democratic for a PM to force through a no-deal by using tricks.
Today hasn't removed our right to leave the EU, nor does it mean that we won't
Even the Govt claimed this wasn't about Brexit ffs
@SweetlikeK@BrionneCranlei1@LeaveEUOfficial@RobertMadeley01 Except they can't, because this is British law & nothing to do with EU law
So they've no route of appeal precisely because the EU doesn't encroach on our laws the way they want everyone to believe it does.
They get a demonstration of Parliamentary sovereignty and don't want it.
@LeaveEUOfficial I thought you wanted to leave the EU because Brussels took control from our parliament?
The court just confirmed (again) that Parliament should be in control, and that the executive must act within UK Law.
What the fuck are you complaining about?
@rogeruk49@SayNoToLabour10@Nigel_Farage Seems it's you that doesn't understand it. Do feel free to explain your understanding though, and I'm sure people will be happy to bring you up to scratch.
Your earlier comment suggests you may not understand the respective roles of Government and Parliament either
@jowilliams293@AndrewOrlowski Access to justice needs to be improved so that others can afford to take cases to this level, sure. But the people didn't determine Johnson's politics - the vast majority of the country had no say in him becoming PM.
We speak through our representatives, and he locked them out
@NickFitz That's my understanding too. Was expecting they'd probably find it was justiciable, and wrong, but not that they'd go the whole hog.
Fuck me, we just watched history being made
@IanDunt Thank fuck. It's not just me.
I was tinkering with URLs to see if I could get it to give me HLS to send to the Telly, and suddenly I couldn't even get the "not started yet" image
@BishopFromArk@schemaly@triketora Agreed completely, it was sort of my point.
It's not that they "mistook" her for a deer, so much as they saw movement and didn't check what they were shooting at at all.
That's someone who shouldn't have a firearm.
@cybergibbons It's very, very common. I've dealt with some of these types of places in the past.
There's also an Israeli company that does slot-machine live feeds. You place your bet and spin, and a real slot-machine gets triggered on live stream
@jamesrbuk In this case the guys weren't convicted which is prob why the court found the way they did. To me though, RTFB's addressing the issue from the wrong end - if people were anonymous until convicted, there'd be no call to expunge "old" articles in cases like this.
@BishopFromArk@schemaly@triketora I think the translation is actually "I shoot at the first sign of movement, and she moved. Deer move too"
Which is just fucking scary coming from someone holding a rifle
@iWasSaynBoourns And yeah, people seem to love an excuse to be rude. Seems like they award themselves bonus points if they can start with "uh.. excuuuse me"
@iWasSaynBoourns Yep, exactly, there's a strong urge to defend what you "know" is right, and that's laudable... until you're wrong.
I've been on the receiving end too, tho not in a while, and mines at least more visible than hers. Sucks. But part of me really identifies with the need to speak up
Also, they (or another spider) at one point were occasionally requesting "this.href" having presumably pulled it out of some javascript somewhere in the site...
I can't even start returning a link to this thread for paths I know they'll use, because then they'll come and index this and request the path of every tweet from my server.
They seem to reindex me at least once a week, presumably to see if all those broken URLs now work
So, thanks to over a decade of making sure I include references, I now get requests in for pretty much any path that's referenced in any external page I've linked to.
They're connecting via Tor, so I can't trivially try and track them down to give them a heads up
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They done screwed up.
They follow the link out, and pull out all the paths of all pages linked to by that page.
But rather than requesting those from Twitter, they use their original connection and request them against *my* site (inc. using the host header for my site)
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Someone's done (more or less) what's being discussed there - created a bot to crawl #onion sites. So, they hit my site via it's Onion address: https://6zdgh5a5e6zpchdz.onion/
Just like any other spider, they follow any external links on my pages (so long as there's no nofollow)
But
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So, reading this - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21046582 - made me think of a "fun" fact about my sites
My 404 rate recently rocketed. As in, _really_, skyward. Some log poking revealed the cause
I multi-home the majority of my sites on both www and tor. 1/
@iWasSaynBoourns I mean, the obvious answer is that if you are going to speak up, you shouldn't be an abusive arse about it. But that should be common sense, annoys me that it isn't.
@iWasSaynBoourns Yeah that doesn't help either.
I do kinda struggle with this one in some ways though. If it looks like someone's taking the piss, and you *don't* speak up then the person with the "obvious" issue suffers. But if you're wrong...
Only recently discovered @AlienWeaponry (to be fair, they *are* on the other side of the globe).
Fucking excellent. Everyone should listen to them. Especially when you're feeling pissed off
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn Not necessarily. Getting information from the Russians isn't on it's own collusion - there's more needed than that. Assuming you're trying to meet any legal bar, anyway.
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn I see where you're going with this. Not sure I agree with you, but I do see the angle.
Now, I know Trump has claimed the investigation was based on the dossier, whilst it (apparently wasn't), but these warrants predate that and relate to his time campaigning right?
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn But clearly you feel I've missed something - so what's likely to stop the dems controlling the house by July?
I mean, Pelosi could decide to go for whatever reason, but how do you see the dems losing control?
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn I'm well aware of the importance of the small stuff, but the US is like a bratty toddler at times, making a lot of noise about fuck all.
Frankly, we've got more important things to focus on - like Brexit and the EU than the US's attempts to shoot itself in the bollocks
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn Not in much detail mate, I'm British I couldn't give the first fuck about US domestic politics beyond the big stuff. Does make me wonder why you're so pro-Brexit.
Why, what have I missed that's possibly going to lead to them not having control of the house in July?
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn And again, it doesn't really matter what previous presidents did - why the fuck should we rely on that as a country? It's hardly the "raising up" that Brexit supporters want us to see as the outcome of Brexit - lowered to relying on backdoor dealing. Yeah, sure
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn All good questions & they need answering.
So why do you appear to be supporting a trade deal that would be pushed through the same mechanisms? Not better to learn from past mistakes?
Basically means that Trump & Boris are either full of shit, or willing to make those mistakes
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn "We" didn't. The US did.
What's your point? Why should we (the UK) be excited about signing up to a trade deal that Trump will somehow slide through the back-door? What would be the legal standing of it? How could we rely on it?
@ryankelleher85@newschambers@tnewtondunn Whatabouttery.
Why would we want to rely on a "deal" that isn't passed through their system properly? Could Trump cut congress out? Probably. Would it be wise to base our trade on that not being undone? Fuck no
The SUN is spewing propaganda again.
- Trump'd need to get it past Congress - if the GFA get's screwed then it won't pass.
- A deal doesn't mean an acceptable (to us) deal, WA is proof of that. Which industries get screwed?
- Trump's been known to walk away at the last minute https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1175934771614142464
@ledbydonkeys@derekjames150 Yeah, Johnson and my MP (Coffey) are my main wish-list. My constituency has been Tory since it was created, so it'd be nice to see that change - not sure it will.
@MissLauraMarcus@NargisWalker@JuliaHB1 They've changed their procedure recently (I *may* have been naughty-stepped).
They still make *you* take it down, but if someone browses to it they'll see a message from Twitter (for 14 days IIRC) saying it's been removed because it violated policy
@tubsturtle@drahcir_rahl So people should work for free?
There are a lot of people out there, it's true - but if a company values a role enough to recruit for it, then they should pay for it. No-one owes them their time.
@ledbydonkeys@Barker4Grimsby There is such a thing as Vehicle Excise Duty & and MOT requirements though.
Maybe he should respect our laws and pay for those on his car in the video before whinging about made up things?
Man turns up to complain about "british fish" in a car that's on the road illegally...
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Anyhow, it's been nice talking with you about this - always refreshing to have a Brexit conversation that doesn't descend into claims of treason etc - but work beckons.
@_grammar_@RealSexyCyborg Of a similar vein, what most don't understand is, yes China is on the internet, but it's like it's got it's *own* internet - vast but different. ISP IP allocations aren't like in the west. Video delivery often uses domestic default standards.
It's the net, but not as we know it
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn system, and (with a little bit more luck) start getting a new breed of MP. *Then* we might start seeing some improvements.
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Ultimately though, you don't deal with one threat by first doing away with the only effective protection you have.
Although... I will say this. The scale of fuck-up around Brexit appears to have seriously wounded both major parties. If we're lucky, we get away from the 2 party
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn 2 & 3 - Agreed, but having worked in IT security yourself, you'll know that part of risk-assessment is what's been observed & what's considered likely. Our Govt have been observed being loose with our rights, so (currently at least) pose a more realistic threat. That can change
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Yes, the government still monitors our comms, but that's not what Phorm was about. That was allowing a commerical company unprecedented access to act as a MiTM in order to better target ads. The gov at least pretends their access is about national security.
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@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn But then, I tend to think Govt power needs to be controlled. Trust the current lot if you want, but noone knows what a future govt will be like, they'll be able to use the powers, tech and precedent the govt makes available now.
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@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn was around the role of the EU in that future. I do think we're better off inside for other reasons too, not least bargaining power, but if there's one thing I think we'll really regret losing, it's that.
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@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn but ultimately, it's Phorm and similar examples which helped shape my decision. I used to work with a leaver-to-be who voted leaver bevause he wanted to remove the EU scapegoat so that MPs could be held to account. For the most part our only real difference in opinion 8/
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn We need to get far far better at it before we discard that safety net. If anything Boris' approach so far only reinforces that belief - but it's not just him, and Phorm is *far* from the only example
Now, obviously, having FoM is something I value & I have benefitted from it 7/
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn But it took the EU acting as a safety net to force action out of our duly elected Govt. It wasn't a small amount of pushback they'd received UK side either, and the law was against them.
How this fits in, is in our ability to hold the Govt to account. 6/
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Some complained to their MEPs, and ultimately Europe demanded additional info from the UK govt. Who... ignored them. After a bit more pressure it eventually came out.
BT did contravene RIPA (a UK act not a EU one) and had in fact asked the Govt after the first trial 5/
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Phorms system worked by intercepting and profiling your browsing behaviour in order to then inject 'relevant' ads. BT ran a trial of this without telling customers, on the basis that the govt told them permission had been implied.
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@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Hard to fit onto twitter without it being a long thread, so I'll try to keep it brief but bear with me.
The EU have, more than once, acted as a critical safety net between us and our own Government's idiocy. The one I'll use here dates back to Labour being in parliament 1/
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Ultimately, you have your reasons for supporting leave, just as I have mine for remain. Neither of us is likely to change our minds. Unfortunately, at the political level we're a long way past compromise too, so we're likely to wind up with one extreme or the other
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Which, looping all the way back to what this thread was originally about, is why Labour's approach is so flawed. Leave & Remain are insanely polarised now (weren't so much in 2016), and trying to appeal to both will likely just scare voters away to parties with clearer positions.
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn so it's ok for BXPs offering to include a leader who can't be deposed because I could not just vote for them, but the LDs offer isn't ok even though to enact it the majority of voters would need to vote for them?
If the country wants brexit, they won't get in, after all
@BorisJohnson@10DowningStreet Did you make it clear to your supporters that a small %age of their money will be spent saving luves overseas? Just, they don't seem to like that sort of thing
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Personally I think you're again scapegoating the EU for the actions (or lack of) of our own MPs - particularly but not just the Tories.
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn How do you figure? The worker may be within the tax alliwance, but the business employing them is still contributing to the economy and would be contributing far less without workers. As for before, do you actually know what our economic status was pre-EEC? Seems a poor argument
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Farage liked to talk about fishermen for a while, and how the EU screws them. But he was on the fisheries commission and turned up to just 2 in 40 meetings. Our vote hasn't counted for much because we've sent lazy buggers ;)
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Indeed it is, so I assume you aren't amongst those objecting to the LDs standing on a platform of revoking A50,on the basis that they'd need a democratic majority? As for euros it's hard to take complaints seriously when we've sent MEPs who deliberately do not participate
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn But, to get back to the NHS. We both agree it's underfunded. Now what happens to funding levels when fewer people are paying taxes? Bearing in mind that '350m' has now been promised/spent several times over.
You're scapegoating immigrants for Tory abuse of the NHS
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn You presume wrong. The idea that legal migration depreciates wages has been well-studied & doesn't appear to hold up particularly well. Particularly when factoring in that the jobs that low-skill immigrants tend to do are ones we won't. See many Brits dying to pick strawberries?
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn i.e. how you think these benefits are going to be realised. How will you or I be better off having deposed one 'unelected' head in favour of another.
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Doesn't really change my question though does it? You're saying we should leave because we'd be better off escaping this undemocratic setup. I'm asking how we're going to be better off with a uk party going a step further.
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn Odd, I've got family in the NHS, and "immigrants" doesn't come up as a problem. If those patients are working and paying their way, what's your issue?
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn While we're talking unelected positions, if I'm concerned about those, why would I support the Brexit Party? Farage and Tice cannot be deposed by their "membership". Sounds just as dangerous to me, and its men like that who hope to lead post-brexit
@zombie_buddha@tnewtondunn To be honest, having no-deal would probably be a more effective way to get a remain vote, but - crucially, they wouldn't be able to attract leave votes in a GE. They're trying to attract the leavers that Tory & BXP ignore: those who want CU/SM. Not sure it'll work out for them
@FKGPML@tnewtondunn Labour probably *are* a remain party, but the leadership isn't. They just lack the courage to come out and say it, leading to these weird arse backwards positions they keep taking. Leaver or remainer, labour's a bad choice IMO
@ClaretDonkey@Goodstar72@tnewtondunn That'd be terrible if any of it were actually true. The NHS suffers because of underfunding, without immigration itd be even more understaffed. EU are elected, and we have the ability to control immigration more than we do but *opted not to*.
@zombie_buddha@tnewtondunn negotiating a deal and then campaigning against actually makes more sense - it's a hat tip to leavers and says Labour will try and get them some of what they want, but will back remain.
Vote us in, then we'll tell you on the other hand...
@Jessica12uk@JolyonMaugham Yep. We were fortunate in that, for circumstances outside my control, I was home - on full pay - for 4months shortly after littlun was born, so we were both home to pitch in. Family helped out for quite some time after that because childcare was too pricey
@bogloid@MarinaHyde@TanyaGold1 Not just Twitter even, but many cases of public outrage. That's part of why misleading headlines are so dangerous - the article _may_ correct it, but most won't read it
@JackHaas14@BarristerSecret@davidallengreen Raab said something along those lines today too - refused to say they wouldn't prorogue again because he didn't want to weaken our negotiating position with the EU
@Jessica12uk@JolyonMaugham back to work.
I can't overly blame them for that either, I'd love to spend more time with family than at work. What I can blame though, is the system that makes it so it's a question - childcare should be subsidised to ensure that work actually pays
@Jessica12uk@JolyonMaugham i.e. how much would your or I pay to spend time with our kids when they'd otherwise be in childcare?
People often express it as a financial equation, but there's far more to it than that & I think that can be a strong driver in people who say the cost is why they're not going 2/
@Jessica12uk@JolyonMaugham Yes, this is true & the effect can be huge, even making some relationships unequal. But there are also considerations the other way too. How do you value that time with the kids instead of at work?
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@Jessica12uk@JolyonMaugham But as far as the maths goes they're partly right. If childcare cost is (say) 12K, and she earns 11K, then whether she pays all of it, or they split the cost as a couple, they're still down 1K at the end of it.
In reality, there's more than financials to it though
@Big_Headers@hepolytes@JolyonMaugham Ultimately the same maths being discussed in this thread kicked in though - much cheaper than nursery was, but still expensive enough to negate hours worked. So a compromise had to be made.
@Daedalus6@nicktolhurst@davidallengreen@MrHarryCole@JolyonMaugham Are you comparing it being featured in the argus 6 years ago, to the mail putting it directly under the snouts of an angry, pro-leave readership in the same week he's received death threats while the country is basically dysfunctional?
That's beyond dishonest
@IanColdwater As a UX design choice, that interstitial telling me some tweets are hidden is really jarring. Then, as you say, my attention is drawn straight to what you were hiding. It's like twitter were forced to implement it and thought "I'll show you"
@theryderathome@Greybea25852222@alassmith@mrjamesob Labour now seems to be more about the pursuit of "perfect", ignoring or even denouncing all views that aren't pure enough. That's not a way to attract voters, meaning none of those views (no matter how worthy) are likely to see implementation.
So "debating society" is quite apt
@theryderathome@Greybea25852222@alassmith@mrjamesob so either, you let perfect be the enemy of good, insisting that those who hold different views should go, and never achieve any of the stuff you want Labour to implement. Or you accept that there has to be some give and take.
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@theryderathome@Greybea25852222@alassmith@mrjamesob the various views and positions they hold are replicated in one form or another across the voting population. So you alienate potential labour voters when you castigate them.
You might not agree with them, but Labour needs to be in power to do the stuff *you* want them to 2/
@theryderathome@Greybea25852222@alassmith@mrjamesob And, there's your issue right there. Their views don't align with theirs, and rather than accepting that you need to find common ground (assuming you *want* Labour to attract voters) you say you want to be rid of them.
Those individuals might annoy you, but 1/
@theryderathome@Greybea25852222@alassmith@mrjamesob Or, you know, you could play nicely with others so we can get past the current crisis and then worry about your bigger aspirations later. Country before party and all that.
The Mail here, going straight in with intimidation tactics.
There's no public interest here, it's a vindictive thing to do, and can only be read as an attempt to try and intimidate an effective opponent of Brexit. https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1175379503402627077
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems Oh, you're more than welcome to be a bit peeved, that's quite justified.
But, it's unwise to take a position that if/when remain falls through it's because of Swinson (well, the LDs) alone. Labour's apparent in-fighting this weekend may well have reinforced doubts
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog At the moment though, *anything* a party does is a Brexit issue, because as we've both complained the next election is likely to be about Brexit and nothing but.
@jongibson335@mrjamesob FWIW I'm not saying you're wrong about Watson, just that the way they've gone about this is wrong, and very harmful to Labour's image. It makes it look as though the Labour leadership are as tricksy and willing to use novel approaches as Johnson is.
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog i.e. the very portion of the vote that we don't want to split.
There's still time to turn it around, but some days it really does feel like disaster is brewing
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog Yep, but that's also why things like the (now aborted) insane stuff with Tom Watson overnight are distinctly unhelpful. That's easily perceived as Labour telling moderates to piss-off to another party - those that don't like Corbyn but would consider voting for him to stop Brexit
@QuantumWrites@curu@davidallengreen > Sold by people that not only didn't understand what the EU does, but they didn't want to.
And, unbelievably, continue *not to* understand the topic at all. 3 years later, they're still campaigning against stuff that doesn't exist & proposing incomplete/unworkable "solutions"
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob Labour's position, recently was - we'll hold a 2nd ref, having negotiated a deal, and then we'll likely campaign for remain.
Now, I see the logic in that, as it caters to lexiters, but it's not exactly a clear message is it? In particular, it's very easy for the Tories to spin
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob Well, if they don't win a majority they're not really in a position to revoke are they? There's nothing ambiguous about that. They've even been clear and said they'd prefer a ref *before* a GE, and this is just their position if that can't be achieved.
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems > Watson isn't Labour
And there's your fundamentalism again. Feel free to define Labour & where he falls short.
As for the other parties, yes they have their own issues too. But this entire thread is about Labour, started because of some internal stuff, so yes, focusing on them
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob If that's the case, then you've communicated it poorly, given that 2 of us seem to have read it to be what you're saying.
Feel like restating your position clearly?
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob > arguing to revoke the referendum entirely (but only if they win a majority) is democratic and unambiguous?
Unless you're saying this wasn't in fact sarcasm?
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog Yep, I totally agree, and I wish the parties on the remain side would work *far better* together than they currently are. But that goes both ways, and neither side seems to be trying very hard atm.
My fear is that they'll realise their mistake far too late
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob Just to add - it's incredibly concerning btw, to see Corbyn supporters adopting the same loaded rhetoric as is currently being used by populists like Farage and Johnson.
No argument for your own position, just "it's undemocratic". You should be better than them
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog I agree, problem is, if we have a GE before a 2nd ref, it's going to revolve on a single issue. It shouldn't be that way, of course, but it's going to
I'd much prefer we have a ref, then a GE straight after (with parties campaigning on how they'll implement the result)
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob If you disagree with what the LD's are offering, don't vote for them. No-one's holding a gun to your head and saying you must vote for them.
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob A principle point in representative democracy is that a person/party can run offering *whatever they want* and the voting population then get to choose whether to put them in power. The idea that it's undemocratic "because referendum" is to mis-understand democracy
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob Yes, and we're going to have a new election very soon. You seem to take the position it's undemocractic for a party to say "we'll do A" because there was a vote to do B years ago. As he pointed out, that's not how democracy works, it's a process not a point in time
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog And, ultimately, we can kick them out after 4 years. We can't so easily reverse Brexit.
I'd prefer a 2nd ref, I think it's less divisive and more democratic. I just don't believe we're ever actually going to get it - things have polarised and it's going to be one of 2 extremes
@LaVallette@WillSmashBates@GuitarMoog The thing is, part of the success of Brexit Party is because they offer an unequivocally clear message. Something that voters hear, and they can easily decide if they're "for" or "against" that. No nuances, no buts.
I don't like that it's effective, but that's where we're at
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob And that's at all relevant to the next election, and how any party will do, how?
The LD's are doing extremely well in polls - whether that'll translate well to seats only the future knows, but the information we *do* have doesn't bode well for Labour
@oisinmusic@mrjamesob Yes, that's a good call by him.
It's also the only way he can really neutralise the issue - if he came out in favour of either side of this, it'd get spun against him
@oisinmusic@mrjamesob especially when we've got a PM who's trying to find "novel" ways to get around things, seeing the same things happen (albeit on a much smaller scale) within Labour just burns trust that the party is going to be wanting to cash in on soon
@oisinmusic@mrjamesob I think he tweeted earlier to note it looks like it was without Corbyn's knowledge, but yes today's definitely going to be interesting.
I agree, adjusting the rules to make him stand again would look far better than abolishing the post
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems Sorry, man up? You're the one who was complaining it's fundamentalist thinking to say that Labour's harming itself rather than it being Swinson's nasty nasty words.
Note you haven't explained what the fundamental truth in that is
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob Yeah, no. They're not a good fit. They _could_ have been (even should have), but that's just not how it turned out
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob It is unambiguous. It says "want it revoked? Vote for us, and if we win, it's done". If you don't want it revoked, then you don't vote for them.
If they don't get a majority, then they're not in a position to fulfil any of their manifesto promises are they?
@theryderathome@alassmith@mrjamesob > There will be a vote
By the NEC, correct? Not the membership that voted him in?
If so, that's no more democratic than Johnson becoming PM on the say so of just 90,000. There's a vote, but a vote on it's own doesn't make something democratic
@GrumpyUnclePet1@YungLambton@mrjamesob I guess it's a bit too late in the day for me to form a new "fuck the lot of 'em" party and find national support...
For a moment, just a fleeting moment, it seemed like there was some coherence amongst them. We should have treasured it more, because it's not coming back
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems But, as you mentioned "invective" I'd note that it was Labour, and not the Lib Dems who compared the other to the Taliban. Labour is not some innocent party in this.
Both sides are hurting us all, but Labour are currently hurting *themselves* at the same time
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems I disagree, but if you want to explain what the fundamental truth/position in that belief is, I'm happy to read it.
This Watson incident is just another nail in the coffin in many ways. Labour's position has been extremely haphazard (though, I know Watson's contributed to that)
@GrumpyUnclePet1@YungLambton@mrjamesob Yes, there's some weight in some of Momentum's complaints about the LD's being filled with Tories - if you ignore the fact the next GE is really going to be on a single issue. Would be nice to see the Tory elements diluted down to even the party out a bit.
@Bust3d00@Naughtynephew1@mrjamesob I was joking, in part - the words *I* use to describe the right-wing equivalent are unprintable. But, to be fair, I'm not much kinder to the more extreme left wing elements - it is those elements that come to mind (for me) when I hear "looney left". But that's just me
@oisinmusic@mrjamesob The optics of it, though, are awful. And to do it - potentially - weeks before a GE? That's a poor choice. The appearance of disarray/disillusion, not to mention overturning a democratically elected position is going to be exploited by the Tories and BXP during campaigning
@jongibson335@mrjamesob Wouldn't it have been better, then, to bring forward a vote on changing the rules surrounding how/when the post can be challenged? Maintain the semblance of party-unity at a critical time, when there's a GE on the way.
Was Watson speaking for Remain voices really so bad?
@Bust3d00@Naughtynephew1@mrjamesob That's because most of the adjectives used for the right wing equivalents tend to be less printable than the word "loony".
@theryderathome@alassmith@mrjamesob Removing a post containing someone who was democratically elected by the membership because they disagree with him, but can't oust him from the post.
Sure, "democratic process"...
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob As James pointed out earlier, this is a big "fuck you" to any moderates who viewed Labour as a broad church and were willing to lend their vote. It's Corbyn/Momentum's fundamental vision, or nothing.
Fuck that
@YungLambton@GrumpyUnclePet1@mrjamesob And so in order to respond to that, Labour seems to be willing to ignore democracy, by removing the post of deputy because they can't democratically oust him.
That won't go against them at all when the Tories are already claiming that Remain/2nd Ref is anti-democratic right?
@williamshuxley@mrjamesob True, but you can be angry at them pissing away options for *us* without needing to feel any particular sympathy for Tom Watson.
It's not Watson that this stupid, pointless infighting hurts most, it's anyone that wants a solid non-Tory, non-Brexit party majority next GE
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems Quite a good example of exactly the fundamentalist attitude people are complaining about. If Labour get hammered in the polls, it won't be because of Swinson's comments (not that I think she should have made them), but because of exactly this kind of thinking.
@OwlEssex@mrjamesob You don't back their world view so therefore must be a tory. What could possibly go wrong with a bunch of fundamentalists running a party...
@whoknowswhy70@CabbagePatchCat@mrjamesob@joswinson@LibDems Because this does so much to dissuade voters who are thinking of voting lib dem? At the moment Labour's like an asylum that's fallen to the inmates.
But sure, ignore that and blame the Lib Dems
@DarrenDulake4@mrjamesob True, but in reality, it's not just him - he's just the face of it. You've got momentum and his other followers too. They _probably_ are a minority but they're very vocal so liable to put people off even without JC
@srussell705@phillygirl Because the news was full of examples of Russia invading the US at the time you were doing those drills right? There's a massive difference between an indentifiable and far-away threat and "a stranger might come". Did everyone who did those drills feel the same detachment as you?
@iWasSaynBoourns You mean shuck them? Should be able to in most cases yeah, just like with spinning rust most just have a little USB<->SATA board inside
@aburone@Th3_D0c70R@blackroomsec IIRC there was a stat released in an article that said more adults died from eating tide pods than kids.
Which gave someone a "bright" idea
@Stephen13783673@RealSexyCyborg > Major hypocrisy
Especially when you think about their approach to copyright when the US was first becoming the US. In order to let their industry develop they decided it wasn't copyrighted unless it was copyrighted in the US, so ripped off loads of books etc.
So, not only did @BorisJohnson make the stupid move of throwing away his majority by kicking out people who voted against something, despite the his & ERG's own form in this regard, but he may well have done it incorrectly and have to take them back?
He's Fucking useless https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1174793037211455500
@TheAtlantic@b_judah Doesn't a conspiracy-theory, by definition, require there to be an absence of actual proof? Not sure that applies to @carolecadwalla's work, she's been rather thorough...
@Timeforsurgery@jessphillips Presumably that's you conceding that your comment was either
a) completely irrelevant to what was said
b) flat out wrong
You tried to be a smart-arse and failed miserably because you didn't parse what she said properly.
@ReaMon1815@GaviotaKev@nrogers959@JolyonMaugham because, for once, they've not been idiots and actually looked at the bigger picture. They've all been clear there will be a GE, once the possibility of him playing liar,liar with the election date is gone
@Timeforsurgery@jessphillips But she said
> Lots of my constituents, many of who may have voted leave have family in Ireland
How do you know the majority of Brum people with in Ireland voted Leave?
@Timeforsurgery@jessphillips You think the majority of her constituents in Brum have family in Ireland? They used to be the biggest minority, but were still only 4% of the population...
We've got an idiot as PM, and he's surrounded himself by other idiots. One of those has been in Spain threatening the EU without realising that the thing about us being a small Island, is that they can just sail around us to get to Ireland. https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/1174639693474017281
@AndrewHarbison1@LucaHelvetica@pmdfoster@LeoVaradkar@SteveBarclay Don't tell the Brexiters that, they'll go like Captain Mainwaring hearing about the Maginot Line
Mainwaring: They'll never get through the Maginot Line.
Wilson: Haven't you heard... They went around the side.
Mainwaring: That's a typical shabby Nazi trick!
@iWasSaynBoourns I know, I particularly liked the complaint that his own words were being used against him, at that the interviewer wouldn't answer questions
@hacks4pancakes@initinfosec@BadassBowden Yes, & the apparent acceptance by general industry that it's OK to set it up as the *only* option, rather than also supporting U2F and TOTP at the same time. At best, you get a dedicated app which does god knows what
We're building a nightmare somewhere down the road I suspect.
@BadassBowden With this tweet, you've actually just distracted me from coming here & and venting that UK Govt has rolled SMS based 2FA as the *only* option (well, sort of), rather than supporting U2F or TOTP as additional options. Better than nothing, but they can and should do better
@iWasSaynBoourns Man who no-one here's heard of says to journo *everyone* has heard of "you're trying to make a quick buck off the fact I'm popular and noone has heard of you"
@iWasSaynBoourns Oh god, you've got to correct that. Here's the first experience most in the UK, calling one of our most right-wing journo's a left wing activist - https://youtu.be/6VixqvOcK8E?t=808
He sounds like he breathes Helium instead of oxygen, especially at from that point when he's tantrumming
@drahcir_rahl@TheRegister Yeah, I wondered whether him not being in the loop was part of it too - particularly, as you say, as he could potentially have shot or otherwise injured them, not knowing it was an exercise.
The timings issue odd too - if it's 6am-6pm, what were they thinking going at midnight
@drahcir_rahl@TheRegister Yeah, particularly the
> I advised them that this building belonged to the taxpayers of Dallas county and the state had no authority to authorize a break-in
That sounds very much like "you're in my county, how dare the *state*". They ventured into his little empire...
@wardie2@johnleremainer@afneil Of the Government, not of Parliament. It's not law,it has all the weight of a political promise.
Therefore it's not legally binding. He's right, you're wrong.
Doesn't mean it should be easily discarded, but if we're talking legality, the promise was nothing.
@lukkylemec@ShaneSays3@mrjamesob I think a big part of the reason there's a debate around this, is that certain (right-wing) personalities have been using "why would he leave his child's side" to try and undermine his position and distract from the real stories - the NHS is fucked, and the PM is a lying toerag
@lukkylemec@ShaneSays3@mrjamesob Even if you're sat there raging that they nearly died, yet there was *no-one* about to help last night? I'd be pissed & if I saw someone coming in with press, I'd want to have my say about the state of it.
few mins away having a rant _could_ help avoid someone else waiting hours
@Dodgehk@mattholehouse@davidallengreen That's probably why there's a case in the Scottish Courts asking them to sign an extension request on his behalf if he won't.
Doesn't quite solve it on it's own, as there's other stuff that would need to happen - but thought has obviously been given to that eventuality
@JossoJohn@Fendweller@Otto_English She could even have used the BBC's odd "both sides" approach and put forward fantastical arguments against his claims.
Instead she gave arguments that attack the speaker - "He's a labour activist", and then sub-tweeted him, inviting brigading.
That's not journalism...
@OllyB1972@MikeHornby84@mrjamesob Bearing in mind she has a lot of followers, most of whom probably wouldn't search for him themselves. With her tweet, it's one click and they're there.
High-follower-count accounts need to put actual thought into what they amplify, even if this *was* actually innocent
@OllyB1972@MikeHornby84@mrjamesob Flip it on it's head - did she need to do that? Did it add anything? Or did it just expose a man already under pressure (sick kid) to direct interactions from a mob?
IMO the aim was to clumsily distract attention away from the PM.
@fjcruiserdxb@bbclaurak You'll be pleased to know the judges asked about that. They werecurious as to how parliament is to scrutinise the Government whilst prorogued. The answer was "they'll have to do it after the fact". Not overly convincing as an answer that
@RoseWorthesee@Cominagetcha@fitzstuart@bbclaurak Thats the argument the govts side has made, and not very convincingly. Timescales are tight and VoNC results in a relatively long timescale playing out. Also, this isn't strictly a question of confidence but of the powers of the executive vs Parliaments supervision
This isn't ok. This is a senior BBC journo trying to distract people away from what's actually happening, and targetting someone because they dared speak up when the opportunity arose.
@BBCNews do you have ethics standards? How do you justify this? https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1174318564397985793
So, he didn't mean the Pedo guy claim, didn't expect anyone else to believe it, but spent $50K digging into this guys past to try and prove it, and sent a journalist an off-the-record tip - essentially rumour spreading?
Sorry, Musk is full of shit
https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1569951
When it eventually leaks just *how* invasive and extensive this surveillance is, I suspect the new fashion is going to be face masks for a while
BBC News - Live facial recognition surveillance 'must stop' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49726101
@rtxtec@tezisold@10DowningStreet Number of murders is shown to increase where the death penalty is an option though, as those committing other capital crimes are more likely to tidy loose ends to avoid getting caught.
It's not quite as simple as it sounds
@Mythic_Beasts@123reg You can link directly to comments on el reg - it's linked at the timestamp: #c_3872232' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/all/2019/09/16/123reg_namesco_uk_domains/#c_3872232
@GlenRichmond5@KateLeah@tacticks@bodmansjaxs@acgrayling Because no Brexiter account has the words "I block FBPE" on their profile? Sure, blocking and lists is only on the remainer side, and there's no leave echo chamber.
We're on social media, echo chambers are a massive problem on both sides
@chrisponty@Dr_DerekScott@JamesMelville Someone I used to work with argued that we should build a new Parliament outside London, and build a set of barracks that the MPs would live out of.
It is hard to agree with the underlying principle in that, but I think you'd put off some otherwise good candidates
@nickreeves9876@kate_edmonds_EU@JamesMelville Not necessarily, some insurance providers get a bit funny about unpaid "work", so things like liability insurance then come into question.
It's not a simple question to answer, so better to have a small exemption and then punish abuses hard
@SeanWrightSec tshark -i eth0 -Y "ssl.handshake" -T fields -e ssl.handshake.extensions_server_name
Suggests it's being set correctly, might be worth checking against your attempt tho
@SeanWrightSec Ahhh, hang on, the answer may be in the title.
You said when you tested with s_client you had to use -servername to get the right certificate. The title suggests requests doesn't set the SNI name correctly/at all.
Let me test that
@SeanWrightSec It does support SANs yes.
I wasn't actually sure, but just tested against a name that only exists in the SANs and it worked fine
>>> r = requests.get("https://" + domain + "/")
>>> print(r)
<Response [403]>
@SeanWrightSec Yes, being able to login is near useless if everything else has CSRF protections. It's too often the other way round though - so if you already have a valid session (i.e. no need to login), it's possible to hit config pages and make changes silently.
@SeanWrightSec to get to things I couldn't normally access (like your router's login page or stuff over your corporate VPN etc).
I used to make legitimate use of CSRF in a password manager - meant I had a link I could click to automatically be logged in. Utility of that is both great & scary
@SeanWrightSec I can still try a limited amount of credential stuffing, by embedding various cred combi's and using JS events and the like to see if any are successful.
Basically, the answer to your question is that CSRF vulns allow me to use you as a pivot 3/
@SeanWrightSec logged in - the bit I care about here being that your browser now has a valid session to the router. So then I can start to embed URL's that execute commands on the router router.home/enable_wan_access or whatever.
Now, if you *don't* have a current session/remember me 2/
@SeanWrightSec Only if I can access that page directly *and* I know the creds.
If you visit my site iamevil.invalid and I embed an image/iframe with url router.home/login then your browser goes to that. If you've an active session on it (or a remember me cookie) then you'll end up 1/
Your boss ran away, the day after likening himself to the incredible hulk, and after a concerted campaign of calling Corbyn chicken.
No lie you tell today can change that, so maybe just have a quiet beer instead https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/1173608259032440833
@lainey_rainy@Checkl_123@martin_sok@TheHackersNews Yeah I think the Op on the mailthread only tested on Android, reading between the lines.
Yeah, I don't see it being anywhere near a priority for Whatsapp, if anything it's refreshing they've actually been upfront & said "nah" rather than sending it to rot in a ticketing system
@biscuitsgod@tnewtondunn He obviously figured he'd threaten to leave and just before he did they'd change his mind. Sneaky fucks got wind though and called his bluff so he had to go through with it.
Seems he only has one negotiating position
@rik_ferguson Same here, wouldn't even cross my mind "oh, I don't want to be left alone with her... what if". Although, to be fair, my wife used to be my co-worker, but then she got promoted above me, so we weren't always strictly equals
@iWasSaynBoourns Good for you. Shouldn't need doing though, particularly as a lot of people wouldn't feel comfortable doing it. What is it with people's need to crowd others? If we're in a queue, you're no closer to the front time wise pressed against someones back than half a pace back
@iWasSaynBoourns aware of people are in relation to me. There's no need for the majority of the proximity, even before they start feeling at liberty to lay hands on a stranger. None of us need a bubble around us, just a respectful distance
@iWasSaynBoourns Somewhere there's probably some advice being given that being tactile helps build a rapport. Even if you assume the best intentions, some people are *way* too touchy feely around strangers. I've got a buggered knee, and knocking me can cause a lot of pain, so I tend to be very 1/
@identit16605529@JamesRiley18@Moragbackto60@Crashed7@sturdyAlex@suey2y That's kind of how I feel. I wouldn't have liked CU/SM but it would have been an acceptable compromise. The middle ground's been well and truly salted though, so we're left fostering stuff that grows in the extremes
@HannahAlOthman Perhaps it's the noise he doesn't like? What happened to the crowdfunder to constantly play saxophone badly outside No-10? Might be more effective than expected
@iWasSaynBoourns I get pissed when a stranger just interrupts my thought process with "cheer up" or "it might never happen", or comments about my hair.
Luckily, don't have to deal with strangers touching me (WTaF? are they thinking). Least not any more, younger me grabbed occasionally
@Mythic_Beasts@nahosting Oh, I know you guys do :)
I was completely dumbfounded when I found 123 didn't... Spent quite a lot of time assuming I was just in the wrong view, but... no.
@nahosting Probably not, I've been moving over to @Mythic_Beasts & am quite happy with them. It's only the few names remaining at 123-reg now.
Question tho: Does your DNS allow users to delegate a zone out (i.e. create NS's for a label), if so you're better than 123 straight off the bat ;)
@bridportshakesp@Oliver_Letwin@sturdyAlex At least yours has represented you I guess. Mine's just stepped into Amber Rudd's shoes.
I've always said, at local scale she's pretty good, but she's a disaster at national scale. Not once has she voted against the party line - even now.
@JamesRiley18@identit16605529@Moragbackto60@Crashed7@sturdyAlex@suey2y far more care than it actually got - hence the mocking it received. It's easy for others to portray as muddled. LD's position is unequivocal so doesn't suffer that. As someone else pointed out, it also helps Labour by making a 2nd ref the "moderate" position.
@JamesRiley18@identit16605529@Moragbackto60@Crashed7@sturdyAlex@suey2y > Theresa May’s red lines
Couldn't agree more, and for all the people shouting "un-democratic" on the Brexit side, they tend to ignore the fact we got no say in these lines. Labour's approach makes sense, but the optics are so very, very bad. The way it was presented needed 1/
@123regHelp@123reg@naemsco@Nominet@TheRegister At the time of activation the domains were free of charge, why are you auto-renewing *any* of them rather than sending advance notifications instead?
I have one showing as expiring in Oct, currently set not to renew. I can be sure that's not going to change?
@bridportshakesp@Oliver_Letwin@sturdyAlex If it turns out they are still liars, we can vote them out in a few years. Can't undo Brexit quite so easily.
I'm thoroughly pissed off with Corbyn anyway, and SNP's not an option down here, so I'll be holding my nose and voting LD
But, I'm in a Tory safe seat... so...
@Dgmlinc1@sturdyAlex Taking your argument though, when the maj. of the country voted for parties who's manifest said they'd avoid no-deal, how's it fair that we're still at risk of being taken out ND?
Personally, I'd rather a 2nd referendum instead, but the brexiters have tried to make that poison
@suey2y@markcduffell@Crashed7@sturdyAlex I think everyone, including the LibDems agrees that a single issue vote - a referendum - would be vastly preferable to a GE. That's why they back a referendum if it's possible to do so before a GE, but will have a clear message in a GE.
Seems the most logical approach tbh
@Crashed7@AmblingJohn@sturdyAlex@suey2y On ignoring half the population, we're now so polarised I don't think there's an option that doesn't ignore a significant %age. Labour's triangulation approach has failed and hurt them nastily in Euros and Locals. Tories & BXP ignore >= 50%.
There isn't a clean answer IMO
@Crashed7@AmblingJohn@sturdyAlex@suey2y You can, sort of. Parliament can still overrule it (sovereign... duh), but the difference is in the wording in the enabling act - it needs to make it clear the intention is for it to be binding. MPs were given leaflets saying it'd be advisory & the wording isn't there *shrug*
@JamesRiley18@identit16605529@Moragbackto60@Crashed7@sturdyAlex@suey2y > Bringing the country back together
Can you name a party you think is going to achieve that in the short term? Brexit Party aint it, Tories under Boris.
I'm not convinced Labour's the one either. None of those are going to stop the deabte/arguments post-brexit/revocation
@Mythic_Beasts Oh fuck no.
Be curious to see the methodology for their survey though, how do you accurately survey traffic that *by definition* exists on loopback only? It's not like advertising 1.2.3.4 briefly and seeing what comes in
So, @borisjohnson is going to go to the EU, tell them he's going to break UK law & then expects them to negotiate in good faith with him, just after he's signalled he doesn't respect the rule of law?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49709430
@blackroomsec though different strokes for different folks, I've no expectations that anyone (let alone everyone) should feel comfortable taking that approach vs blocking. I don't even think blocking is the wrong way, it's just not the right way for me.
@blackroomsec Always thought that while blocking gives *you* a respite, it's only really hiding the problem. A dedicated harasser sits there still tweeting about you, its just not in your notifications any more
Some might ask where the harm in that is, but like you, I prefer to hit it head on
@blackroomsec Also, genuinely chuckling that you effectively amplified in order to tweet a complaint about being moaned at for amplifying. That's a straight-up fuck-you attitude 👍
@blackroomsec I mean, amplification *can* be a problem when abused. But it doesn't logically follow that all amplification is problematic, especially when you're not the one slinging bullshit about.
There are times to be the bigger person, but tolerating intolerance allows it to thrive
@sneezysnooze I've noticed that some I've replied to are particularly bad at replying to things which require the context of tweets that came slightly earlier in that same thread. Suggests at least some of this "outrage" is manufactured and originates from a setup more akin to a call-centre
@HelenHu72755540@jonjo_6969@tnewtondunn@JPonpolitics I don't want to bore you with a long thread detailing them, so I'll give 2 examples that you can google if you decide you want to. There's the secret Phorm trials (Labour govt), and the govts approach to prescribed medicine being transported in the schengen area.
@HelenHu72755540@jonjo_6969@tnewtondunn@JPonpolitics No, I agree we're unlikely to change each other's minds. But, to answer your question - there have been instances where the UK govt have ignored the law, to the detriment of citizens, and it's taken the EU saying "Oi" to get things sorted. That's Labour & Tory govts btw
@MRKCHALONER@RNLI@lautowns That's fine. You still didn't need to pop up and slag off someone who's decided they are going to donate. That's the act of a prick, not of someone charitable
@PeterWalker59@FahAunty@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes So let the kids drown because the adults in that country set/follow some oppressive rules? That's what your aegument boils down to. The kids don't get a say. In an ideal world, that oppression wouldn't exist, but unless you're suggesting we let them all drown until they change?
@iWasSaynBoourns I periodically remember about HB and go look, I don't think there have been many I've bought that haven't been luck rather than me remembering to check.
More free resources would always be good though time's always the real challenge :(
@chrimpsy@Cyber_Cox@malanalysis > turning off last seen and read receipts *everywhere*
That tends to be my advice even without a threat - you gain nothing of value from them being on & if a threat does arise you're feeding them info from the outset.
Basically, thats a long way of saying couldn't agree more
@MRKCHALONER@RNLI@lautowns And you felt the need to express that by popping up and critiquing someone because they decided to donate? What a big big generous man you are...
@donttelllies_@HughesJaques@TrippyPip@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes I think so too, he's obviously not looked hard enough. Particularly as he's jumped straight to FBPE as a conclusion.
Must be fairly soft if he thought that was an attempt to intimidate though. Certainly wouldn't do well at sea... all the same, block n move on
@HelenHu72755540@jonjo_6969@tnewtondunn@JPonpolitics Let me turn your question on its head, helps explain my position a bit too. Do you trust Boris & co to do the best for Britain following no-deal? Factoring in both incompetence and greed, I think we're going to be objectively worse off. The EU isn't perfect, but its a safety net
@PeterWalker59@FahAunty@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes Burkinis do save lives if wearing one is the only way a child will be allowed to learn to swim. It's not a hard thing to grasp. Doesn't mean they agree with Burkini's, they're prioritising saving lives as they should be
@Yotboyo@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes Please detail how much your regular donation was, I'm sure someone with a conscience will happily take over sending that amount for you
@MRKCHALONER@RNLI@lautowns You really are a miserable fuck stain aren't you? She's donating, what are you doing for the world except spewing poison? Do the world a favour and go mutter about commies and 'PC' somewhere else
@HughesJaques@donttelllies_@TrippyPip@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes I note you've got the Brexit vanity tag in your name. Want Britain to be a world leader in our post-Brexit world? This is a prime fucking example of the expertise we can "lead the way" with.
@HughesJaques@donttelllies_@TrippyPip@RNLI@MailOnline@thetimes And they are not taking any men out of boats. Can you read? Or has the mention of foreign incensed you to the point of being unable to comprehend.
I've donated to RNLI quite a lot, and I'm perfectly happy with them savings lives in this manner. Take your faux outrage and bog off
@PaulGWesson@LeftyBanker@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry But, sure blame Parliament for the fact the executive has taken away their ability to represent you by all means. Remains to be seen if it's legal, but politically it is as foul as fuck, and sets a nasty precedent. If he did re-prorogue? Even worse
@PaulGWesson@LeftyBanker@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry Because cancelling the recess would make no difference at that point? The decision had already been made to prorogue and the dates announced. "We won't take a break when we're already on break", bit pointless wouldn't you say?
@blackroomsec The really sad thing is, it's so clear you're not making these up and have received messages fittimg that MO. Even sadder is I've seen other peoples replies which fit so nicely into these boxes.
Don't *think* I've fallen into any myself. Least I really fucking hope not...
So there are now 2 parties with clear unequivocal policies - Brexit Party and Lib Dems, whilst the 2 main parties fluster and fudge about.
BBC News - Lib Dems pledge to cancel Brexit if they win general election https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49706643
@markrowantree@chrissieA2@AdamWagner1 At the moment, who the hell would ypu trust to write it? We already know we're shit at referendums, so getting people to vote on the draft is a challenge in itself
@HelenHu72755540@jonjo_6969@tnewtondunn@JPonpolitics Why would *Steve Barclay* lie to try and get these mythical Lisbon Treaty changes to kick in? He's a brexit nut.
Btw, if you don't trust MPs or the EU, read the treaty. There's no magical change coming, it's lies spread to sow distrust - a classic psyops tactic
@10DowningStreet Has Boris managed to remember which number hes going to claim we'll save per week this time?
Thanks for putting back some of the stuff the Tories have systematically stripped though. If you could also return the rest and tell fewer porkies?
@knoweuro@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry So while I think the prorogue was wrong and a worrying sign of where we could be headed, I also think something good may come of it as it's galvanised the opposition
@knoweuro@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry I agree there's a risk they're being short-sighted here, though there is a significant time pressure for parties that want to offer something that requires us not to have left yet. Additional time pressure was added by the prorogue. Without that, I think they'd be arguing still
@PaulGWesson@LeftyBanker@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry They couldve voted not to recess, and the signs were that it was going to *at least* be shortened. That option was removed from them though. The idea this is just about 4 days is Cummings originated spin.
@knoweuro@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry Most Brexiters opposed the WA - more of them opposed it than the 'rebels' who were kicked out. If you believe its really just 4 days you've been misled. Parliament could have voted not to recess, they get no say in prorogue. *If* they do re-prorogue, how does it affect your view?
Reminder: It's none of their fucking business Richard. Were you one of the whingers when Obama dared comment? What about when the EU comment? Whether Brexit happens is up to us, and it's far from a settled matter https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1173220846195892224
@CatherallDaniel@GeorgePeretzQC They're sick and tired of experts though, so rather than a proper psychiatrist they'd just get the assessment done by a casualty actor who'll give them a clean bill of health as instructed
@knoweuro@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry they don't trust Johnson/Cummings not to switch dates to force No-Deal. Given the lies he's been caught telling so far, and the constitutional novelties being employed, can you really blame them? I'm sure we'll get our GE soon enough, though it won't be on his terms
@knoweuro@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry Is this case not about ensuring Parliament gets opportunity to "get a grip". How's it to do that if Johnson (re)suspends Parliament and they're not sitting?
The point is, you can be right without it meaning this case is wrong. The reasons for refusing GE have been made clear btw
@PaulGWesson@LeftyBanker@JolyonMaugham@joannaccherry So you *want* your MP to not be allowed to represent your view? Or pushfor improvements to your life in general?
That's a pretty flawed approach to democracy. My MP's very leavey and I'm still incensed that she's been silenced.
@Starcourse@lewis_goodall Possibly. I suspect they feel there's some political gain they feel they can milk from him being perceived as having ignored it, even if technically he's really worked around (or even complied with) it. The choice of word is probably chosen as likely to work well with his base
@Starcourse@lewis_goodall Quite right too.
Only thing is, this one *is* an Act of Parliament, and therefore is the law. It's received Royal Assent and is now the law of the land.
So he needs to abide by it right?
@Brexit__Greg@NESAmstradPlayr@JoustingJim@lewis_goodall If you were an adult you'd recognise the importance of discourse in a democracy. Only idiots & dictators deal in absolutes
Most adults would probably also recognise that someone relying on catchphrases ("project fear") whilst talking in absolutes is probably trying to play them
@JennyLeeKendall@SkyNews@adamboultonSKY Either way though, it'll probably be a while before we get back to proper business, as there'll be the fallout to deal with after whatever happens, happens. I suspect that at least half the country is going to be severely pissed off either way.
@JennyLeeKendall@SkyNews@adamboultonSKY The Tories are probably pretty fucked tho. If you support ND, why would you vote for Boris rather than BXP? If you don't support ND, why would you risk voting Boris? Labour have a similar, if slightly-less polarised issue too, though they've been clarifying their position a bit
@JennyLeeKendall@SkyNews@adamboultonSKY There *will* be plenty that don't make it back - on both sides of the debate. The most likely outcome at the moment, is that we get another hung parliament, and more of the same endless shit. Votes for both Leave & Remain are split across parties
@Lozpoedia@JolyonMaugham Yes, but that's better than a bunch of elected MEPs deciding on rules that nations then have a choice about implementing.
Somehow... but... but EU army *blather*
@norbert1066@suecresswell01@BorisJohnson ^ This is something I wouldn't mind seeing proper polling on. I get why some back no-deal (though I disagree). What I don't get is why *anyone* would trust something they considered so important to Boris and his cabinet of liars & cretins. What %age back Boris & back no-deal?
@JennyLeeKendall@SkyNews@adamboultonSKY Just a GE is unlikely to change the parliamentary arithmetic much, so we'll end up back here. Have a 2nd ref, followed by a GE where the parties campaign on *how* they'll implement. Not perfect, but reduces the issue
@blackroomsec@bl4ckc1ph3rs3c > I was toxic for defending myself.
I know this case is different, but thats a common MO for abusers - it's the victim's fault for x. Casual acceptance of that rather than critical thought is how others around let them get away with it.
Sometimes we really suck as a species
@flurry62@HeelyBarker@KateWilton1@prydwen3 So having invoked Nazi germany you're saying you're willing to fall into the same trap as some of the Germans did? Never mind their other policies eh, the baby barbecue party promised to give us Brexit
@flurry62@HeelyBarker@KateWilton1@prydwen3 So you're basing your argument on a made-up lie circulatedby nutters? Please explain why, if Russia did kick off, British forces wouldn't be sent even without a mythical EU army? Note too that many of those who tell those lies support conscription in the form of national service
@flurry62@HeelyBarker@KateWilton1@prydwen3 We're not there yet, but we're a damn sight closer than the EU as a whole, than Germany is now, or really any EU member. That's not just Johnson/Farage of course, our Government has been granting itself unprecedented power for some time, but it's where we're at
@flurry62@HeelyBarker@KateWilton1@prydwen3 Quite a few people *are* watching this space, the UK, and getting quite worried at some of the similarities in approach. OK, you support Brexit, but that aside do you support Johnson's tactics? What about Farage's non-brexit policies? What about politicians lying fluently?
@damocrat They seem to take particular exception to that word. What I found frustrating is how one-sided they're appeals process is, I still say the rule they jailed for me for doesn't apply - https://www.bentasker.co.uk/blog/opinion/478-twitter-jail-my-memoirs - but you get no feedback at all except "appeal denied"
@RobinShipston@davidallengreen Yes, as well as occasionally taking a common view and then treating the extreme view as equal. I swear if they had an interview about leg bruises, certain shows would have 2 people on there arguing, unchallenged, that we should all be amputees to avoid bruising our shins
And, with time, the impact legal streaming services have had on piracy will start to diminish again - the markets becoming fragmented, and overpriced, because they're recreating the US Cable model.
Then they'll blame piracy for lost profits and insist something must be done https://twitter.com/AndrewYee2/status/1172787568154423296
@RobinShipston@davidallengreen I mean, that's part of it, but the media needs to carry it's part of the blame too. The job of an interviewer is to hold the politician to account, yet how often are we seeing Farage given a platform with no challenge to blatant lies?
@manctofu@davidallengreen@the3million Yep exactly that, given the "importance" of a binding referendum, but presented to MPs as non-binding (remember those leaflets?) and implemented as such.
The arrogant ballbag only made those promises because he was sure he'd win
@PhillWatson1970@DanielJHannan Not _even_ 35% of the people who voted. That's 35% of *Leavers* within the sample. 26% of those who voted.
Assuming the sample is representative, of course.
@InfoSecHotSpot > Installed encryption hardware in some of these overseas places in violation of the law
Ouch. Bearing in mind the limited range of places that's an issue under US law, very ouch
@Profiessor@GuitarMoog@IanDunt Yep, you really really miss it. I _still_ miss smoking. I know stopping was good, but advice like "you'll be happy you stopped" rings hollow.
@GuitarMoog@Profiessor@IanDunt Every time (yeah I know) I've given up in the past, the success has come because of this - giving myself the choice. Always having some baccy and rizla on me, then later in the car glovebox.
Same when I switched to vaping, pouch was nearby, then in the car, then garage
@mcardle_bob@Knightcider@IanDunt That's how percentages work, but not how vape juice works - you tend to do the conversion on a per mL basis. To convert from mg/mL to %age you multiply mg by 10: 5% x 10 50mg/mL.
I just remember that 2.5%NBV is 25mg/mL and work from that though tbh
Not the first time I've said this, won't be the last.
SystemD can fuck the fuck off.
In this case it's - https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/1741
The workaround?
> Remove the line from /etc/fstab and mount it manually (or use a startup cronjob script).
FFS, fix your shit
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Either of which will be wrong if forced through unilaterally by the Govt or Parliament. Seeking confirmation is the least divisive option, even if not perfect.
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Oh I agree. Personally I think we should have a 2nd ref and then a GE (so parties can campaign on *how* they'll implement that result).
I know you'd prefer no-deal, and will shout about the last ref, but that's part of the stalemate. The most extreme option increases resistance
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics That's also not how referendums work in a parliamentary democracy, but there's not much point us getting into arguing about constitutional instruments
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Well, we know there aren't 17.4m anymore - #RemainerNow is a thing. We don't know the rate of attrition though (in either direction).
As I said, I guess we'll find out in the near future. TBH though, I find leavers who back Farage more credible than those who back Boris.
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Note that the opposition have all said they want a GE too, just not one that gives Boris opportunity to change the date and force a no-deal before/during the election.
Hell, if he hadn't prorogued, it's likely the bill wouldn't have passed yet. He forced hands
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Have you actually followed him? He's heavy on aims & extremely light on detail. He's also a proven & repeated liar.
I'm not judging him solely on his time as PM, as you say the cards are not in his favour there, so that'd be unfair. Hard to excuse the rest of his life so lightly
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Do I think 90,000 people in a party that's primarily right-wing and has suffered from entryism in recent years (something https://leave.eu/ have proudly attested to) is representative of the 65m people in this country?
No, you're right, I don't.
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics i.e. that they'd vote for leave again knowing no-deal is the outcome.
But, I guess, one way or another, we're probably going to find out on that one in the near future. If you're right about the country wanting no-deal, I just hope its someone more competent than Boris in charge
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics > why do you think Boris was elected on a no deal ticket
Because only a tiny, tiny portion of the country had any say in that? As for polls, we know how reliable those are around Brexit.
The fact leave includes no-deal doesn't mean those who voted leave *support* no-deal
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics "purest". I think you mean most risky and potentially most damaging. There's nothing "Pure" about a type of brexit that more than 1/2 the country didn't support during the referendum.
You understand Govt works with consent of Parliament, not the other way round right?
@CamembertMark@nickreeves9876@BBCPolitics Parliament sets the law, them seeking to overturn something is rather different to an MEP trying to say the judicial system is untrustworthy (suggesting we should perhaps just disregard them).
@DalbidEU@Peterflyfisher@alisonkatebr@MrHickmott Yep, tend to reply to uninformed bollocks like that anyway - not for the benefit of the bot, but so that anyone else reading it sees it for exactly what it is
@Peterflyfisher@DalbidEU@alisonkatebr@MrHickmott Because we don't have our own sometimes violent mentally ill people already? What's your complaint, that FoM somehow means we're having to deal with mentally ill people? Or is it just that he's foreign that you don't like?
@borisjohnson says the high court agrees he didn't lie. That's a lie in itself.
The High court said that it was a political issue, not a legal one. They did not say that his pants are not.. infact... on fire
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49674516
@MikeGreeneTBP@emilyhewertson I think whether you're Leave or Remain, the Tories are well past the point where're they're putting their party at risk for a long time.
Roughly half the country on either side isn't going to forget or forgive this time. And depending on the outcome, that percentage will grow
Maybe ask them at the same time about their collection of data on the Facebook page for PM lies^H^H^H^Hspeaks to the people. No privacy statement displayed there, as required by GDPR https://twitter.com/ICOnews/status/1172085036012711936
@AEHALL1983@HannahB4LiviMP@carolecadwalla@Conservatives You mean other than violating copyright law, by distributing without permission, and creating a derivative work without permission?
No, nothing at all apart from that
@AlecMuffett@0xEnder Just as a side note - how the fuck does mozilla think any DoH provider is going to fulfil those requirements for ECS? At least without a whitelist. Result is going to be no-ECS and we'll be back to dodgy performance from non-anycast (read non-cloudflare) CDNs
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks Not that it really matters, because if push comes to shove, they'd almost certainly work with Farage to stay in power.
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks Again, the balance of probabilities, taking everything we know about the Tories stance, it seems quite likely that there was.
If they were going to make shit up in this area, there's much better things to lie about.
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks and as I said, if it were *you* making that statement, would you want your name anywhere near it? If nothing else, you don't want to be scape-goated if Boris does pull a U-turn
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks All the more likely given that Farage has said that he'll only work with if Boris goes No-Deal, and Boris's public position is that he wants to get a deal.
All these suggest that the quote itself is *probably* accurate. The only thing really saying otherwise is the anonymity
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks Do feel free to clarify the point if you feel I've missed it, but it rather seems that your point was to try and claim anything with an anonymous source is false.
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks No, to be fair to the journalist you're claiming is full of shit. In fact, to be fair to all the journo's you claim are full of shit because a source wants to stay anonymous.
Did you read the rest, or did you really take issue 3 words in and stop reading?
@AtheistMayhem@SamCoatesSky@Arron_banks To be fair, if you were working for them, would you let them publish your name? It's not like the grief would stop when you left your job is it?
@LusbyNigel@solamiga@mmacartney2@IainDale@trim52@LBC And the point is that the UK may very well not continue to function "fine" if the wrong things are overlooked, or screwed up.
Otherwise there'd be no need for any planning, would there?
@LusbyNigel@solamiga@mmacartney2@IainDale@trim52@LBC You've a development background. Think about how often "should take 10 mins" turns into a project in it's own right because someone's improperly specced requirements, failed to spot various issues etc.
That's no-deal Brexit, there's shit in the woodwork waiting to come out
@LusbyNigel@solamiga@mmacartney2@IainDale@trim52@LBC Apologies for assuming you were just like the others in your knowledge of Y2K - I'm sure looking around you can see why that's the default assumption though.
On no-deal, I think you're vastly underestimating the complexity here. A global impact isn't required to be complex
@billybudd23@SchteveH@JinjaJake@bmay And then would burn their hand taking out the hot, switched on bulb because they'd voted to say it was broken and must be removed, new evidence be damned
@mmacartney2@LusbyNigel@solamiga@IainDale@trim52@LBC They're all such bell-ends, it gets me every time.
Credit where it's due though, he has at least acknowledged that there was load of prep for Y2K. Even if he hasn't realised it's that prep that avoided issues - the same prep we haven't done properly for no-deal
There's a lot of music I like, and I tend to have it on in the background, but if @windroseband's "Diggy Diggy Hole" comes on, I'm stopping everything to sing along.
Same for @alestormband's "fucked with an anchor".
One just came on after the other in my playlist...
@DavidSoulsby11@TwoShep > Especially as it has royal agreement.
The challenge isn't against the queen's decision (you can't challenge that IIRC), but about whether the Prime Minister's advice to the queen was constitutionally correct.
An action can be unrestricted in law, but still not constitutional
@Panda_Jer@RubberDaveTv What comes first though?
If dates are written 9/10/19 and you read that out, you're going to say September 10th because that's the order it's on the paper and you read LTR.
So is it written like that because you say it, or do you say it because it's written like that?
@WalkBikeNow@Cunningham_UK@obinkhorst@pensionmonkey It's the only date you use that we consistently read and actually understand correctly.
Unless the DD is > 12, I just assume you're really early, or missed the deadline most of the time. If it's important, then I'm going to make you write "September" so there's no confusion
@Cunningham_UK@MyStupidTown@obinkhorst@pensionmonkey Google Sheets is particularly bad at handling non-US date formats. It claims to support *cough* proper formats, but will periodically lose it's shit.
It *does* handle ISO-8601 though
@DonaldFReynolds@Cunningham_UK@obinkhorst@pensionmonkey I'm not sure I buy that argument either. How often do you not know what month it is, versus which day of the month it is?
I will occasionally forget both, but I don't think I've ever gone "it's currently the 3rd, but of which month...."
@Trickyjabs TBH, what I need to hear isn't "you won't pay any more tax", or even "you'll pay less" so much as "we'll stop wasting the tax you're sending on brexit willy waving", which hasn't been forthcoming from the Tories or Labour.
Equifax:
- loses control of data that people had no say in them holding.
- Agrees to pay $31m which isn't enough to pay settlements to all the affected
- Demands you give them *more* data to receive the settlement
FTC:
This is fine.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/09/09/equifax_breach_fine/
There's a very good chance I'm going to be bugging you about your practices through other channels.
It's disappointing, because a few years ago, you were one of the only banks I couldn't criticise too heavily for your apps approach: https://www.bentasker.co.uk/blog/security/315-the-state-of-mobile-banking
@NatWest_Help I know @mandville has sent you guys a communication about this, and I really hope you're going to take it seriously. As a customer of yours I have very serious concerns myself - for whats happened to have happened is completely unacceptable.
Shit security practices are, unfortunately, extremely common in the consumer banking industry - they tend to be very conservative about abandoning outdated practices - but this doesn't actually seem to be an example of that, so much as a blind "more must be better" approach.
In fact, their approach is so poor, I _suspect_ I could probably isolate from their natwest held money by exploiting Natwest's "shit, block everything" mentality of overreaction.
People want security from their bank, not overbearing theatre.
Imagine getting completely locked out of your accounts, for no reason. And by the bank, no less, who used to use the USP that in an emergency you could phone up and arrange emergency access to funds.
Someone's been feeding Natwest extremely poor security practice.
Christ, just got the full background on this. The level of incompetence is absolutely fucking staggering.
I'm going to stop using @Natwest_Help.
My advice to anyone else, is do the same now. There are screw ups and then there's fundamental systematic failings like this https://twitter.com/mandville/status/1170112969142951936
@mandville@NatWest_Help Being put in a position of being isolated from the main account, @mandville is now in a more vulnerable position and therefore - statistically - more at risk of falling for scams which might appear to give access to some funds in a time of need.
@mandville@NatWest_Help When you've sent someone the wrong *type* of card. The correct procedure is not to block that card. Arrange to have the new card sent out to the customer - the old one is in their possession and so is secured.
If you send a card to the *wrong* customer, or its lost, then block
@mandville@NatWest_Help I'll start you off with a free sample. You know how you've recently switched to requiring SMS 2FA to log into online banking? SMS based 2FA is known broken.
You should have implemented U2F or TOTP support alongside. Particularly for people who can't get a mobile signal at home
@mandville@NatWest_Help@NatWest_Help need the experience of someone with experience to tell you how to implement effective security rather than frustrating theatre?
Not unless there's good comms, I already have enough issues getting a decent portion.
BBC News - Restaurants urged to serve us less food https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49607938
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW Got a link for me to add to my list?
Painkillers are kicking in, so I'm going to stop for now. Likely reply tomorrow once I've read the earlier links properly
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW Companies don't really get much of a say in it, given that there will be no trade deal in a no-deal, we'll be functioning on WTO tariffs. If there are serious shortages now though, it's a sellers market not a buyers one
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW It doesn't, I didn't say it did. I said it increases the number of buyers - we're now in the market for ourselves and cannot (worst case scenario) obtain the same drugs via an EU source instead.
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW You have far more faith in him than I do. What I see is him stood next to a Brexiter who didn't know how important Dover was to our EU imports, and another who didn't realise the depth of issues in NI. He could be different... but then there's Francois. He keeps poor company
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW That's where my comments about not bunching the current bunch of cliwns comes to the fore btw. _Could_ we make it work? Maybe. Can Boris and the ERG? fuck no
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW Is a significant part of the problem, though, the delays at ports because of our current lack of infra for actually seeing things thru customs in that volume? Replenishment wld need to keep pace with that otherwise stockpiles would get exhausted.
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW If nothing else, opportunity. Much the same way fuel jumped when we went price per litre instead of gallon. But I was thinking more of EU based suppliers, or those that we trade with via the EU, yes
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW The field of available suppliers remains the same though doesn't it? Or are you saying there are up-to-standard suppliers out there the EU won't/can't trade with. If not all that's widening is the buyers we're competing with
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW It's one set of standards and one set of trade rules though isn't it. Granted we'll probably keep alignment on the standards (as they're "our" standards atm) for a while at least
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 I'd also be quite pleased to see MPs like Steve Baker give it serious thought rather than trying to just handwave it away. But then, I don't trust him any more than Boris not to screw up...
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 Again, I said that brexit wasn't the root cause (I agree with you about the outsourcing being a big part btw), but it seems like it will have a negative impact on supplies in the short term. FWIW I'd be very pleased to be wrong on this
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW Conversely, when we no-deal and have no trade deals, cost of drugs goes up - increasing the strain on an already overburdened NHS. So you're saying no-deal will have an impact? Maybe not destroy the NHS, but it will lead to us (taxpayers) paying more for drugs?
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 I don't think I did, in fact I think I explicitly said that while Brexit may worsen it, it's not the root cause. When it comes to drugs, it's got to be quality over quantity. Ever had adulterated drugs? I have. No thanks :)
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 that is tilted a bit in our favour though, as we have the NHS as one large buyer (and some smaller private buyers) which lessens the impact a bit. So long as the Tories and future trade deals don't fuck the NHS
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 They don't need to disrupt the supply, they want the same drugs we do, they have shortages (i.e. demand to fill) and suppliers can sell into 27 countries with minimal opportunity cost. We're 1 country, and will have our own med standards further down the line. 1/
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 Status quo being that we're subject to the same shortages as the EU rather than competing with them for the same drugs. Sorry couldve been clearer there
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 So, have I missed something? I accept your premise that shortages affect the whole EU now, but see nothing to show that a no-deal won't make that worse for us. If anything, it cuts an entire continent of resellers out of our options for a time
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 Now, the 2nd half is from a quick read, but I've got to say I'm feeling less than reassured, particularly given we've got cretins like Steve Baker and Boris in power. I think we could make no-deal work if we had to, but I know *they* couldn't.
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 In a market with shortages, surely there's a increased risk we'll end up accepting substandard drugs - deliberately or otherwise. Amongst our competition for the better quality will be the much larger n more lucrative European market 4/
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 So leaving increases risk of disruption even if it is not, itself the root cause. The other's relate to drug quality - Ill confess I scan read and bookmarked for later. The summary seems to be there's an issue with substandard drugs in the market. 3/
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 So, the fact that there are supply issues in general doesn't prevent Brexit from making those issues worse. Remaining maintains the status quo, but doesn't make the issues better (unless the EU itself does one of the things mentioned either way). 2/
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 Thanks, so if I may: the first suggests there are supply issues (globally, not just in the EU, though thats the focus of the art). By cutting off the EU we expose ourselves to a market with shortage issues, whilst cutting off a source that we could otherwise have imported from 1/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Yep, thanks I enjoyed it - suspect we could happily sit and discuss over a few glasses without falling out. We'll get there in the end, and then neither side will be 100% happy 😄
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle You mean May's deal? I'm not altogether convinced that was a plot. All evidence would suggest she really was just that shit. The deal was based on her red lines, which none of us got a sat on (not that thats leave's fault)
@Brexit011@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW Got anything slightly more recent and not caveated by "as long as everyone does everything they need to"? I'd also prefer not from order-order but it's not a hard requirement.
I will watch the clip later, but the blurb doesn't really convince me much, light on detail as it is
@NiallWarry@DanielJHannan So actually, socialist would probably prefer we replicated SG's model more as it moves them closer to, not farther from their goal of full socialism.
@NiallWarry@DanielJHannan But, it does have a free market, so it's not strictly socialist. It just has many more socialist traits than the UK does - the NHS being the biggest exception.
@TolgusB@SteveBakerHW@Brexit011 Do feel free to send that evidence over to me. I rely on analgesia, so I'm not concerned about risk to my life so much as to my quality of life - I'm more fortunate than others. Given there's already shortages of some of it, I'd be happy to shown Brexit won't worsen it.
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Fwiw I don't think it'd be right to "just" revoke A50 any more than I think no-deal is right. A 2nd ref would ve divisive but seems to be the least divisive option - so long as it's fought honestly and honoured. But as you've already indicated there's a trust cost...
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle It's a pity Boris is such a lying shite, as someone else might have moved May's red lines and come back with a deal that we could all grudgingly agree to. Instead we get political games and it'll end up being revoked or no-deal which'll only inflame tensions
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Oh I agree on the blackmailing, as I've said exactly the same about "if we don't there'll be riots". It's kind of the point in some ways - democracy demands an adult conversation rather than threats and repercussions. 1/
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov Yep plenty of people are sick of it. Ask yourself how they're going to feel if we no-deal though and then they find out that just means the next stage has started - do we accept the EUs terms (whichll be same as now) for a trade deal. We'll never be rid of this bollocks :(
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov See the thing is, my area nearly went the other way. 2016 voted leave, constituency has been Tory since it was created, high 60s turn-out. Tories scraped by with LDs close on their heels. Highest LD vote here before that? 6%.
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov Some will say that's increased awareness, others will point to it being evidence of malfeasance. Dunno. It's certainly a form of national hysteria atm, we're stuck on one topic, and the media definitely has it's part of the blame for that
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov As far as I know, it didn't - and certainly not to the extent it is now. Euroscepticism has never really been the nainstream view. For more recent data look at the polls of what ppl thought of europe before & after 2016. Before really was "couldn't give a toss mate"
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle You talk about democracy, but at least we get to elect MEPs. The WTO board are appointed, and Trump's been stacking the deck of late. So to avoid an undemocratic lack of control we're to remove that control even further? /END
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Not to mention we have entire industries which function in reliance on the easy movement of goods. Even Steve Baker's woken up to the fact that Car manufacturing is fucked in a no-deal situation. Plus, There's a reason no other country relies on WTO alone
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle as a member state the IP act is covered by a national security exemption. As a 3rd party we can't use thatexemption so we're no longer GDPR compliant and businesses providing processing services to European customers are bollocksed. 2/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle But if we want to trade with them, and even the erg claim we do, we will still need to be compatible with the relevant rules. No-dealjust kicks the can down the road to when we're in a weaker position. In the process it fucks any business dealing with data from europe 1/
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov All I'm saying is that relying on the Eu results as an indicator is a poor choice. Also worth noting the LDs made the best gains - if you assume BXP took over from UKIP to allow for starting frm 0. Maybe that neither do well in GE, particularly with some voting for a fixed party
@KinG_BoBBBB@Channel4News@davidallengreen@instituteforgov So he's not a traitor, but only because he's shit and unpersuasive? He's still tried to collaborate with a foreing power to remove the UKs options. If you're going to apply a standard, be consistent otherwise it's just dishonest posturing
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov Thats the problem with how polarised things have gotten, and *that* is Farage's fault IMO. He's taken it to no-deal or nothing. There's now no compromise, so we'll end up either revoking or no-dealing. Either will divide the country for generations
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov Doesnt guarantee a win. I think BXP will walk with some seats next GE, don't getme wrong, but we're almost certain to get another hung parliament. If Boris works with BXP then itll alienate non-nodeal leavers shifting the figures. If Boris doesn't support nodeal then bxp contests
@KinG_BoBBBB@Channel4News@davidallengreen@instituteforgov Talking of foreign powers, how do you feel about a certain MP talking with senior Polish politicians to try and get them to veto an extension? Have you called him a traitor yet?
@tsflan1@Channel4News@instituteforgov Euro elections have generally been a piss-poor indicator of GE results. Aside from the different voting system in use, turnout for euros sucks. Even at their euro height, UKIP failed miserably at GE. It indicates very, very little partly thanks to FPTP
@rowlandsbb@Channel4News@instituteforgov They do have top lawyers, but it appears to be cummings calling the shots rather than decisions being made based on sound legal advice. No lawyer would advise him to *ignore* the law. They might challenge the law, but not ignore it.
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle It is an extreme form though, it ends all cooperation and trade arrangements, from food standards to sharing police databases. It resulting in something basic is an argument for it being extreme not against. An agreement would be complex
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The thing is, the determination of whether Boris ignoring the law is a breach of law - the original topic - is a legal question. That you feel there's something higher at stake won't play into it. I think it's bluster on his part as - too much personal risk to following through.
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Tbh I think at this point, the Tories are doomed whatever they do, theproblem is they'll try and take us down with them. The future aint so bright for Labour either fwiw, and in the long run (Brexit or not) we'll be better off with less of a 2 party system
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The principle that parliament is sovereign and cannot be bound by others (even a previous parliament). In the 2015 act, Parliament did not even express an intention that the vote would be binding - they quite easily could've
Doesn't matter what Cameron said, his word isn't law.
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle But our political dialogue has been broken by one side screaming "will of the people" rather than debating what to do around a vote that was won by a very slim majority. That should have excluded consideration of the more extreme versions of brexit
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle i.e. you can say it should make MPs think about what they're doing, but it cannot legally prevent them from doing so.
And in that context, as it happens, I'd agree with you - it very definitely should inform their decisions, and the danger of outright ignoring it is very clear
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Without a founding in constitutional principles though, what is any law? Where do the powers of the Queen/Parliament come from?
I don't disagree that the vote should be considered of political importance and weight, just that you cannot say that it is legally binding 1/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk So Johnson's habit of lying & getting caught doesn't present a risk? I'm talking in non-brexit terms here (as you & I obviously differ on that). Farage is on record as saying he wants to privatise the NHS - Ok, not a risk to democracy, but is a risk. Both have links to Bannon
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Didn't we start this whole thread with you expressing constitutional principles - that legal opinion is based upon the principle of parliamentary sovereignty - a popular topic during the campaigns
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The act was also passed following a briefing paper to MPs stating the referendum was advisory. Blame Cameron for that if you want, I do.
The ref was of political importance, not legal importance.
It's a short section, have a read - #page=32' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-eu-amended-20161122.pdf#page=32
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle All I can say on that, really is that the high court strongly disagrees with you. They observed that the basic consitutional principles of the UK mean that no referendum can be binding on parliament (unless... see tweet before). The 2015 ref act lacked the necessary wording
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Yep it was, I know it's a slight tangent but it's something I tend to be curious about.
OK, so it's because only Farage and Boris are offering what you're after. How do you weigh the risk they present to democracy vs that desire for Brexit?
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Referendums in the UK are not legally binding. Show me where in the act it said it was binding. But, to answer your question, the act provided for a referendum to be held, it said nothing about implementing the result.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Even if my assessment of the EU were different, I find it hard to believe I'd think either of them were the right person to be delivering something I viewed as so crucial.
So, do you support Johnson and Farage themselves, or is it more the case of they're offering what you want?
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk I appreciate you have a shared aim with them, but Brexit aside what's your assessment of them? Do you not view their entire approach as incredibly dangerous the lot of us?
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk I still feel the same now. In fact, no, that's not true. I feel even more so now, because the calibre of politician has changed dramatically and we now have demagogues like Johnson and Farage vying for power.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Unsurprisingly the topic came up from time to time. His view was that the EU stops us holding our representatives to account (because they "but EU said"), where mine was that we need to whip MPs into line before casting aside our safety net.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Now, I'm sure you may view that the other way, which is that the "controlling EU" stopped our Govt from doing what they wanted.
And that's probably where our fundamental difference lies. I used to sit next to a Brexiter (pre-ref) during 12hr shifts 9/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk It's far from the only example, but it's one where for me, the EU acted as a safety net against the hubris of our own Government, who were ignoring MPs and stomping on with whatever the fuck they wanted (not unlike Boris's govt atm in some ways).
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Looking back, seeing the Tories opposed to it is odd given the money it and similar would make them and their friends, but yeah.
Anyway, ultimately the Govt and BT conceded, to the point CPS were considering prosecutions for the trials without consent
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk They did so, partially in reliance on advice from the UK Home Office that consent for this incredibly invasive tracking had been "implied" by users. As you can probably tell from a scan of my earlier link, Phorm themselves weren't particularly reputable either
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle@bt_uk Phorm's business model was to serve you interest-based adverts (i.e. track where you go, and generate adverts based upon that).
BT ran a trial, passing subscribed data via these interception devices without informing those users - at all.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Replying to this one too because I think it's only fair for me to give examples of why I went Remain.
> looked closer at the EU and found it's undemocratic
I disagree, but let's agree to disagree on that point because that could go on for days.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle the ROE for politicians during campaigns. I'm sure we can both point out examples of legal "bad behaviour" during the campaigns that's pretty undesirable in a working democracy. Sadly, we're not in a position to do anything about that, and I'm off on a tangent again, sorry - END
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle because it's just not possible to say with certainty whether Person A would have voted differently. We do now know some of the nature (and volume) of the targeting used though. Were we not so wrapped up in Brexit itself, I'd hope we'd be expending some effort on tweaking 4/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle but got all the associated weight attached to it. The amount of division that caused is obvious. In another tweet you note that both sides misbehaved, but I'd point to the fact that only one side breach electoral law.
We don't know what the actual impact of that is 3/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle I agree, 100%. I lay the blame there squarely at Cameron's feet. They could have made it binding. Instead, he chose not to, but to make a political promise that it would be treated as such. I.e. it got none of the legal protections we might expect from something binding 2/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle A sneaky cabal? You understand that *by default* referendums in the UK are advisory unless the enabling act states otherwise? It wasn't advisory because of some document, more because of an explicit lack of documentation.
But - if you take issue with it having been advisory.. 1/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle i.e. it's not that you're definitely wrong, just that (IMO) anyone who advised Boris to rely on your arguments would be failing their client. It's far wiser to avoid the claim in the first place, no matter how right you think you are.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Because of that the only sane legal advice Boris could receive is that his defence would need to rely on a novel and untested point of consitutional law, and that he'd therefore be advised to ignore/break the law due to the massive risks involved.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle I say law, because that's what it'd be at the point Boris decides to break it (if he does, I suspect it's just bluster to try and get support for a GE).
The real answer to this, though, is that we're in new territory and both sides of our argument could prevail 17/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The ref was advisory, and the promise to implement was political not legal. That doesn't mean that it *should* be discarded/ignored easily or safely, but it is important in the context of your argument that it signifies the will of the people sufficiently to invalidate the law 16
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Now, that may seem unimportant to you, but you're trying to attach a novel constitutional importance to the 2016 ref, which if accepted can only mean that other things surrounding the ref themselves become important. 15/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle that.
Jumping back to an earlier tweet - good spot on Mirred vs Mired :)
You say scrutiny of nothing, and yet it's been admitted by Cummings that things like the 350m claim were essential to Leave's win, as well as the fact they were intentionally vague on what "Leave" meant 14/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Only a restriction of the executive's power, which given how... novel... they seem to have been trying to be lately probably isn't a bad thing. You may support Brexit, but ask whether you'd support some of No10's tactics if Corbyn were the incumbent? The precedent may allow 13/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle However, in reality, the bill does not prevent us (the UK) from leaving with no-deal at any point within the extension, it just prevents the government from doing that without Parliament's consent (in the short term). So, there's no yielding of "exit sovereignty" here 12/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The word "option" implies there are other choices. So whilst that "option" may be unconsitutional (in your mind at least), the main body of the law is not, and can be followed without doing what you profess is constitutional. 11/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle you are still relying on the assumption that the bill "hands our exit sovereignty" to the EU. Although you now note that it is "an option".
So, lets take your assessment as read, and say it does give that option.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle we really are very, very bad at referendums. If you look at countries better practiced at it, you'll see examples of how to do it right (including rolling back a decision because of misinformation in the campaigns).
But, getting back on topic 9/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle the expectation that lying to the population in order to attempt to manipulate that will would be an incredibly serious offence. Yet, as we've seen, our consitution does not provide for that.
The answer of why that's the case, really though, is that as a nation 8/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Now, taking your position and extending it further. The Leave campaign made a number of now-famous statements/promises which have turned out to have been untrue at the time (let alone now). If you accept that the "will of the people" can invalidate a law all on it's own, then 7/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle The mechanism for that is much simpler - you elect whatever party has pledged to revoke the law you are objecting to. If they then go against that promise (*cough* tuition fees come to mind) then the electorate can punish that at the next election by voting for another party
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle There are mechanisms by which you can signal disapproval with your MPs choices - aside from telling them directly, you can vote against them at the next election. Even if the majority disapprove with a decision it does not automatically invalidate the relevant law
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Now, obviously, you & I disagree with whether Brexit is in the interests of the nation. The thing is, the MP's hold their own views too, it being an entirely subjective notion in most cases.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle granted that that wasn't expressed via an instrument like a referendum. But, the principle that MPs don't necessarily do what they're told stems from
> Members have a general duty to act in the interests of the nation as a whole; and a special duty to their constituents.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle I think your argument is predicated on a single assumption - that parliament's position can, in law, be undermined by claims of it not being what the population wants. That's not borne out by history - when Capital punishment was abolished that was *despite* popular opinion 2/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle As this could quickly get very fragmented if I reply to each individually, I'm going to limit myself to just replying here.
Firstly - I take it you enjoyed your drink :)
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@castlvillageman@JamesCleverly@SteveBarclay They always skip over the fact that if their alternatives work, the backstop would never trigger so they needn't worry about it. Unless, of course, they're just belching hot air to run down time.
@castlvillageman@JamesCleverly@SteveBarclay is quoted as complaining that the EU were demanding "molecular detail" on the proposed alternatives. Which sounds to me like Tory Newspeak for the EU saying "how's that going to work then?" in response to some truly stupid suggestions.
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Parliaments power isn't limited, nor can it be bound by a previous session, so the idea that the law is invalidated by a lack of mandate is complete bunk. Mandate is a political tool/mechanism not a legal one.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle view too kindly.
Finally, cos Im bored of typing on a phone, this isn't a law against Brexit, it's a law against no-deal. If he gets a deal on the 17th we can still brexit on that, or during the extension, or after it.
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@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Failure to seek that may well be used against him. As might another point - he *does* still have a choice. If he agrees with you that the law is unconstitutional, he could resign to avoid having to abide by it. But simply ignoring the law isn't an option a court's likely to 6/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle you might feel I've skirted your point here a bit.The question to ask, though is if the PM is sure that the bill is against the authority of the people, why is he not seeking a confirmatory referendum to prove it? A GE is not a single issue poll so can hardlybe decisive 5/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Without that challenge, or if that challenge were to fail (and only an idiot says with certainty which way a court will find) the law remains the law. If Boris breaches it, then the consequences better described by others comes into effect. But, 4/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle Now, that's not to say you'd lose that challenge necessarily, but that kind of scrutiny is exactly the sort of thing that various brexiters have been fighting to avoid. Which begs the question of whether they'd actually bring your challenge at all 3/
@ChrisMGra@JolyonMaugham@jeuasommenulle You mention authority arising from the consent of the governed, which *is* a principle. You skip over the bit where any challenge of the law on that basis would likely involve close scrutiny of the legitimacy of a referendum mirred with overspending and lies 2/
@senote@Marina_Sirtis depends who they sell it to and why. That data tells them about where you've been. Biometric data allows a buyer to track where you go in future - assuming they've the infra. You can change habits much more easily than you can change face
@gillorasp@JolyonMaugham Ask yourself this, if you accept no-deal involves risks and disruption (short term or otherwise), why would you entrust it to Bungle the Screwup? Even May didn't fuck up this quickly. If you can't trust him with ND, then an extension and a GE shouldn't be a drama
@gillorasp@JolyonMaugham Fact that we're even in a position where you can legitimately ask those what-if's shows just what a fucked up state this country has reached. That's leaver's fault too - if he hadn't tried to prorogue he wouldn't have forced any1s hand. No-deal *will* be a disaster with him in
@MJBr00ks58@Kevin_Maguire@UKParliament You had plenty of chars left for that, and the accurate statement undermines the entire point you were making with your incorrect one. So nice try, but it remains that you were wrong rather than being brief
@MJBr00ks58@Kevin_Maguire@UKParliament Yes I am. Maybe read up on a MPs actual duties? Their duty is to represent their constituents best interests as they see it, not to do what they are told. Certainly the rebel Tories seem to have been doing just that, though I'm sure we could both pick names of those who don't
@Ilovesoot@SkyNewsBreak Not read up on protocol have you? When Parliament is prorogued any bills that have passed both houses *automatically* receive assent. So, he could delay assent, but to withhold he'd have to change his mind on the prorogue
The Queen's not going to get political and refuse herself
@JackMurray2@Kevin_Maguire I mean, if you're right, and people *do* want No Deal, then in Nov/Dec he'll with with a landslide and take us straight out right? Why are you so bent out of shape if this really is the will of the people?
Could it be because you know the majority see it for what it is?
@JackMurray2@Kevin_Maguire > Not defy a law, challenge a hastily written unscrutinised law
So if he ignores it, you agree he's defying the law? You might disagree that it *should* be the law, but it's one that was (or, will be, really) passed by our democratically elected Parliament.
@MJBr00ks58@Kevin_Maguire@UKParliament Shall we start with the fact we don't democratically elect a government? We elect a parliament, and then the party that can hold the confidence of parliament forms a government?
C'mon, this shit is fucking basic.
@DaveDav69475345@SymonsPaul@DanielJHannan It's almost - We'll blow ourselves to bits, and you'll be picking bits of us out of your hair for years, and get some blood sprayed across your face.
@SymonsPaul@DaveDav69475345@DanielJHannan They would be very keen, yes. But they've also said they won't undermine the EU's foundations, and won't hang a member state (in this case IE) out to dry. But our side, haven't even suggested a workable alternative, we've just threatened to detonate that vest instead.
@AlvinAnthony60A@gordonguthrie@DanielJHannan When that's the best defence of a PM you can muster "Well he's not a tyrant", you really, really need to stop, step back and think about just who and what the fuck it is you're defending.
@markhill1608@______1980@DanielJHannan And if he *does* win in November, with a majority and takes us out, the electorate will at least have had their say. If he pulls a fast one on the dates of the election to force us to no-deal on 31st that very likely won't have been the case. So you should be supporting the bill
@markhill1608@______1980@DanielJHannan Still think he's a tactical genius? If he hadn't tried to prevent democracy then he'd have some wiggle room. instead he forced the hand of the opposition, showed himself up for exactly what he is & backed himself into a corner.
I say he, let's be fair, a lot of this was Cummings
@markhill1608@______1980@DanielJHannan That's the beauty of Johnson's idiocy. He'd need to cancel the progroguing to avoid it - all bills that have passed both houses automatically get assent when parliament is prorogued. So assuming it doesn't get blocked in the commons on Monday (seems unlikely), it will be law
Using anti-trust law because companies have agreed something with state authorities... certainly novel.
Trump admin threatens California, automakers over emissions deal https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1563675
@SeanWrightSec@yestinj There seems to have been a change in approach elsewhere in Google - just look at how Manifest v3 and www hiding has been handled, along with their approach with stdToast. I think its a case of change making you hyperaware though, and some of it was already there
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Sadly it's friday afternoon, and nearly 5.30, so of course I've just had some stuff dropped into my lap that they were supposed to provide earlier in the week and I've been chasing... enjoy yours though
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson > quinquennial or decennial vote on EU membership.
Whilst obviously there's some potential for abuse there, if it was properly codified with tight rules surrounding conduct, that's something I could get behind too.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Braces on their own lines? Now there's a divisive topic :D
I suspect that it probably will be re-run if we leave. At that point we'll have given up some things we probably won't get back (like the veto, and potentially some international standing).
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson I guess it depends on how you define leaving - and this is where divisions deepen of course. Most of the leading Brexiters voted against May's deal which would have terminated our European Membership (so was a form of Brexit). Didn't suggest feasible alternatives though did they?
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson I agree, a ref is much more definitive, which is why I'd back a 2nd ref over a GE (well, one of the reasons. Corbyn... y'know). But that's not why GE's are repeated later is it?
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson But, that's as much Cameron's govt's fault as anyone. They could, and should have built a 2nd confirmatory vote into it from the start. But in their arrogance and determination to fix the tory party they were certain they'd win outright.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson The difference with those being that they are GE's and there will - by design - be a re-run a few years later. The ref isn't like that, and has an impact (good or bad) that'll last generations. In that context, a confirmatory vote isn't so insane, and is how others do refs
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson An attempt has been made though, a notification was made under Art50, and a deal was negotiated. That deal was shit, granted, and it was mental to notify Art50 before agreeing what *we* wanted out of this, but an attempt was made.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson But, I think I'm doing you a disservice if I lump you in with them. You appear to be of the position that no-deal is simply the result of us failing to get a good deal, rather than it being the preferred outcome (vs a deal, not vs remain).
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Except that it is extreme. Think back to 2016, when the term "hard brexit" was still (annoyingly) being used. That didn't refer to exiting no-deal. No-Deal is an extreme interpretation. Particularly when certain pols argue that it's what people had in mind and voted for
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson I think most (not all) have genuinely been trying to honour it, whilst mitigating the perceived risk. That's an extremely subjective assessment though, so I can see why you'd view it differently. The problem is Leave MP's track record isn't great in general either
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson My question *was* predicated on the assumption that you support the current approach - which appears to be the case - so I was asking whether you applied the same approach in other aspects of life. What the "customer" asks for and what they actually want are distinct things.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson No, I think you've misinterpreted, or that I've not been clear (more likely, a combination of both).
I think the current approach - we asked once, fuck you all - makes no sense. That'd be true whatever the deal.
I see the logic in no-deal, I just disagree it's a sane outcome
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Ah, me saying your comprehension sucks? Well, in all fairness, if your take-away from " 52/48 is to slim to adopt the most extreme interpretation" is "52/48 isn't enough to win" then your comprehension isn't great. Suck's is a bit harsh though, sorry
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Following that logic though, the same disaster trade-capitalists who support brexit may well try to frustrate those future trade-deals which we'll be relying on getting. You rely on a lot of assumptions about what people may or may not do
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson An arguments premises assumes the truth of the conclusion, instead of supporting it.
Do feel free to explain how that applies to my question - I'm open to the idea maybe I wasn't clear in it, but there was no assumption on my part - beyond what I was trying to support
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson No offence intended, code-monkey is a fairly common term round here (along with rack-monkey for those based in data-centres).
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson You'd have no more reason to trust them than any of us have reason to trust Boris Johnson. Though the PM has a far more visible history of lying (and being caught doing so). Ultimately a MP's duty is to do the best for their constituents, and not simply to do as they're told
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson It's not an analogy, it's a direct question - your position seems to imply a lack of continued critical thinking instead relying on a single point in time and ignoring future developments. There's no begging of the question here, because I asked the question you claim I skipped
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson An alternative view - and one I know you won't share - is that Parliament just responded to a PM who *blatantly* isn't trying to negotiate a deal from running down the clock.
Bearing in mind May's deal was a product of her red lines, which the population had no say in
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Are you sure you're actually a code-monkey? You suck at comprehension. I didn't say 52/48 ruled out winning, I said it ruled out extremes
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson That's somewhat different isn't it. Especially given Bills get a second and third reading.
52/48 is to slim to adopt the most extreme interpretation. Doing that guarantees that more than half will be opposed.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Personally, I'd be happy for a 2nd - legally binding (read, has all the protections the first lacked) referendum to be decisive.
I'd note here that Farage himself said that 52-48 would be unfinished business for him before the referendum
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson When you're running regression tests before a release, do you just leave any regressions in there?
I won't get onto UAT, cos I suspect we both know just how badly user expectations tend to match the requirements they specified....
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Here's a question though, your profile says you're a programmer.
Do you never go back to double check a requirement? Or do you simply churn out based on the original requirement if it no longer makes sense? I mean, that's what was asked for right?
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Except, as of tonight, the law will say that we cannot allow ourselves to leave no-deal on 31st Oct, and must have requested an extension (though the EU doesn't have to grant it).
Law, like democracy evolves.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson That it hasn't is a signed of how stunted our political discourse has become. Extremists are successfully claiming to be mainstream.
No-Deal solves nothing, it just brings more issues, not least from those who will realise they've been lied to this whole time
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Obv that's ignoring people who've changed their mind (in either direction), or died, or are now old enough to vote.
But we could argue all day about what those figures are - the only way to know would be a 2nd ref.
The point: the majority was so slim it should rule out extremes
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson So you don't consider that going to the EU to negotiate a deal was attempting it? Only no-deal is good enough for you and fuck the rest of the country?
Keep in mind that in 2016 the majority was 1.3m. So if just 0.07% of leavers were against no-deal there's no majority
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson We negotiated a deal to leave the European Union. There has been an attempt at implementing the 2016 referendum.
I think we both agree that attempt failed. What we disagree on is the right way to proceed. You seem to prefer we shoot ourselves in order to please a slim minority
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Forcing through a potentially harmful no-deal, despite knowing the majority of the country did not vote for it is as much a failure of democracy as you perceive a 2nd ref to be.
We've already got political division that's going to be hard to fix. Why add economic damage?
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson So you're opposed to an early General Election right? The Tories were elected to a job, and they haven't done it yet.
At what point do you look at things and go "this isn't working, maybe we revisit"?
Democracy is allowed to change it's mind. There isn't a precondition
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson We already know what the impact of no-deal is likely to be. We also know, by looking back at the interviews and transcripts that claims it'd be "no deal" were discounted as project fear.
Plus, you know, apparently no-deal is the "will of the people", so why not let them affirm?
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson Conversely, making decisions based upon faith whilst ignoring evidence isn't the right way.
You can believe that you'll be safe as much as you want, but if you exit a building through a 3rd story window instead of the main entrance you're unlikely to be saved by that belief
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson So you'd be ok, given that 3 years have passed, with re-balloting the population to see whether this is actually what they want?
A minority of the country backs No-Deal. They too are very vocal, and want the rest of us to believe every leave voter was pro no-deal
@GeoffLath@EndlessMason@cybergibbons I mean it does say "Must include 1 or 2 numbers" and you've added a 3rd, so it's sort of consistent with the text.
I mean, it's still *wrong* but at least it's consistent
@djleodantes@omminc@MicknDenise1978@BorisJohnson No, people saw him for what he was before he campaigned for leave. What leave brought was exactly what he desired - prominence.
Don't think Labour are going to do that, but even if they did there's nothing wrong with it. Surely if the people really want to leave it'd fail?
@djleodantes@omminc@MicknDenise1978@BorisJohnson He's been repeatedly sacked from jobs for... lying. He conspired to have a journalist beaten up. The Telegraph actually used the defence that "no-one should take what Boris writes seriously" after he'd... guess what, lied, in a column
@djleodantes@omminc@MicknDenise1978@BorisJohnson That's a massive over-simplification. Boris will deliver the most harmful form of Brexit. Corbyn may or may not deliver a Brexit (he's not exactly a remainer himself - see the "Jobs first brexit" bullshit)
It's also nothing to do with how trustworthy Boris is. He's a proven liar
@djleodantes@omminc@MicknDenise1978@BorisJohnson So maybe focus less on the whatabouttery and instead focus on the issues in hand.
"But Corbyn" just means you don't have a strong argument in favour of the current situation.
@djleodantes@omminc@MicknDenise1978@BorisJohnson And yet Boris is the one in the news constantly for being a lying toe-rag.
The difference is that one of them is currently trying to do something that will damage the entire country. We don't know if we can trust Corbyn (suspect not), we *know* we can't trust Boris.
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson So to use an old analogy, once you've set the car accelerating in a direction, you're not going to stop and check whether than next bump is in fact the cliff everyone's said it is?
Democracy is a process, and democracy means people get to change their mind and direction
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson That much is true,the second the ref was called the likes of JRM and Farage's buddies were going to screw us for whatever they could. Given it's a process, now more is known, why not ask the people again?
@BrentCartwrigh9@caemson78@sharoncollings2@daiwalker@Bren55UK@BorisJohnson So you've read just the one impact doc? Not followed up on the medical advice, or the various input's businesses have tried to have? You seem to be relying as heavily on the hope it goes well as you perceive hammond to be relying on it not
@MicknDenise1978@djleodantes@omminc@BorisJohnson And yet he's still stitched Boris right up. What's that tell you about our PM? If you backed Boris, there's a good chance you backed the wrong horse - should have gone for a less bustery more competent Tory leader
@rjheathfield@BorisJohnson The ones that understand British democracy and the duties of an MP aren't the ones on Boris's side. What he's got are people who use the word democracy thinking it's a singular event rather than a process. Well them and the self-interested elite getting you to protect their funds
@BrentCartwrigh9@caemson78@sharoncollings2@daiwalker@Bren55UK@BorisJohnson Ok, as you're into reading why don't you go read up on the Govt's own assessment of no-deal and then ask why they're still suppressing information. Now, ask yourself whether you trust Johnson to be able to mitigate those risks? Personally I wouldnt trust him to buy fudge
@MisterShades Knowing Boris, it'll be that his last ditch visit involved spaffing, & there's recordings of her screaming "fuck me harder than you did the vote" while he tells her he's going to chop his cock off if she doesn't let him change holes
Sorry, I don't like that image either
@MeNickydug@jessphillips So you'd back a 2nd ref so that constituents can speak on this single topic right, rather than having to worry about whether Farage is going to pawn the NHS to his buddies?
@ShipwreckedJ@davidxnicol@Hass_Aslam@GrahameWhitF@ShappiKhorsandi@BorisJohnson Gammon faced white men aren't a protected minority though. As quite a lot of the brexit supporting ones like to claim, they are in fact a majority.
Context is everything - it's like how I can call you a cunt without it being sexist, despite the sexual connotations of the word
@Brexit011@andrewinit@TheColourOfHear@jessicaelgot Boris doesn't need to ask for an extension: Prevent a GE, and when he refuses to request extension on the 19th, have a VONC, topple govt, stand up a temporary govt and request extension. Get extension, and then have the GE.
@janekin24@RolandS13014285@tnewtondunn I assume you mean Kate Hoey? She's just one.
Then there are 17 Labour MPs who want to vote on Mays deal again. Dunno why they'd back a GE, but if they did, there's 18
You need more than double that
@janekin24@RolandS13014285@tnewtondunn Not if only the Tories and DUP are voting for it they don't.
The rest are happy for an election, but on their own terms and timings so aren't likely to vote with the Govt yet (else they'd have voted last night)
@janekin24@RolandS13014285@tnewtondunn You mean the vote where not all MPs voted because they knew a 2/3 majority was required, so abstaining counts as a vote against?
I'm *sure* they wouldn't abstain on a bill that required a straight majority
I wonder what @ICOnews would make of the fact that @lastminute_com repeatedly phone you for a satisfaction survey, with no way to opt out, after you've called their customer services. Hang up and they'll just phone back later.
@Bryant_Mitchell@J0hnnyXm4s You can do that without withholding the question tho. Good Morn, I have a question if you've the time... is rain wet? Is no ruder than omitting the question.
Means I can triage and plan my time a bit, rather than having to stop, ask, wait for their reply, then stop again
By which he means we're getting back some of the coppers that the Tories cut.
Strange how years of austerity have suddenly ended when he's in the middle of a political mess of his own making innit. https://twitter.com/10DowningStreet/status/1169295126348337153
@Denton_1963@SheronWilkie@FatLarry56 Odd, because all the polls suggest that only 40-ish% of those who voted Leave support No Deal.
So that's more like 6.9m people, out of a country with 64m in it.
@SeanWrightSec TBH that'd just be asking for trouble with me around, I'd be far more likely to object to it& start injecting data into your logging than anything else. This man types at 200,000 chars/sec
Meantime, I'd be sending my CV out looking for somewhere a bit more sane in it's approach.
It's 2019 and I'm still having to curse PulseAudio whenever I want to plug in a webcam with an integrated Mic.
Also, why in the name of fuck, doesn't @google have a testcall function in Hangouts?
@BeckyBrexit@IanDunt Yep, it's a complete clusterfuck and no-one wants to say what they'll accept for fear of being left holding the baby when it explodes. A 2nd ref is probably the least divisive option vs no deal or revoking Art50, but like you say brings its own issues and discontent
@BeckyBrexit@IanDunt True, but it shoild stop no-deal being forced through. Parliament then has to recognise that it has to take a position or ask the people what they want. There's no politically clean route, not even no-deal.
@charles_hancock@IanDunt Why do you? Parliament has been sovereign for centuries with the executive having limited powers. That's been reinforced tonight. Why are you opposing the way the country has worked for centuries?
Boris Johnson's first vote as PM and he's lost it, by a fairly significant majority.
Now he'll have a tantrum, try and call an election and not have the numbers for that either https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1168994769588170753
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Says the guy backing the PM who's tried to close Parliament. Sorry, but you'd be more credible if you were backing the Brexit Party. Today should have made clear already, Johnson and his cabinet are an ineffectual joke.
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson you haven't got 17.4m no-deal supporters, even before those who've changed their mind about Brexit. Time will tell if you're right about parliament asserting it's sovereignty over the executives anti democratic coup attempt. I suspect you're right n Boris will be crushed
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Not sure you understand how fractions work. You can take the biggest share but still have less than the combined value of those who oppose you. You seem to have been the one complaining tonight, need a safe space?
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Yeah those ones, where BXP took UKIPs seats and then failed to convert all of the Tory losses, much less the Labour ones. The majority didn't vote for those workshy hypocrites
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson But either way, sit back and enjoy the show. The likes of Farage and Johnson want an election on their terms and for once it looks like Labour is seeing sense and actually responding tactically. About time...
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Im not trying to duck a GE, Im not an MP. Not to mention the Brexiters got fucking spanked by the Lib Dems in my area in the Euro's. Democracy also isn't served by denying democracy which is what you seem to be supporting.
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson You mean the marginal referendum which parliament didn't make binding, and featured leave lying and overspending? The one where leavers were told we'd get a deal? Why would you think that shows there's a majority for no deal? Why do you hate democracy so?
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Conversely, If Johnson is so sure he's right, why would he have opposed a 2nd ref which surely would deliver the proof he had the country's backing? And why would the Govt still be suppressing no-deal information?
@DemocraticTrut1@JitterbugSs@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Because Article50 needs to be extended first. Why would you let an executive without a majority dictate the timetable? One of their concerns is that he'd reschedule the GE for Nov
@Tess1462@paulwaugh@BorisJohnson You right wingers really are a bunch of sensitive snowflakes? I thought they were "just words"? Do you need a safe space?
Sticks and Stones may break your bones, but words will never fucking hurt you
@DemocraticTrut1@paulwaugh@shefstevewilson Are you kidding? If this is true it'll be the first sane/wise thing he's done.
Johnson want's a GE before no-deal so that he can continue to lie rather than having to try and run a campaign after when everyone's realised they've been lied to.
@BenKetley1@paulwaugh What'd really be spitting on the working class would be to let Johnson have his No-Deal, with the rich insulated against the effects and the working class taking most of the hit from various shortages.
In fact, it'd be downright shitting on them.
@TVAddictStill@paulwaugh@DPJHodges The plan is probably to have a Vote of No Confidence in Johnson's government (and win), and then form a temporary government - using the support of the rebel tories to win a confidence vote. Extend Art50, maybe schedule 2nd ref? Then have a GE. But, who knows nowadays?
> The pound has made gains on currency markets after Prime Minister Boris Johnson lost his majority in the House of Commons.
BBC News - Pound volatile in further Brexit turmoil https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49562307
@SWso155@alexwickham@biogranjan Except there are leavers who oppose no-deal as well.
And is it any surprise? When you win on an incredibly slim majority, with questions about the legitimacy of the campaigns, going for the most fucking extreme version of Brexit is a complete dunder-head move.
@guildfordgirl15@SamGyimah Why would he do that? Stay and see if Johnson actually follows through on his threat to destroy his own majority. It was a pretty idiotic threat to begin with, so either Johnson has to U-turn on it, or he goes down in history as the PM who lost his majority deliberately
@trinityb38@faolie@YorkshireTweet@Islamofauxbia1@ledbydonkeys@PeteNorth303 Oh, I know it's never been seriously debated. What I mean is weren't all suggestions of it cast aside with Brexit In Name Only (BRINO) by exactly the same lot who swore we'd get a deal but are adamant that no-deal is the one true Brexit
@mandville@NatWest_Help But, doesn't surprise me that Natwest haven't considered customer's security properly. They've just switched *to* using SMS based 2FA for internet banking despite the well-documented security issues with it as a strategy
@mandville Assuming @NatWest_Help won't give you a card that doesn't put you at risk:
The aerial is a piece of wire that runs around the edge of the card. Comes out to the left of the chip (in your pic) and then runs around
Razor blade to cut a slot about 5mm to the left should kill it.
@trinityb38@faolie@YorkshireTweet@Islamofauxbia1@ledbydonkeys@PeteNorth303 Wasn't that suggested and roundly rejected?
Hell, Farage has been complaining the Johnson isn't Brexity enough because he's got the temerity to seek a deal rather than leave no-deal.
If you want to with a Norway+ you're going to have to oppose BXP and Con currently
@YorkshireTweet@ledbydonkeys@trinityb38@Islamofauxbia1@PeteNorth303 > Just couldn’t make this up.
But you are making it up.
No-one said it was going to happen overnight, just that no-deal exit would be the start of the downward curve/spiral.
> So BMW will stop making the Mini in Oxford
If Oxford is in the North East, your map is upside down
@matski909@howe_p@theousherwood So you want proof something will happen in the future? Rather than accepting that there's a high probability of needless deaths if medicine supplies (for example) are interrupted?
That's like me asking you to prove it won't happen
@matski909@howe_p@theousherwood So what you're saying is you want to wait and see how many people die rather than listening to the details of why doing something could lead to lots dying and how that could be prevented?
@SamJSharpe@cybergibbons Ahh man
One of my mains backed ones had been beeping for a low battery, so I changed the battery in the evening and it shut up. For exactly 2 hours at which point it went off as if there was a fire.
Reproducible - 2 hours then "FUCK YOU WAKE UP"
@FrankCarberry@BertieRGTG@Beddau71@bbclaurak There's no debate to be had there, Steven was wrong, period.
If you think "dipshit" is foul language I suspect you don't go out much.
@JuliaDiamantis@Dringcarol@MoggMentum Worth noting that any bills currently passing through Parliament also die as a result - which wouldn't happen with a recess.
So once again, the Domestic Violence Bill is getting fucked over because of Tory ego
"Do you use or rely on Intellectual Property protection"?
Who fucking doesn't at least use it? Don't even get me started on the fact that there's a tickbox for "Visit European Websites"
The answer though, is that we are all totally fucked https://twitter.com/JJHTweets/status/1168270698806153216
@Aquisteph@PatHolm25169812@AVMitchell2010 Stop dodging the question. You're the one who complained about rights being infringed, so what about the rights of the leaver's who do no support no-deal?
Or do you only care about the tiny, tiny majority of the country that wants to see us fuck ourselves over?
@Aquisteph@PatHolm25169812@AVMitchell2010 So now you're trying to go on a tangent.
> What about the rights of the proportion of that 17.4m who voted believing we would get a deal and absolutely do not want No-Deal?
Unless you're trying to claim every leaver wanted no-deal, which contradicts multiple public statements
@jessphillips They've got to cast you as being of particularly bad faith given that Gove's just said the Government may not abide by the law during an interview
@MarcOrphanos@EssexBuccaneer@DocTHawkins@MoggMentum The backstop is there in case "Alternative Arrangements" fail. ERG keep talking about using Alternative Arrangements instead - if *any* of their suggestions actually had a chance of working, what would be the issue? The problem is, they don't
It's a cynical sleight of hand.
@MarcOrphanos@EssexBuccaneer@DocTHawkins@MoggMentum The question was
> Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
May's deal, though poor, ended our membership. It was Brexit.
You can argue that it's leaving for something worse (though, that's any Brexit)
@MarcOrphanos@EssexBuccaneer@DocTHawkins@MoggMentum > She is a proven liar.
And... we've improved on that by getting an even bigger liar in as PM? A man who's been sacked, seemingly regularly, throughout his career for a poor relationship with truth. A man who lied to the electorate during the referendum campaign
@Aquisteph@PatHolm25169812@AVMitchell2010 No, you miss the point. Even if you're right (you're not) and it's the EU's fault, the Government's duty is to protect the rights of it's citizens.
So, again, what about the rights of the proportion of that 17.4m who do not support no deal, much less everyone else?
@PaulineMoorhou2@robertblaze@AVMitchell2010 If the only way to get out was to nuke the UK and sink it, should we do that? People voted to leave after all.
It's a deliberately ridiculous example precisely because so is the idea that we should take no-deal based on a vote where people were told we'd get a deal.
@PaulineMoorhou2@robertblaze@AVMitchell2010 So, what version of "Out" is Boris's deal? Oh, you don't know? Could that be because it hasn't materialised in any form yet.
The Referendum was a binary decision contingent on unknowns. It's idiotic to say that it should be stuck to blindly.
@Whites117@AVMitchell2010@jeffo365 I mean, if you're going to tweet insulting someone's intelligence, you may want to check your spelling and realise the word is "Thick" not "think", especially when you make the same mistake 2 tweets in a row.
@JOEPUBLIC20171@FaultFinderUK@AVMitchell2010@TheHopeSprings How does that fit with closing Parliament so that the "people" chosen to rule, by the people do not get a say in an important issue?
You can support Brexit *and* believe that what Johnson is doing is wrong, you know
@Aquisteph@PatHolm25169812@AVMitchell2010 What about the rights of the proportion of that 17.4m who voted believing we would get a deal and absolutely do not want No-Deal? Or those who want Brexit but believe in democracy and can see what Johnson is doing is wrong.
No-Deal doesn't and never had, 17.4m supporters
@brexit_politics He said that over a month ago, but still doesn't seem to have provided any feasible examples of these opportunities.
We've had some bluster about pork pies that proved to be wrong, I hope that wasn't all he had in mind?
The Government under @BorisJohnson cannot even get it's own legislation in place properly. What hope have they got of dealing with the fallout after a no-deal scenario?
The attempt to use the Withdrawal Act's powers for this is rather insidious too... https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1167909493276995586
@Dringcarol@MoggMentum Yeah, let's just ignore all the context shall we. A surgeon taking a kidney is normal/routine. Let's not ask questions about why they chose to do so.
It's only normal if the underlying reason for doing it is also normal, which doesn't seem to be the case here.
@BILDERBERG_GP@MoggMentum@Marisol04326417 Public protest has been a basic tennet of our democracy for centuries. Or are you referring to the undemocratic attempt to stifle democracy by closing Parliament at a key time?
Would you support it so much if it were Corbyn doing it to get us out of NATO (or similar)?
@MarcOrphanos@EssexBuccaneer@DocTHawkins@MoggMentum But would still end our EU membership, which is what the question in the referendum asked about.
Not saying May's deal wasn't shit, but if you're going to focus so much on what the ballot said, it's disingenous to ignore that leading Brexiters voted against a form of Brexit
@Takeapull@SurreyAmps@MitchBenn Hah, he said he could get there but tried and failed. Which is just as well because Johnson lied aboutbknowing how to work the latch and has just been running headlong into the door in the hope of it opening, to no avail.
@ScotWedPhotos@heidiallen75@argyllander Did you not read the story? The threat is that they won't be allowed to stand as Tories next election (which, lets be real, will be soon). The party willstand someone else instead.
Its not a threat to boot them out during the current session
@TolgusB@heidiallen75@ProudGranny24 The pledge that we'd seek a deep and special relationship with the EU? So, you're opposed to what Johnson is doing right? Cos he stood on that manifesto too
@JonShedden@Mr_D_Happy@BrexitBetrayed@heidiallen75 I work in her constituency. She's got a *lot* of support from her constituents. The area voted 60% remain and has only really got more so.
What part of what he said is bullshit again?
@JP091024@LocalShane@exilefromgroggs@SamGyimah Yep, Corbyn in No10 isn't my preference either,by a long shot, but it's very preferable to an ill-informed no-deal. Particularly when we've not adequately prepared and the current gov is suppressing information about the realities
@CharlieFitzh@SamGyimah What was the question asked in the referendum? Did the WA end our membership?
Yes it was a shit deal, but it was leaving the EU. No-deal wasn't considered an option during the ref, instead we'd get the easiest deal ever.
@Gyropitus@jontydark@SamGyimah Shorter to write what I wrote,point remains. You don't think we're on the very verge of a crisis, seem to back the prorogue and presumably support no-deal through the back door. Conversation over, I'm not likely to change your mind as reality means nothing to you
@Gyropitus@jontydark@SamGyimah The length is also unprecedented since the war. Not to mention recent developments like the threats to centrally deselect any MP who tries to frustrate the plans in what time is left
@Gyropitus@jontydark@SamGyimah Parliament is sovereign and can command him to extend or even revoke Art50. Above all else Parliament is permitted to change its mind & cannot be bound by a previous parliament
Ending a session at a time of national crisis is not routine. If you back it, own it don't try to spin
@LocalShane@exilefromgroggs@SamGyimah I'm not sure *anyone* has been in control the last 3yrs tbh. Certainly not solely remain. So you agree what Cummings is doing is wrong, and it's right to try an oppose it? I agree on the viewing, politics isn't exactly boring atm...
@Gyropitus@jontydark@SamGyimah The reason/intent behind it. He knows he cannot command a majority and is seeking to avoid being overruled by the actually sovereign body. It's a misuse of executive power
It's pretty well documented, do keep up ;)
@yasminfitzppc@SamGyimah And that we should do so without asking if thats what the majority want. Maintaining the status quo is an option, but its an option that various forces are determined to make impossible. Particularly in the organisation you're representing
@yasminfitzppc@SamGyimah The may deal is shit, yes. One thing worse though is no treaty at all, no trust from future trade partners (because of the way we've reached this point - blame May if you want but we are where we are)
You're basically saying we should blow our legs off because the shoes are shit
@LocalShane@exilefromgroggs@SamGyimah Not the point. If they got in somehow and Owen Jones was doing what Cummings is now, would you be objecting to it? Because currently you're supporting the principle because you agree with the action itself.
@sturnbull74@anthonyjwells Parliament *could* choose to cancel them, and the signs are that the recess was going to get shortened if not cancelled.
Not one of Johnson's excuses for prorogation holds any water, even before you consider things he and other ministers have said since.
@jontydark@SamGyimah Perhaps they believed constitutional convention would be observed and parliament would be properly consulted throughout rather than there being a dictatorial attempt to silence them.
@CharlieFitzh@SamGyimah So you supported the withdrawal agreement which terminated our membership of the European Union, right? I mean that's what the referendum was about and what the majority voted for. So why did current Gov ministers vote against it?
@Mowman123@SamGyimah Our "leave" prime minister voted against a form of Brexit - the withdrawal agreement. In fact the entire ERG opposed it. Don't put this on remainers, the leavers played their part, not least through having no feasible plans whatsoever
@LocalShane@exilefromgroggs@SamGyimah He is, but Cummings is calling the shots. You comfortable with that? And not just Cummings himself, but the principle - what if it were Owen Jones instead, for example. The govt is setting an extremely bad precedent that will be used by people you disagree with in the future
@yasminfitzppc@SamGyimah Right so when's that then? No-deal puts us in a weaker position, including for all the other trade deals we're going to want. India wants greater FoM to the uk as part of a deal, the US wants everything.
Do enlighten us with your detailed master plan
@pam30301@JolyonMaugham Didn't read it then Pam? No10 have explicitly stated she wasn't a leak.
She rubbed shoulders with the wrong people socially, so he sacked her without following employment law. Having that man define employment rights bodes so fucking well for the rest of us dontcha think?
@jessphillips Haven't they been trying to sell the line that any not-brexity-enough MPs would get punished by voters and lose their seat anyway? Assuming that were true (unlikely), those same MPs would be just as screwed even if they voted against an extension
@IWFhotline@AlecMuffett But, we should avoid increasing privacy *and* security for users so that they can continue to force themselves into a privileged position on the network, with the ability to screw up and block things that should not be blocked, rather than partnering with DoH providers.
@IWFhotline@AlecMuffett IWF being the Internet Watch Foundation, the same group that, whilst well intentioned, want us to abandon #DoH, Caused the entire UK to be blocked from Wikipedia by classifying a *legal* music album cover as worth of inclusion on their list. Many other screw ups too
He claims the key was encrypted with 15 slices, requiring 8 slices to decrypt. He only has 7 because he gave the other 8 to the (dead) other party
Why would you bother with a multi-key setup and then give the other person enough slices to grab and run?
https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1559217
@england_save@Polly_Phluid@adasomg@realDonaldTrump Given that 'blah' is derived from the greek for unintelligible sounds - barbarbar - I assume you have in fact taken my advice and covered your ears. Well fucking done. Now if you could just listen to other sensible advice you might actually understand what you're supporting.
@LondonQuickNote I mean, removing body parts is a routine procedure for surgeons. What tends to bring scrutiny is the reason for this "normal" procedure. Removing someone's kidney to stop them finding a second opinion might just be questioned.
Problem is the populists are talking to their bases
@Sandbach Sent my MP an email, I don't expect much. Last time I got a postcard back that just said "your correspondence has been noted".
She always toes the party line too, be curious to see if this proves to be a watershed moment, but I doubt it
@england_save@Polly_Phluid@adasomg@realDonaldTrump Cover your delicate ears if you don't like it pointed out that a bunch of cunts are trying to fuck the country over for personal gain and fucks like you are actively supporting it. Cos after no-deal, it's all your going to fucking hear.
@Polly_Phluid@england_save@adasomg@realDonaldTrump I mean, lets call a spade a spade, Corbyn really is a bit of a twat and he's harmed Labour significantly.
But, he's still a better option than Johnson.
@Google Perhaps it's too much to expect that a company the size of @google might recognise that spam is a thing and not have terminally fucking stupid defaults set. Or, that they'd perhaps use some of their computing prowess to catch obviously fucking spammy bullshit
It's 2019 & @google will still wake you up with a notification @ 0000 because some spamming cunt sent you a invite to their "iPhone Giveaway". The fact it's recurring daily doesn't ring any alarm bells either - well, except for the fact that that's literally what it fucking did.
@BorisJohnson following in Trumps footsteps there by lying about anything and everything. Both measly little cunts who do not deserve their relevant appointments
BBC News - Melton Mowbray pork pie makers and No 10 clash over Johnson claim https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49470831
@SeanWrightSec@Scott_Helme They return the right cert (albeit expired) for www but not for the bare domain. Brilliant.
It's almost exactly like this is a good example of why @googlechromedev should not be eliding www, it's an incredibly common misconfiguration.
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph Conversely, by that argument Corbyn isn't being asked to support Clarke or Cooper, so he shouldn't be too opposed to supporting them for that single purpose
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph True, but that's too much for those Tories, they've already said so. given Corbyn is the Tories current devil you can see why they may not want to be seen to have actively voted him into no10. If the situation were on it's head, how many Labour would feel the same about Johnson
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph Doesnt really matter whether I'm right about Corbyn or you are, the fact is he won't be supported by the Tories that need to vote with him. Him saying its him or no-deal paints him in an awful light
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph The alternative would be for him to back someone that can win the confidence of the house as caretaker pm rather than insisting it be him when we know that the mp's needed won't back him. He could then campaign as he sees fit in a GE.
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph the sad thing is, it's probably a trap anyway. Whoever steps in and delays Brexit is going to be targetted hard by BP propaganda during the GE. Given Labour is already shit under Corbyn, why would he insist on bringing that on further? A tactician would let the LDs take that heat
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph he won't be able to afford if we brexit. The LDs for all their other faults have been unequivocal. His approach to the GNU is itself poor, he must know he cant command the necessary confidence, so instead he's holding the vulnerable hostage - vote for me, or brexit'll fuck em 3/
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph somewhat differently to everyone else. You asked if OP would prefer no-deal to Corbyn, but that's asking the wrong question. How do I as a voter know that Corbyn is going to fight to stop this insanity? He's never been clear on it, instead talking about aspirations that 2/
@time_detective@TheMehOffice@yelobeli@FunSoph Thats the problem though isn't it? He's never benn clear or honest about what the stance is. He's pointed to a "damaging tory brexit" rather than a "damaging brexit". He's tried to triangulate and attract both sides. He... interpreted... the original party position on a ref 1/
@kirkabus@dr0idAndy@SeanWrightSec hmm, don't remember that when I changed SIM a while back. Perhaps it was before I monzo'd though, can't remember. You can use monzo on a simless device tho too iirc.
@Xiandel@EW_Matias@bruteusmaximus From a UK perspective - age of consent is 16 here - your numbers seem about right. 19yo with 16 is questionable but tolerated, 20yo though... hell no.
@SeanWrightSec@dr0idAndy Indeed. It's slightly but not markedly different is all. If I tweeted my pin now, it'd be ill-advised but it's unlikely my account would get jacked overnight.
FWIW I quite like Monzo for keeping track of spending
@dr0idAndy@SeanWrightSec Thats one route, sure. Its not the only one. Get the marks number transferred to new sim and use your own one. Still not straightforward, but easier than stealing their phone. The point is, the PIN itself is enough to authenticate in a way that isn't true of other banks.
@SeanWrightSec@dr0idAndy But, there is (IMO) a lot of weight to the point that if this were a mainstream bank we'd not have heard about it. Monzo's handling of this issue has been excellent, so the screw up hasn't knocked my trust too much
@SeanWrightSec@dr0idAndy That's incorrect. The cards pin is used within the app for a variety of things - including signing off on online transactions (think of things where you'd see verified by visa), or sending money to a new payee. Access to my monzo pin is enough without the card
@kaepora It rather depends what you're doing on that desktop though. If you're spending a large %age of your time in a terminal window then although KDE is running, you're not really "running kde" by your yardstick. Also at what point would you call it "running firefox" by that measure?
@neilturkewitz@Illusionofmore@Google Yes, exactly. The underlying problem is the breadth of choice and immunity that Google has with this type of content. Their somewhat arbitrary approach to individual cases is another issue sat on top of that
@Illusionofmore@Google Indeed, the idea that companies should, or even *can* self-regulate in this respect is absolute lunacy. Google's business model already puts $ well before the average persons privacy, so their judgement in more severe cases is always going to be pretty questionable
@IanColdwater@alicegoldfuss To be fair, any filing system has it's critics. Rare to have one that also makes the room look better too, I'd never have thought of doing that.
@IanColdwater@alicegoldfuss When you're looking for a specific book do you have to scan over them all, or as part of your system do you remember vaguely what colour each is?
@browofjustice@BadassBowden@weems Heh, I'm pretty lucky in that respect as I've already found that person. Someone who gets my sense of humour and will happily call me a cunt in response - particularly if Im feeling contrarian :D
Brexiters like @sajidjavid want us to be 'global Britain' and lead on that stage. But despite that they decide to fuck over the very people we need to agree trade deals with. Quite aside from undermining the idea of there bein due process in this country
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49390207
@BrexiteerJ@ProfKAArmstrong Out of the current crop? Hard to pick a name really, they're all pretty shit. But the party that'll get my vote is the one that show's its willing and able to have an adult conversation about Brexit. No bluster, no bluffing. Ask the people whether this is still what they want
@BrexiteerJ@ProfKAArmstrong I mean, to have fucked up *this* badly when the leader of the opposition is Corbyn, and the PM was May - 2 of the most inept leaders we've seen in a long time shows just how bollocks the Brexiters are. Now Boris has the opportunity to show the world just how shit he is at detail
@BrexiteerJ@ProfKAArmstrong If that happens it'll be because Corbyn has scrapped the red lines that the tories forced upon the country. Even then, it's unlikely though, but for all Corbyn's many, many faults the current state of things is entirely on the brexiters who never had an honest cogent plan
This man has a very poor understanding of how trade works, and our current trading status with both the EU and the US. An understanding so poor in fact, a cynic might suggest it's deliberate and he's just a liar https://twitter.com/LanceForman/status/1162257494787256326
The current setup for medical cannabis is, and always was a cynical government ploy to try & appear to have given ground without giving any. The @Conservatives couldn't give the first fuck whether you're in pain
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49333826
Its worrying how much facial recognition tech has silently made it out into the field...
BBC News - Data regulator probes King's Cross facial recognition tech https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49357759
@Disney leading the charge there in introducing fragmentation into streaming. The very fragmentation, in fact which drove so many people *off* cable in the first place. And just to top it off, it looks like they'll spunk your details into charter who'll inevitably lose it https://twitter.com/arstechnica/status/1162074485387911170
That way current MPs arent being asked to lend confidence to a brexiter, and his other batshittery, in order to stop a worse brexiter. Support someone the rebel tories can support. As a lifelong labour voter *I* cannot support Corbyn, so why the fuck would they?
Wifey just saw a headline snippet "in first PMQs Boris takes 10..."
I jokingly predicted the rest would be "seconds to start lying".
Clicking showed I was dead on the money. Thanks @Conservatives you must really hate this country to have installed that populist dishonest cunt
@TheRichTurner@jimpec@Smokey29773580 Exactly. Whether it's the NHS or the BBC it's death by a thousand cuts, the whole aim being to get the public to the point they're pissed off at the target so will support the changes.
@jimpec@TheRichTurner@Smokey29773580 I fear you're playing into the hands of the Tories there. They knew when that the BBC would take the flack and be weakened. They *know* that the current bias harms it (despite loving to claim bias themselves). What their *friends* want is a weakened BBC. Reform it, don't scrap it
@BentleyAudrey I always find it weird when people ask women for instagram too - it's basically "I wanna see if there's any soft porn of you you've published". Weird fucking way to start a conversation IMO
The @IWFhotline does good and important work, working with forces to get content removed & children rescued. Their push against technological improvements - like DoH - isn't amongst their better moments though. Particularly when that filtering *could* still happen upstream anyway
And yes, before someone wants to correct me, I know there's technically no DNS within onionspace.
The answer to combatting abuse online is police work, not lazily hiding it behind a blocklist and then weakening *everyones* security and privacy to continue to enforce that list
@NatWest_Help That's your policy, sure, but social engineers are *very* good at getting agents to step around policy, the more credible info they have, the easier it tends to be. I mean, best of luck with it, and all that, but I'm not going to be using it and still think offering it is naive
@TheMerlin4@SlowWormSec@blackroomsec@briankrebs Agreed. The thing that would take cajones would be to stand up, admit he'd fucked up and apologise. Ignoring it and refusing to admit he's wrong is the cowards way out and is unbecoming of anyone who wants trust or respect
@NatWest_Help Install second mic in their device (already been done online), or otherwise pop their device, collect pin over time. Phone natwest help and use that pin and a distraught tone of voice to arrange access...
There's literally no upside to this tech IMO
Oh no... god no. What the fuck are @NatWest_Help thinking?
Adding a pin is a minor improvement on pure voice recog, but by it's very nature the digits can be overheard. if you manage to pwn a device someone uses for banking? At best its one more bit of info to use for social eng https://twitter.com/InfoSecHotSpot/status/1160919162232954880
@KatyMontgomerie@SHANEOfficial_@CarolineLucas For what little its worth though, imo you don't resolve discrimination by having more of it. You stop discrimination by making discrimination of that form unacceptable. Everyone can find ways to justify their own biases if there's a perception that 'good' discrimination exists...
@KatyMontgomerie@SHANEOfficial_@CarolineLucas Even if that were true, if the aim is to stop brexit then the focus needs to be on that. Insisting on an all female cabinet risks making some MPs feel unsure (rightly or wrongly) and weakens support. Pick your battles please @CarolineLucas else we'll all suffer a no-deal
@SeanWrightSec which seems to be more "5G will let people connect stuff, and more stuff means more insecure stuff". Which as you say, they could just connect to 4G now...
@SeanWrightSec I believe there's a substantial increase in processing at the edge, with VMs and containers being used at data-sites rather than in a central location. So the attack surface *is* increased (but managed).
But, none of that lines up with the article you linked
@Google Please let me mark an entire thread as not phishing when you get it wrong. Rather than having to click through each and every one of the many mails in the thread you've miscategorised....
This is why there's so much focus (or supposed to have been) on *process*. It's easy to point fingers at GDPR, and it has it's role to play, but the underlying flawed policies/processes that caused this are the company's doing
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/08/09/gdpr_identity_thief/ via @theregister
I know it seems inavoidable nowadays, but I still believe any developer willfully using Electron ought to be shot.
Skype, Slack, other Electron-based apps can be easily backdoored https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1547467
I've just enabled some particularly strict rules on the edge for my personal site, so if you start getting a block page back, sorry it means I probably broke something and didn't notice.
The EU have an advantage here though, just like most of the UK, they known that @michaelgove and a significant number of other ministers are utterly full of shit.
BBC News - Brexit: EU 'refusing to negotiate', says Gove https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49251257
@SeanWrightSec Did that with a CRT once or twice. They weren't too bad to fix (depending on what was wrong), but some of the capacitors in them were..... fun
@Don1Gibson@IanColdwater yes it'd be nice if we lived in a violence free world. But don't try & tell me that beating or killing someone for the colour of their skin, or religion is comparable to giving those who do some of their own medicine. You can stop being a racist cunt, you can't stop being black
@Don1Gibson@IanColdwater What we actually see though is a bunch of racist fucknuggets blowing chunks about people they label snowflakes, whilst simultaneously trying to convince people they should be terrified of snowflakes.
@Don1Gibson@IanColdwater Don't speak for the rest of us buddy. What I see is the term Antifa being hijacked by right wingers going on about how it's not fair that people won't let them beat up jews (or whoever). They seem to want us to believe that Antifa are violent and that that violence is comparable
@Gozilu@cybergibbons Cooking deals with stuff transferred *to* the chicken. Washing your hands after touching is about the stuff you transfer *from* the bird. Ever had salmonella? Trust me, you don't want to, so wash your hands
> Google and Facebook essentially have a digital avatar of you that tries to replicate your behavior with the aid of machine-learning methods.
There may be some AI instances making truly depraved searches rn.... https://twitter.com/InfoSecHotSpot/status/1157263331994087424
Reminder to anyone going anywhere near support. Thanks to @GoogleChromeDev when someone sends you a screenshot, remember that the address bar may be lying.
In a fantastic display of interaction design ineptitude. The user needs to double-click the omnibox before screenshotting.
The handling of victims, and general approach by @Equifax and the @FTC is absolutely abysmal. Equifax can't afford the compensation? They should pay what they can and file for Chapter 11.
Don't want to have to do that? Take better care of other peoples data. https://twitter.com/ForbesTech/status/1157093659264933894
@KeirSnelling@TheRegister It doesn't overly surprise me. I had quite a long email discussion with the Home Office on another topic years ago. It was some of the most mind-numbingly fucking stupid "justification" I've ever read - they pick a tune and stick to it, even if it's provably incorrect.
@nsandi I can't escape the feeling someone in your team said "but security" with no real understanding of the implications of any one of the many poorly thought out decisions they seem to have made
@nsandi how are you still *so* very bad at IT?
You timed my session out in the 1min it took me to scan a document, and now there seems to be no path back to submitting the thing. And heaven forbid a user knock backspace/back, complete session destruction...
On the one hand, Google's got the DeclarativeNetRequest drama - in part because users sometimes misjudge extensions - yet on the other hand they're now telling users to install yet another extension just to retain existing, standard functionality.
@GoogleChromeDev Personally, I think eliding the subdomain is a crap solution to the problem they're trying to solve. But that's got fucking nothing on having the balls to tell people they'll need to install a new Google extension to avoid it
@GoogleChromeDev have updated the ticket on hiding "www" in the address bar, and not unsurprisingly, it's gone down like a bucket of cold sick - #c114' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=883038#c114 - if you want to avoid it, you're a "power user" and should use Google's new safebrowsing extension
@cybergibbons I prefix with the company name, so when i say (for example) argos@ I tend to get "Oh, do you work for us then?"
Then when I explain why I do it, some get offended at the very idea that they might either lose my data or spam me.
@nilgirian@matt_barlowe@b0rk@susanthesquark It definitely does pass mail to the user using HTTP. The underlying transport is SSL, but the protocol at the application layer is still very much HTTP. Quit trying to be a smart-arse, you're not very good at it.
@cybergibbons@TwitterSupport The other thing I find, is that if I click a direct link to a tweet from somewhere else (say a news story), but have twitter open in another window, Twitter will fail to show the tweet and say something went wrong.
@cybergibbons I get it periodically. I think Twitter use it to show that an image/video failed to load.
But, the reason I see it tends not to be network or issues, just that @TwitterSupport are shit at interface design and their workers tend to crap themselves.
@Google Also, what *is* the point in blocking download of attachments, but still letting them be clicked and viewed/previewed in browser exactly?
If a PNG is going to lead to me giving my details away, the download doesn't make an awful lot of difference does it now?
@Google you bunch of absolute fuckmuppets. If you're going to automatically classify something as Phishing and disable attachments, don't fucking decide not to put the "Looks Safe" option into the page.
Maybe disclose *why* you think it's phishing too https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1154339261761671169/photo/1
@ChristineJameis@TomMcTague@MarkDiStef@YasmeenSerhan No, no sympathy for her, but you should have sympathy for the country. We've had to suffer May as Home Sec, then PM and now just 90,000 have voted to replace her with someone worse.
There's a certain frustration in seeing people who are clearly incapable of understanding something as simple as why having a 2 char year might cause issues when those numbers suddenly get lower, speaking as though they fully understand something as complex as international trade
But that's the joy of living in an echo chamber with the words "we're sick and tired of experts" bouncing between the walls. If neg effects of pulling out of the EU are avoided, it'll be because someone has actually worked to avoid them - whether through negotiation or mitigation
@resistance_red@anthonyjwells@JolyonMaugham That's a double edged sword though. If Panorama airs the facts & social media hits back with well coordinated lies you get a similar effect. Certain parties/politicians are particularly adept at coordinating lies that resonate well with their base. Then you get the current mess
@quinophex@CarlGottlieb@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ So the source appears to now be acknowledged as rogue code injected into slacks login pages. And its taken 4 years to find out plaintext creds were filched.
Thats pretty embarassing for Slack...
@MalwareTechBlog They're right - you could have thrown a burner at them to but a few seconds to nick a plane and escape. You wouldn't throw your proper phone at someone though, so the plan wouldn't work
@Pampers@TheRegister There's a real issue with consent here if you ask me. When you sign up for services like this, or post pictures of them on the potty to Facebook, it's not your data you're relinquishing control of, it's theirs. And you have no way of knowing how they'll feel about it later.
@EthanB00 If I were being a cynic, I'd suggest we (the UK) might soon hear that Trump is promising us the engine servicing rights as part of our bestest post-brexit deal.
Eyebrows *were* raised when Turkey got it instead of us originally though, to be fair
Wasn't Turkey going to be home to the only Engine servicing location for the F-35/JSF? There was plenty of criticism of that choice at the time because of Turkey's instability, but "this is fine"... Wonder which JSF member will get engine servicing now
https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1537927
I've been pretty critical of Bitfi's Social Media tone. This initial response is well thought out & written.
The response has been linked to on SM & neither Daniel nor the Bitfi appear to have descended into quesitonable tones.
So credit where it's due. That's an improvement. https://twitter.com/TheBitfi/status/1151601163336388608
@SeanWrightSec Unless something's changed (it might've) that still won't cause SNI to be set correctly. IIRC without -servername SNI isn't included in the handshake at all.
Testing *without* SNI is also a valid troubleshooting step at times though
@SeanWrightSec Can I suggest in your openssl step including -servername so that SNI is set appropriately. Otherwise you may get a default cert back and start troubleshooting the wrong thing... never happened, honest
Surely you'd at least try to move the person whinging first? Then offer them a complimentary blindfold lest anything else in nature offend their poor sensitive retinas.
As PR goes, if you hit the news for telling them to stfu I'd side with you. For the blanket? not so much https://twitter.com/KLM/status/1151049902673321984
@TheBitfi@RawMaterialNYC But... if they dip their toes into cryptocurrency with Libra & get a hardware wallet that supports both Libra and BTC, won't they just stick with that wallet?
If they want to move into BTC, assuming your competitors support Libra, where's the motive for them to spend on a BitFi?
@AbeSnowman Thanks. There's plenty more to be found too, I just kept my focus to keys specifically - means I only really reviewed about 3 source files.
If only there was a safer alternative they could've accessed. Like the thing that spice was created as an alternative too because some cretin thought they knew better and prohibited it
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-49001669
Your new design makes my browser angry if I open an embedded image to open the modal. Absolutely no issue if I right click and choose "View image in new tab".
What the hell *are* you running in that modal? https://twitter.com/TwitterDesign/status/1150813699608723459
@neil_neilzone Reckon we're likely to see similar for Alexa in future? You consent by having an echo in your house, but what about visitors? Would you not arguably be reqd to notify them before entry?
Dashcams at least have a defense that isn't "but convenience"
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/07/16/amazon_alexa_german_spying/
That's not a criticism of @NCSC btw, that's exactly how a good DMARC setup should be working - it handles most of the chaff and you look at reports and see if you can deal further with repeated/major patterns
>scam used a fake https://gov.uk/ address, but the messages were prevented ... recipients.
Presumably picked up on the non-existent subdom bcos of .gov's DMARC policy & then created SPF rec for that subdom so that mail from it would get trashed?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48990724
@purpl3f0xsec@cybergibbons Yep, especially their recent claims that it'll hit $1m. That's a very, very Mcafee level of hubris, reeks of fundamentalism.
@purpl3f0xsec@cybergibbons He has some very libertarian views it seems. Much the same style of attitude as Morgan Rockwell (CEO of Bitcoin inc.) who's serving time for defrauding people - selling them plots of land in "Bitcointopia" no less.
Makes me all the more wary of his intentions tbh
@cybergibbons Meh, I can believe it started out that way - the intention probably wasn't to scam. But Daniel seems to struggle to accept that things aren't perfect, and (more importantly) that that's ok if you're perceived as honest about it, and working to make the product more mature
@Patel4witham seems to have been answering the wrong question here. She's talking about letting Parliament control how we exit, when the court case would relate to the PM attempts to prevent Parliament doing just that
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48980408
@alexbloor@Mythic_Beasts An engineer who's 10x as productive as... well, the baseline is subjective. If you hired a lazy git to join a team of extremely lazy gits you may mistake them for a 10x.
Quite an interesting conversation evolving on on oss-sec at the moment about whether moving privilege escalation into DBUS and prohibiting apps running as root is actually a sane move.
My inclination is also very much toward DBUS being the wrong place.
https://mailarchives.bentasker.co.uk/Mirrors/OSSSec/2019/07-Jul/msg00023.html
Even if you're with a honest transparent ISP like @aaisp I'd still go with DoH personally. If you're with someone else, then it's a complete no-brainer
The underlying point being that, if you take care over the DoH provider you use, you are probably - at worst - no worse off than you were sticking with UDP53. In reality, you'll almost certainly be better off.
- Purely for amusement, the satisfaction stats of users who've called BT's call centres with a DNS issue. There's a reason i originally moved off BT's crappy DNS in the first place
There are numerous other questions I could also ask, but these seem to tie in with @ISPA_UK's list
- How they protect UDP 53 packets in transit. For example, do they allow the Home Office's black boxes into their network (again, I know the answer)
- How they ensure the user choice is honoured whilst protecting online safety. If an address is erroneously block, how to override
- The user is fully informed of what exactly BT's DNS servers do
- How they protect the data collected at those resolvers, including when and how they'd comply with legal requests
@ISPAUK Perhaps a large ISP like @bt_uk would care to explain how *they* ensure under their current system that
- The user has a choice (are you ever intercepting DNS queries destined for other servers - hint, I know the answer)
I know Alec's being sarcastic, but even if you twisted and turned to apply GDPR to it, you'd categorise it under Legimitate Interest as it's necessary for providing the service
Not that that makes the claims by @ISPAUK any less vacuous or ridiculous. https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1149283591454711810
So Pai's FCC is now in the business of pre-empting imaginary bits of laws they haven't understood? What an awesome thing for a telecoms regulator to be reduced to...
“This is crazy”: FCC kills part of San Francisco’s broadband-competition law https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1534017
@q_aurelius@BadassBowden That's the bit that stood out to me too. It's the insinuation that she's been gifted or cheated to gain "what she has" that's the most telling about the person writing it, more so than the pathetic attempt at a threat
@OverSoftNL@cybergibbons@KhesinDaniel@chainsucc@chainfailure@cyphernormie@TheBitfi The fairly aggressive approach seen on both accounts would certainly imply that, yes. Not to mention the keeping of odd hours by both accounts - they do seem to be online and responding at around the same times.
Which is fine, more than a few companies refer to teams of 1. 1/
@OverSoftNL@KhesinDaniel@chainfailure@chainsucc@cyphernormie@TheBitfi@cybergibbons So what you see appears to be what you get. Though with an approved key (and a device ID to use) you should be able to download the NoxAdmin update package.
I assume DMA-2 contains all the "improvements" Daniel has been hinting at, otherwise it's all kinda moot
@OverSoftNL@KhesinDaniel@chainfailure@chainsucc@cyphernormie@TheBitfi@cybergibbons Unless the notification of your key being authorised comes back with a secret trick to unlock content, my conclusion has also been that it's incomplete.
They do have various API endpoints, but my review of the VS app suggested it's only for publishing not retrieving content
@KhesinDaniel@chainfailure@chainsucc@OverSoftNL@cyphernormie@TheBitfi@cybergibbons Incidentally, on this topic, once my key is authorised on your blockchain (it is coming right?), where are the docs on the emulation? I found the docs for downloading the app (I assume that's NoxAdmin), but that needs a device ID. Will I be furnished with a ID to use for testing?
@BentleyAudrey@BadassBowden@TheBADASS_army@WhiteHatScum@ac1dgoddess I mean... good... but its a pity the reason they've banned it seems to be because it's obscene, rather than because of the serious consensual issues with it. If the output were less obscene would they still have kicked it?
@TheBitfi For all fiat's issues, there's a reason the markets are heavily regulated.
If a bank said "buy x now, no matter the price" they'd be investigated, and rightfully so, because that sort of behaviour has historically put vulnerable investors at risk, to the profit of a small number
@TheBitfi A wise investor assesses risk before putting money in. You've just told people to buy whatever the price, that's not wise advice.
Buying BTC *might* be a good choice, but the risk profile may not be suitable/acceptable for some.
2/
@TheBitfi The volatility is a significant part of the risk. But, the point is what you've said is telling people to ignore *any* risk. It could be miners abandoning BTC for greener pastures, it could be the Govt in the user's country deciding to tax BTC purchases punitively. 1/
.... I'm guilty of using that (and worse) terms from time to time. It's not big and it's not ok. But you know what, if I'm called on it (or realise for myself), I apologise fully and don't try to make excuses.
Bitfi should have stopped after word 1 https://twitter.com/TheBitfi/status/1148260056707850242
@blackroomsec I tried, though I don't think it's gonna stick
Which is sad, because there isn't any reason Bitfi couldn't be improved if they'd accept there are issues & engage properly. Unfortunately it feels like there's too much personality invested in it instead.
https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1148154144747925504
This is exactly what I've been talking about.
Daniel's hot-headed approach dissuades not just potential customers, but potential employees (meaning you either don't get the best talent, or have to pay an absolute premium for them) https://twitter.com/blackroomsec/status/1148215454814674949
@DynDNS pinged you an informational about your resolvers upstream behaviour the other day. Not had a response (which is fine), but just to check is noc@ the best address to have used?
@oyemuhammad@PPathole Even if you don't learn to write code in all those languages, one of the best things you can do for your career is learn to *read* and understand them. Over time you may even find you increasingly learn to write as a result
If you're serving your country you don't generally get to call the shots on what you're doing. What IDS actually is is a self-serving politician who's trying to fuck us all over for his own ends. He belongs in the dustbin of history https://twitter.com/MPIainDS/status/1147569858575568896
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta Please do. These aren't idle questions, you keep telling people to do some research, so I may yet have a tinker with your API/Device emulation. But I don't just hand my data over (limited as it might seem) to anyone. I'd rather use a personal domain than LinkedIN tbh
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta The obvious question here, though, would be about the workflow for key provision. If I figured out how to write a key into the TEE, what's to stop me counterfeiting with unique keys? Are the pub keys registered on your private blockchain before shipping to try and avoid that?
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta Ok, so, how do the packages differ? Is it simply that they come down encrypted using the device's pub key (so only dev A can decrypt the image for dev A, but not dev B)? or does the underlying software differ?
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta Slightly odd setup, but you are at least dogfooding your own blockchain I guess
The LinkedIN requirement is an unfortunate one though, as it pushes yet more data into Microsoft's hands (for anyone without a profile wanting to contribute). Are personal domains acceptable instead?
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta But you're also stating (unintentionally) that there are no firmware updates for Bitfi.
> With Bitfi you will never need to download & install anything at all.
That AND becomes an OR so easily in the reader's mind, and the subsequent sentence just compounds it.
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta Firstly, why do you need my LinkedIN? Secondly, as you're asking for it, how will that data be handled under GDPR?
More importantly though, which public key? I assume you probably mean BTC? Or is my PGP key? A RSA pair?
I'm not asking idly btw
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta Ok, so what you wanted to say really was that no interaction is needed with a potentially compromised PC for update.
Rather than "No more complicated.." how about
Updates are performed directly on the device at the press of a single button, no more hooking up to your machine
@TheBitfi@Reputelligence@diddykang@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta > No more complicated & nerve-racking firmware updates.
Does rather imply you don't provide firmware updates. Not that I'm criticising you for providing updates, just that having that sentence under the heading "No Downloads" *is* a bit unclear
@TheBitfi@EthanB00@Cyber_Cox@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta I'm not saying I don't sympathise, I've been in that position before, but they need to contribute in all areas that are needed, but sometimes it takes sitting down and explaining exactly why they're wrong. 2/
@TheBitfi@EthanB00@Cyber_Cox@cybergibbons@EV_Stevee@Teazzdelta In which case, you (as in your company) may need to give your devs a bit of a kicking by escalating up through the ranks. If you're suffering reputational damage because your Devs won't help answer simple questions then you may find you don't have a market to sell their work into
@TheBitfi@EV_Stevee@cybergibbons@Teazzdelta Funny really, one of the criticisms that I've heard some crypto-currency fans make of Fiat currency is the idea that it's based on the idea of future promises. And yet,here you are making them in relation to a cryptocurrency wallet...
Complete besides the point, but did amuse me
@TheBitfi@EV_Stevee@cybergibbons@Teazzdelta And then there are side channel attacks. Do you adequately mitigate TEMPEST for example? What about less advanced side-channel attacks that might be combined with an evil-maid attack? If I've the ability to read abitrary RAM, what mitigations do you have in place? 3/
@TheBitfi@EV_Stevee@cybergibbons@Teazzdelta managing to write the right arbitrary shit into RAM is enough for that, you don't necessarily need to get to write to flash (though it won't survive reboot obvs). 2/
@TheBitfi@EV_Stevee@cybergibbons@Teazzdelta OK, so now there's some agreement that the keys can be extracted, lets walk down the path of how. You've mentioned malware, let's call it what it is though - an evil maid attack where someone manages to load tainted firmware. 1/
@TheBitfi I mean, to me, it's fairly simple. The keys are in ram (very briefly), therefore they are stored in RAM (very briefly). The RAM is (oddly enough) in the device, so the keys are stored on the device (very briefly) and therefore potentially could be extracted from RAM
@TheBitfi Aside from the fact that their claims hold a lot of credence, not least because you seem to be trying to argue semantics?
The general tone of the replies suggests that if support were needed, it wouldn't be great. If a vulnerability were disclosed, you may just deny it
@TheBitfi@EV_Stevee@cybergibbons@Teazzdelta Let's see if rephrasing helps.
Does the device *hold* any private keys?
Yes, the key is held in RAM (but for a very short time).
If the key is held by the device then it's possible for it to be extracted (though this might be hard).
@TheBitfi The problem is, with your approach on Social Media at the moment, I'd never get as far as trusting you enough to buy the thing.
small note: https://bitfi.dev/ doesn't redirect 80 to 443 btw, just returns a 404
It's err... not the most navigable site is it?
@TheBitfi as well as that you'll take issues seriously and engage, rather than responding like you have in the tweet I quoted.
Best will in the world, responses like that don't endear to giving you money for hardware - a likely blocker in whether a prospect spends the time to research
@TheBitfi You seem to get quite shouty when people do that though. Trust is still required though. If I read all your claims, all the research etc, I still have to trust that you've not changed the hardware or firmware that I receive from that which was tested/disclosed
@cybergibbons@ninkosan@hackdefense_com I did tinker a while back with having ntpd take time from a usb gps dongle, but my understanding of ntp probably isnt much better than yours
@cybergibbons@ninkosan@hackdefense_com I did get a bit carried away and try variations, hence the length. The actual setup is quite short.
There's a DoT setup guide linked there too, but if you enable ECS in unbound it'll send 127.0.0.0/8 so you get to see which upstreams have read rfc 7871 properly :D
@TheRealRevK@aaisp@Ben_Houghton FWIW, I took (another) ISP through CISAS quite a while back and they were very good and fair. You being with them would be a selling point for me in case you turned out not to be so great. Not so much with other DR's.
@bt_uk you're a member of @ispauk but also try to sell security expertise into industry. So which is it? Do you agree with the ISPA's suggestion that security should be reduced, or do you want to stand by your credentials in cybersecurity? https://twitter.com/ISPAUK/status/1146725374455373824
@PrincenAlice@hackdefense_com@cybergibbons I'm in the UK. Our ISPs are untrustworthy in so much as our Government has passed overreaching legislation like the IPA and looks set to continue doing so.
DoH is likely to become increasingly necessary here IMO. But using Cloudflare for it is absolutely insane
@Rangers774@GoodwinMJ He said as a first language. So to take your example, learn Polish then move to Poland and then get criticised because although you speak Polish, English is your first language
@skiptonbs OK thanks. Please consider either maintaining support for that app, or perhaps supporting other standard 2FA mechanisms (such as FIDO/U2F). Though it looks like it *is* TOTP, so as simple QR so the secret can be pulled into Google Auth would be just as acceptable.
@skiptonbs Yes but will the old app still work? I don't want biometric login, I don't need most of the other functionality. All I want is 2FA, so its insane to have the attack surface of all that other bloat unnecessarily
@skiptonbs nice that you've got a new app coming, but will I be able to continue just to use the secure passcode app for 2FA? I don't _wan't_ any of the other features you're rolling into the app. Assume it's TOTP so should carry on working right?
@BrexitBin Well to be fair, part of the reason he's there is because he's been lying his tits off for years. So there *is* an issue of sorts with the democratic process, it's just not where he wants you think it is.
@StevePeers@IanDunt Ah, yes, so we (again) circle back to a certain level of fecklessness by the Govt & Parliament when arranging the referendum in the first place. Things like making poltical statements that it'd be binding, without affording it the legal protections of a non-advisory ref.
@Pezmc@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ Complete radio silence :(
But, our company did use Trello for a while (quite some time ago). There is a trello/slack integration, though they *shouldn't* ever have exchanged creds. Not sure whether that integration was ever used here though
@StevePeers@IanDunt Saying we give 350m/w to the EU talks about the "conduct" of the Remain outcome.
But, I guess that's probably stretching it a bit far, and I've not look at what the legislation actually says (which is a fairly fatal mistake). I can buy we'd need a change in law tbh
@StevePeers@IanDunt So a logic interpretation would be that it _should_ also be illegal to make false statements about an outcome in a binary choice referendum. Assuming that Parliament's intent was to protect the democratic process at least. 2/
@StevePeers@IanDunt Surely the reason it's illegal to make false statements about a candidate during elections is because it's the candidates that voters have to choose - i.e. the candidate is the outcome.
That doesn't follow in the ref though, the "candidates" were the outcomes - Leave & Remain 1/
@RotoPenguin@kravietz2@lukOlejnik I view it that I can't (easily) avoid Cloudflare sites, but I can completely avoid their DoH service. Other DoH and DoT providers exist, or you can run your own, so I can still get the ISP level privacy benefits without giving CF *more* visibility than they've already got.
@RotoPenguin@kravietz2@lukOlejnik Flipping that though, a good proportion of the net is not served by Cloudflare. Your ISP knows where you're going (& will until ESNI is the norm). By sending CF all your DNS what you're actually doing is increasing the number of orgs with visibility of your habits from 1 to 2
@PiotrSec No sorry, it was just a different example :)
Though to be fair, this paper from 2014 does reference bugdoor's - https://tcipg.org/sites/default/files/papers/2014_q3_tfs1.pdf - so not a new term as such, just not one that seems to have been used outside that paper (til now)
@AlecMuffett@markhughes I quite "like" the idea that someone will find a way to convince the network that it doesn't like *any* updates. For many, things like Alec's deperimeterisation slide will likely be a drawback not a selling point. 4/5
@AlecMuffett@markhughes Even if, in the short term, exploits and vulns are limited to DoS, that's going to be enough to keep a lot of stuff off there - DoSing is pretty damn popular. I read somewhere that it's AI won't allow updates that break it to be deployed 3/4
@AlecMuffett@markhughes unlike Freenet, it looks like you can deploy actual applications on this, so the network is - to an extent - still at the mercy of other people's code. Which means there's still an attack surface and a risk that the walls will come crashing down, destroying trust further 2/5
@AlecMuffett@markhughes Will take the time to read up @ some point, but I'm with Alec on this. My expectation would be that it becomes yet another overlay network. If it doesn't interact with other stuff, you'll struggle to drive adoption. The use of a cryptocurrency is cute, but may drive distrust 1/3
@cpt_cretin_fbpe@cliodiaspora 20 years is a fucking long time in politics though, and there's a whole host of very, very nasty shit that can happen in that time if we as a country are too complacent. It's us that will have to live with the consequences of that time too...
With a background like this guy's got, you'd think he could at least read as far as the 1st para & see that it's not making quite the point he thinks it is.
But you know, belief overrides fact... Believe in Brexit people and we'll all have shiny ass unicorns & blue passports https://twitter.com/BrexitStewart/status/1145347620082241543
Which businesses do you forsee prospering or being created Roger? Because we're already over the original Brexit deadline and there's been no sign of anything but the failures being incubated? https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1145469532892520448
@markhughes@AlecMuffett Hmm, I probably need to read up on SAFE more, but at first blush, it looks like a modernised Freenet (in terms of the principle). But, as a fairly complex application in and of itself, it will have an attack surface - albeit a very different one to a traditional server
@markhughes@AlecMuffett So what you'll likely get instead is a situation where those providing resources to SAFE start getting their kit pwned by the content they're processing for you.
A little cynical perhaps, but IMO, SAFE changes the attack surface but doesn't shrink it that much
@TheRegister Also I'm still puking at the chancellor's quote "I don't claim to be an expert on it but the most obvious technology is blockchain." 🤮
Not quite as bad as Rudd's hashtags line, but ffs
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ I suspect there's no commonality on underlying OS either, we've got different linux distros here (and a mix of androids on the phone front).
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ OK, so across a (admittedly small) sample we have
- All using different Password mgrs
- No common backend pwd db storage
- Using good passwords (I've seen more than one of them now)
- Password is at least 4 years old
- Password is the original one used on that account
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ Have you *ever* changed your password? Speaking to the people I know it's their original password. Wondering if passwords were erroneously logged on account creation or something like that
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt Mind you, given the age of these passwords, perhaps someones just spent 4 years chucking computing resources at the bcrypt hashes taken back in March 15. Though would raise the question of why... 😀😀
@ICOnews I don't necessarily want to make a complaint, but you may want to have a friendly word with these guys.
They continue to email me having received no contact (let alone consent) in response to their mails https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1108682933475385344
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt Yeah that's the problem, there seems to be a lack of alternative scenarios and it's more or less impossible to say for certain that it wasn't you. Yep, I was just about to say the proximity to the IPO is troubling.
@polemic@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ Yeah that seems to line up here too.
Wonder if Slack have left some old system online, or failed to secure some older backups....
@adrianthomas@troyhunt@SlackHQ Nope, I know various people who've been affected, one is using Lastpass, the other revelation with their db in dropbox. The only common thread seems to be slack itself
@troyhunt heard anything about a @SlackHQ breach? There seem to be multiple people affected by this, all using unique passwords stored in a diverse set of ways.
User/pass credentials seem to have been anonymously emailed to Slack https://twitter.com/_uxp/status/1143753558220836865
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now Not to mention the fact you claim to be Labour whilst supporting an outcome that will harm the very people that Labour used to stand for and represent. Fuck that, if Labour brings about a Lexit they'll pay the political price for decades to come once people realise the betrayal
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now But if you want to know which bit of bullshit specifically I'm taking issue with, it's your implication that Corbyn's plan is the fundamental solution, and your spinning of events (like the local elections) to suggest that Labour hasn't in fact haemorrhaged support
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now 65% of Labour voters voted Remain. The problem with cherrypicking statistics if they don't give a holistic view. JC's position was that *his* plan wouldn't go to a PV, so is based upon the same unsafe referendum as a Tory brexit, and it certainly doesn't solve the economic issues
@Baznut@SkidRowRadio_YT@ForChange_Now But, I tend to engage for a bit, not because I think they'll change their mind (most won't), but to ensure there's one less bit of bullshit left unchallenged. A Tiny segment of the whole, granted, but one less all the same
@Baznut@SkidRowRadio_YT@ForChange_Now Yep you've got fundamentalists on both sides screaming their way is the only way & you must back it to be a patriot/socialist (depending on side). result is we end up with politics that are US style partisan & we all get fucked over by whichever personality wins. Dangerous times
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now Honestly, Corbyn seems to be doing a good enough job of stopping himself without there being any need for some grand conspiracy.
But, this thread's going nowhere so I'm going to call it a day too
@RufusHound One word of warning, research any app/solution you settle on properly, more than a small number of vendors will wind up tracking your kids without consent if you choose poorly.
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now If you perhaps stuck to reality a little more, I could be more brief. The shit deal is due to May's redlines, but does not mean there's a "good" deal to be had. All are harmful. And claims like "Jobs first Brexit" are fantasy.
How can you be Labour & support fucking people over?
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now perhaps that's just his communication, of course, but that's the point, he cannot even communicate his position clearly because he's trying not to drive away two opposite factions. The idea that there's a brexit that can please both sides is a fantasy
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now Now, I get that you're obviously not going to be backing a Tory brexit. But if you really believe Corbyn can deliver a brexit that isn't harmful to the country then I've a bridge to sell you. In my eyes Corbyn's proven he cannot be trusted on Brexit
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now Conversely, it's quite a significant fuckery to want to stick to a national mandate tainted by breaches of law, that delivered a result that's proven to be undeliverable. The Brexit on offer now wasn't a consideration at the time of the ref - leavers denied this would happen
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now It's only in the last few days that he seems to have seen the writing on the wall and shifted slightly, and it may very well be too late.
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now of course, Labour were busy telling voters things that aren't strictly correct about Labour's position on Brexit. They were trying very hard to attract remain votes whilst being led by someone who was very clear his plan was to Brexit (but not a Tory brexit).
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now I'm sorry, you think Labour did well? They *lost* 63 seats while the lib dems *gained* 676. It wasn't quite the bloodbath the Tories saw, granted, but to position that as doing well is something that... well, only Corbyn has really done. Plus....
Johnny, pal. Everything you listed there is a goal, not a plan. He aims for a better withdrawal agreement and aims to ramp up preparations. No part of that tells us the plan of how the fuck he thinks he's going to achieve it. https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1143235241580122112
Strikes me that: while normally you'd expect the US to walk over Iran in a cyber-engagement, the US is currently at an extreme disadvantage given their Commander-in-Chief is a twitter addict who'll presumably click anything put in front of him.
Pwned while sitting on the bog...
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now It's never, every Corbyn's fault for you lot is it? Who do you blame for Labour's shitshow in the recent elections? I can believe Corbyn *could* potentially be a good leader at a different time, but he's completely shit for the current situation.
@SkidRowRadio_YT@Baznut@ForChange_Now Without JC there would have been another leader of the opposition, and almost certainly a more credible and competent one. Given how shit May was, she'd have been toast ages ago.
Corbyn's "successes" have taken a long time and seemed very.. reluctant
@BritishBeef3@triplesilk@MonochromeAdvic@carolecadwalla > The only thing that pays me is my love of my country, democracy and culture.
Your phrasing (and not just that sentence) would suggest quite strongly that your country is not the UK.
I'd run it anyway, that way @borisjohnson being a coward that can't face questions and debate would simply provide Hunt with a free-er platform for longer.
The man wants to be PM but can't be trusted to speak in public...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48744724
@marcinborkowsky It's a large city he was from. Although, to be fair, I gather they can be a little... odd... from that city.
I should have made clearer too, he was something of an outlier amongst the various Polish people I've worked with.
What third-world country is this in... oh wait. It's a first-world country currently being run by a party who fuel and defend themselves with claims American Exceptionalism. That anyone finds this shit acceptable is a depressing reflection on the state of the human race https://twitter.com/awalkerinLA/status/1142297473441943552
@HannahAlOthman You can see why Cheating/lying are on the same line as they're very similar. Why the fuck is "Cursing/quick to anger" on the same line? I swear a metric fuck-tonne, but it's very, very rare I reach even the edge of anger.
Also someone pointed out the other day - Jesus had 2 dads
@runnymonkey@realCGriffiths@carolecadwalla I was talking to someone about this earlier. If Hunt wins, parliament will prob give him a chance. If not then Id expect a no-confidence vote early on the agenda, triggering a GE. Which is probably why Banks wants Johnson in there, as a GE gives the Brexit Party a chance of seats
@TheLastLeg#IsItOk that the right wing are terrified of milkshakes, jokes about acid and women who are (shock horror) carrying phones, but we're apparently the snowflakes?
@FrankSidney_@SuzanneEvans1 How were they to know... Farage could have been on fire, hard to see for sure without all that security around him and you've only an instant to react.
Doesn't really work as an excuse...
For all their bluster, Right Wingers seem to be positively terrified of absolutely fucking everything.
What's she got in her hand? It's a fucking phone Suzanne. You don't get to excuse assaulting someone because they were holding something that isn't but might have been a weapon https://twitter.com/SuzanneEvans1/status/1141958148137398272
Startups always involve risk, but (although I have the benefit of hindsight) that does not look like a sane business proposition to me. Launch a product that many will hate and probably just bypass. A product that means you're carrying the can when the massive data breach comes
They've implemented a product for a system that was fraught with issues, was never going to popular once the population realised what it meant, and have done so under a disorganised Government, with this launch just in time for our PM to become the man who said "Fuck Business". https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1141590996309958657
@shotgunner101@MalwareTechBlog The Tories motives are, of course, almost always financial. So you're not far off the mark there, though there may be an aspect of power via leverage too (we know what you fap to...)
@shotgunner101@MalwareTechBlog This has precisely fuck all to do with the EU. This is the concoction of the 2 UK govts
In this instance you need to blame the UK Tories and the think of the children types.
So it doesn't prove much about the EU. Sadly doesn't tell us much we didnt know about the tories either
@streaky81@MalwareTechBlog Have you seen the reported reason for this delay though? Apparently DCMS forgot to notify the European Commission... They can't even get the basic procedure right
@_LittleSBitch@MylesJackman Guess it'll depend on how they define "works" then. The system will probably be functional, for a time, and if they're in a rush they may just decide it worked before the real fallout comes.
@LapThis@PaulaChristy@Stonewall_77@AOC You're clearly proud of your progress at work, but those stars don't really mean anything when you're outside McDonalds. Good luck to both you & Lee in getting your fourth. Once you've more time spare please read some world history & you might better understand the conversation
That's a rock and a... ahem.. hard place for the govt. Delaying for a 3rd time would be a huge loss of face, but forcing the date knowing that data protection mechanisms are weakened would be a huge misstep.
Its almost as if it was a stupid idea to begin with... https://twitter.com/MylesJackman/status/1141444894826926082
@SeanWrightSec You've used the word shotgun in a tweet. They're going to start sending you farming jobs too now..
I know what you mean though. I worked in a department we called a NOC once, but it was nothing like a traditional NOC, so now I'm constantly receiving messages about cisco jobs
@TIG_IslingtonS With the best will in the world, they've got the volume, you haven't. It's you guys that need to put the legwork in, otherwise we're all screwed
So @BorisJohnson wants to lead the country but is too much of a special snowflake to turn up and answer questions he might not like? Must be a day ending in 'y'.
Populistic twat won't last in office, its the damage he'll do in that short time thats the issue
So, don't run against the LDs (splitting the remain vote) until the Brexit madness is over. You aren't going to be able to change anything if Brexit goes through because the Remain vote split across parties. https://twitter.com/TIG_IslingtonS/status/1140197833481605120
@1963_jackie@DnellStephen@Amanita_virosa1@Channel4News So having completely undermined the Parliamentary democracy that's defined our country for well over 100yrs, what would you replace it with? Your tagline says "get our country back", but you've just disregarded one of the defining features because it suits you
@Amanita_virosa1@Tracie1970hello@DnellStephen@Channel4News And there we have the single argument that gets used - "we won". Never any plan on how to implement in a way that doesn't fuck everyone. Just crying and whining its not been implemented yet, with even more crying about how the implementation - Mays deal - wasnt Brexity enough
@Tracie1970hello@DnellStephen@Amanita_virosa1@Channel4News Yeah ok, because Brexiters have been able to make a single cogent argument about the benefits of Brexit rather than having to constantly change the definition of what people actually voted for? It's not remainers that are deluded
@DnellStephen@Amanita_virosa1@Channel4News Odd to talk about respecting democracy whilst defending a MP who said he'd close Parliament to make sure he gets his way. I'm also not the one with a handle talking about protecting people who've been very well protected for centuries from a world thats woken up to their lies
@Amanita_virosa1@DnellStephen@Channel4News If you want to talk Brexit fear, Raab would be the one to watch out for. He's still a self-serving lying scumbag, but he's proven himself less likely to screw up than Boris. Not that that's a high bar
@Amanita_virosa1@DnellStephen@Channel4News But Boris has proven, repeatedly that he's incapable of doing the job he's supposed to be. He won't be a potent PM, he'll be a blundering dangerous one. Because that's what Boris is, a blundering buffoon who tries to blag his way through everything. 1/
It amazes me just how well the @conservatives are getting away with this. Everyone said, when the Torys announced the change, that this'd be the outcome, yet its the BBC taking the flack. Helps to have the Torygraph lead I guess
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48647548
@ProperDemocrat@DnellStephen@Channel4News In which case you're a moron. Look at what politicians offer, do and say, not how some people you disagree with react to them. The things they object to are equally as capable of fucking you over, and only and idiot would vote blindly
@DnellStephen@davebromage@robster38@roger_lfc@Channel4News He's previously made homophobic comments.They were the victims of a homophobic atrack while he's running to be PM. Whilst not directly related it's not like there's no overlap
@Amanita_virosa1@DnellStephen@Channel4News People also fear the plague, are you going to go and catch that too? That someone you disagree with fears something doesn't make it the right thing. Sometimes they see a danger you're unwilling to see.
Boris though, is a lying bell end. But then, they basically all are
@DrGrumble@djnicholl@JuliaHB1 > Threatening to shoot yourself in both feet never works well in negotiations.
Particularly when one of the outcomes of doing so is a shortage of medicine.
The analogy is perfect for this thread...
I think he means stop spewing shit and maybe try looking at the whole picture once in a while. Like ITT Ignoring the position of the medical profession and talking only about the views of some civil servants who agree with your view as though they were fact. https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1139658125823397889
@Helen_V100@janemerrick23 Maybe, but that takes time, and if your primary motivation for voting Change at the moment is staying in the EU then that's time ill-afforded. Better to vote Lib Dem now to try and stop Brexit, and then look at Change after.
@JamesfWells@snigskitchen@Otto_English Well perhaps you should start by realising that means the issue isn't the EU, but is actually at home? And that you have been telling people to oppose something you haven't taken the time to understand
@joeyizzy@danbarker It's not clear how well you could apply GDPR to that directly, to be fair, but it is still a form of collateral damage of insidious user tracking like this and companies that do it need to be hit hard IMO. /END
@joeyizzy@danbarker Although the article focuses on the user of the app, there's also the question of others in the pub. If during the recording someone shouts my name across the bar *and* the app decided football is being watched, you've now got coincidental data tying me to that pub 3/
@joeyizzy@danbarker Which whilst clever, is a pretty consumer hostile thing to do. Despite their protestations that "AEPD" hasn't learnt how the function works, they've ignored that GDPR (rightly) cares about the outcome and not the weasly ways things like this are implemented. 2/
@joeyizzy@danbarker Nah what they're doing is using the Mic to identify whether you're currently watching football, and if the AI decides you are, they then collect your location to work out where you are.
So they're basically filtering locations down to users they believe to be watching footy 1/
@ZacGoldsmith Yep, everyone will have ample chance to get to know their neighbours better, and unite against Boris while they're queuing at the foodbanks.
He's an incompetent lying scroat, and you must know it because it's impossible not to see.
The man who can't tell a Merc from a Skoda, or read a simple instruction on a screen claims others can't cope with Reality...
Shouldn't imagine he'll be an MEP long, with the grasp on reality he's got he'll probably drown in the bath because the taps were the wrong way round https://twitter.com/LanceForman/status/1138708071352590336
So, the one Tory that appeared to be at least semi-sane is going to leave the door open for one of his colleagues to cause a constitutional outrage. Conservative party really is fucked, and they're taking the country down with them https://twitter.com/RoryStewartUK/status/1138511590846803974
The Home Office has never been interested in hearing what experts say. At most, they've been quietly concerned that experts might say something that disagrees with what the HO has already decided to do. @ukhomeoffice're interested in validation, not critical thinking or debate https://twitter.com/ameliagentleman/status/1138428971245346816
@TheRegister Though, this particular instance is, of course, the Government going far further than is required without thinking properly about the potential consequences.
@TheRegister It's not like it's the cost of simply minting each coin, there's an energy cost involved in verifying every single transaction, with each block getting harder and harder to mine
@TheRegister so a currency that requires increasing amount of energy just to work is unlikely to have much of a future, at least until we've done a much, much better job of generating with renewables. Until then carbon taxes will likely push the cost of mining right up
Briefly got excited by the title, then saw "Bethesda" in there, then looked at the pics of the Gameplay.
I'll give that a miss
Bethesda revives ‘80s PC series <em>Commander Keen</em> as a... free-to-play mobile game https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1519239
@lunaperla@Jeremy_Hunt I think you've just described the history of the Conservative party to be fair. We'll probably all be better off for it once they've finished destroying themselves, the question is how much damage they're going to do on the way out.
The IWF does have a history of saying "fuck privacy" to be fair, along with their history of fucking up and blocking things they shouldn't
When it comes to DNS over HTTPS, it's privacy in excess, frets UK child exploitation watchdog https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/06/10/iwf_dns_https/ via #DoH' rel='nofollow noopener' target=_blank>@theregister
#DoH
Yeah I mean, why would they be depressed and axious. Not like they're seeing a generation thats fucked the planet now working on fucking our economy. A generation thats already lived their life and reaped the benefits they're now intent on denying others. https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1137779168702291968
@midgequan@jessphillips Can we not just pour a massive amount of money into Mental Health Services and then start treating Conservatism as the mental health issue it so clearly is?
> event’s Facebook page linked to a website offering free T-shirts for attendees... site was later revealed to be an antifascist sting against Sahady and his compatriots, some of whom had accidentally handed their names and addresses over to their ideological enemies.
Brilliant https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1137525023432945666
We're seeing an increase in US style politics here in the UK. This is where you end up further down the line - with someone facing 20 years for giving food, water and shelter to people *in a desert*. Why? Because they're the "wrong" people. https://twitter.com/NoMoreDeaths/status/1137081636086927360
A reminder, once again - @UKLabour is a #Brexit party. The membership might be primarily Remain, but the leadership and his sycophants are Brexiters. Every Brexit is a harmful one, and Labour are as fucked up internally as the Tories around Brexit. They need to get shot of Corbyn https://twitter.com/Suewilson91/status/1137459915625246721
@DamianCollins@NimkoAli@Telegraph You've confused the word feminist for the word cunt there Damian. Boris is a lying untrustworthy cunt - perfect leadership for today's Tory party
@hacks4pancakes Sometimes there really are 2 very different sides to people, and there can be some pretty horrific stuff hidden away. But it's hard not to beat yourself up for not realising something you couldn't possibly hace realised. Even looking back I don't see any real warning signs
@hacks4pancakes Turns out he slept with a 14yr old whilst there. The investigation into that revealed he'd also previously abused 2 10 year old boys he'd been babysitting. Never would have known he'd have secrets like that. Took me quite a long time to process and come to terms with
@hacks4pancakes I used to work 12hr shifts with a guy who's doing time now. We were a small team and everyone got on well. Then he returned from a customer visit in the US and said he couldn't go back and I was asked to go in his place...
The scary thing is that most probably aren't stupid, but are trying to ride a wave of populism.
Which makes them not stupid, but downright dangerous.
e.g. I don't for a second believe Mcvey is stupid, which makes her approach all the worse - she actually believes her poison https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1136593320870862853
This is often me in Tesco's.
People complain about self-service tills and how they'd rather be served by a person. By the time Friday comes around, I just want not to have to interact with someone.
Downside is, it does mean interacting with yet another computer... https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1136981545552625664
@BarrattPeter You know, it's a bit of a red flag when that name comes up... But, if you're interested in links & funding, go lookup up the the links between Brexit politicians and the US conservative right. And of course, there's Bannon. Either way, it's septics interfering in our democracy
@BarrattPeter So presumably, you also agree that questions have to be asked - properly - whether funding for BP has come from overseas? And the same for Banks' ref fund? Not necessarily resulting in overturning anything, but ensuring there was no foreign interference? Same goes remain side btw
@BarrattPeter It wouldn't just happen overnight. Death by a thousand cuts just as the Tories do, accepting bad terms in trade agreements particularly with the US. Eventually they'll tell us the NHS is no longer fit for purpose, and at that point most will agree.
@BarrattPeter@MoggMentum Though thats as much journos as voters, MPs just don't seem to ger called out on things anymore. I mean, look at Corbyn too. For all the claims of media smear campaigns he doesn't get challenged much either
@BarrattPeter@MoggMentum True, though I feel like we're also holding MPs to account a lot less. Take Boris for example, the mans a complete cunt: fucked up the case of a British citizen held in Iran, lies more often than he craps and he can't seem to complete a single project. Does he get called on it?
@BarrattPeter All that is, really is an argument that the result is even more likely to be unsound. I assume you object to Trump commenting on Brexit too?
@BarrattPeter His first fund was, what about the next one he created? Banks is in insurance, you can be damn sure he'll pivot to health. Outsourcing the way the Tories have is bad, but nothing compared to what's coming if Farage has his way. The end of free at PoD - hes been open about that
@BarrattPeter@MoggMentum 100% agreed on that, for what its worth. Tories and Labour both deserve a sound kicking, and the destruction of the 2 party system might be the one good thing to come out of this. We're on opposite sides of the fence but neither party has served either of us
@BarrattPeter in fact, whilst being funded by someone who sells insurance *and* appears to have broken Electoral law during the ref. You support Brexit, fine. How do you justify allowing them to effectively buy results? Where do you draw the line? What about when the result is against you?
@BarrattPeter Some do, some dont. More than a view value their own pockets over the wellbeing of their constituents & that is why they're backing Brexit. Never wondered why Mogg set up funds in Dublin? Or why Farage talks about privatising NHS while being funded by someone who sells insurance?
@BarrattPeter@MoggMentum They're getting annihilated either way, though it may not be by BP. BP managed just a little better than UKIPs 2014 peak in the EU elections, and how'd they do at the GE's? Despite good marketing, BP are still fringe enough for FPTP voting to fuck them
@BarrattPeter@MoggMentum Thats the dumbest thing I've read today. If you block the tory remainers from standing the tories will not get a majority. Brexit nutjobs are going to vote BP anyway. Hell, even without blocking remainers the Tories stand to lose a GE
@DamianCollins@BackBoris > Only Boris Johnson can restore trust and excitement in our politics
Oh god, it's worse than I thought...
Only someone currently being prosecuted for being a liar, Someone who worsened the situation for a british national in foreign custody, can restore trust in politics?
@Nominet@TheRegister Particularly stupid when it's already been obvious for years that Nominet has become a money grubbing inscrutable org that's removed all transparency at board level and funded new commercial ventures by charging existing registrants more. This is just another brick in the wall
There's something quite insidious about the comment in this story that mutilating your cat is "about freedom and convenience" for (some) americans...
BBC News - Cat declawing: Should it be banned, and why does it happen in the US? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-48528968
@Vikingjohnny@Emz4Corbyn@jeremycorbyn Ok, so following that through to it's inevitable conclusion, who are we going to buy? I don't have the money in my budget to buy a Morgan, don't know about you?
@Emz4Corbyn@Kat_Says_Stuff@blepharon@CharlieParish1@Gordon1000@jeremycorbyn In fact, the difficulties caused by Corbyn around Brexit are quite well underlined by the fact that when people were tallying votes from the EU ref, no-one could agree whether they were "remain" or "leave", so most people disregarded them when comparing the two
@Emz4Corbyn@Kat_Says_Stuff@blepharon@CharlieParish1@Gordon1000@jeremycorbyn Other parties have taken an actual position on Brexit - the Lib Dems have taken one that doesn't align with the referendum. Corbyn has wasted time trying to triangulate voters, and screwed the lot of us in the process. Corbyn has enabled an incompetent government to do it's evil
@ledbydonkeys@cliodiaspora@politicshome@DominicRaab Yes.
Although, based on things written and said about him by friends and colleagues, it sounds like Raab is a self-serving liar who'd sell out his own family if it meant he got ahead. He'll do well within the current rank of Tories...
For fuck sake.
If no-one in Government truly has seen evidence that interference may have occurred then it's presumably because they haven't been looking. Otherwise it can only be... what's that word... corruption that holds them back from launching an inquiry to establish facts https://twitter.com/richbsys/status/1136155258869207041
@LouiseRidley Which, to be fair, is a pretty valid risk, especially at night. But, who would leave someone dying rather than help because it might mean touching their chest? I guess the figures answer that... too many people
@LouiseRidley When I did my First Aid training the aspect of chest touching was explicitly mentioned. Though more in the context of making sure to yell for help regularly, otherwise someone coming round the corner may mistake the scene for you groping an unconscious woman
So, from the figures given, it looks a lot like we already have great access to the US market without having to surrender the NHS to them, or lower our food safety standards....
So what we'd actually be doing, is giving up some of the benefits of our current trading relationship https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1135487778404360192
Am I glad though, that I didn't give them my phone number to set up SMS 2FA? There're a bunch of SMS based marketing things that their interface complains I'm not signed up to
In case anyone's wondering why I'd use GoDaddy in the first place, it's because I've been delegated access to sort something for someone - which requires that you create a @godaddy account, at which point it seems they go all American with your data
What about for the cookies you're using for "Personalized product recommendations and discounts"? Looking in settings it won't even let me untick that one
@GoDaddy Oooo, and as a EU citizen, I'm a little pissed that GoDaddy thought it was OK to opt me into marketing emails by default. How do you fancy sending me proof of consent as required by GDPR @godaddy?
@digitalocean aren't have a great week with automated systems it seems. First there was the thread below, and now they've accidentally sent "why did you leave" surveys to active users after discontinuing the datasource their leavers script used to work how who to mail.... https://twitter.com/w3Nicolas/status/1134529316904153089
@Cremedelamenthe@Support_j_a@robinkellett@greekemmy And if it was a means of then getting onwards extradition to the US, the US wouldn't have asked the UK for him. Not to mention, under the terms of the EAW, Sweden would *still* need to ask us for permission.
@davidallengreen@NilsMelzer@UN In fact, that foundation has cracked more now that the US has asked us for him, as they could always have done, yet the Swedish still want him. Almost like the Swedes want him to face justice for crimes he allegedly committed there, rather than as a pretext to send him to the US
@davidallengreen@NilsMelzer@UN It's basically a follow-on working on the assumption that their original finding that Assange was being arbitrarily detained, rather than having detained himself, wasn't bollocks. In that context, it sort of makes sense, the problem is the foundation they're building upon is shit
@IrExit2019@Marina_Sirtis She's a product of her overly conservative christian upbringing combined with some pretty heavy bigotry. It's turned her into a complete twatwaffle, so if you intend to excuse every fucked up thing she says you're gonna have to give up the dayjob
@IrExit2019@Marina_Sirtis You clearly want to leave the EU, and thats up to you. But, you're going to have to make peace with who Widdecombe is & what she believes. She's never been reserved about it. If you voted BXP then you supported her & your attempt to bullshit away her comments doesn't change that
@IrExit2019@Marina_Sirtis Supported it so much she voted against it, and has regularly spoken out about her views. Her statement is a surprise to no-one who remembers her time in power, and its bloody clear what she means.
@alexanderhanff Mine sits at about 12% but thats only because every browser in the house has an adblocker installed. That 12% is mostly apps trying to load ads and send metrics, and we're a fairly app light network
@JakeArmistead@PointlessBrexit@OwenJones84@Labour4EU Except coming out clearly on one side or the other. Instead they've cynically been trying to triangulate instead, losing a big chunk of support in the process. Talk of a "jobs first" Brexit just makes them sound like unicorn chasing Tories to be honest
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion Nothing would have happened this time if it hadn't been crowdfunded & brought privately. T'aint the CPS or Electoral Commission whove brought it. I think we should be asking why MPs never see any ramifications though - inquiries into MPs never seem to amount to anything
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion That doesnt make them right, but it does make them that much harder to prosecute, because you'd have to argue about whether they were even lies first.
I thought a good chunk of you Brexiters wanted to "take back control". Part of that means holding politicians to account
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion So, because someone else wasn't prosecuted we just shouldn't bother, ever?
Personally, I'd put Blair in the dock tomorrow FWIW.
Those others are all predictions of the future, not statements of fact. They're saying what will/might happen, rather than lying about the present. 1/
@DanInLids@ocbot@NHSMillion Definitely not as catchy though, would've needed a bendy bus. But if they wanted to keep it catchy they could have used the real number, so *shrug*
@DeanFletcher70@NHSMillion As opposed to a multi-millionaire insurance guy funding a campaign full of question marks during the referendum, whilst breaching spending rules and allegedly sourcing funds from outside the uk? Yeah, people chipping in to prosecute 1 of the liars involved seems so suspect...
@catchingthem@NHSMillion Osbourne could argue he didn't know he wouldnt then do an emerg budget. Boris used the correct figure in interviews at the time, he knew 350m wasn't correct. They are somewhat different cases. Blair? Prosecute the fucker
@catchingthem@NHSMillion Nust because they haven't been is not an argument for not pursuing someone who lied during campaigning for one of the biggest acts of supposed democracy this country has seen. If anything its an argument for why we need to start taking this shit seriously
@ocbot@NHSMillion The case isn't about the fact the money isn't going to the NHS. It's about the 350m figure itself. He knew we don't send that much and used it any way. Certain right wingers want us to believe it's about the NHS part so they can claim its an attack on political speech
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion Where exactly *do* you draw the line? From where I'm sat, Boris using a large figure he knew to be incorrect is pretty far past it
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion So if Corbyn was to campaign saying he'd costed out reducing taxes by 50% without impacting services, you'd be Ok with that? Or if a remainer won by saying they'd no-deal when really they planned to revoke A50?
@Scotttaylor2902@taitig5times@NHSMillion So,on your sample size of 1 you're going to say you're happy for politicians to lie during campaigns? Not give an opinion, but use numbers they know to be wrong? Thats what the case is about.
@KrpanZach@arstechnica The thing that's most stupid about it... I used to swear by @Samsung devices. But I tried other manufacturers because of issues with the S7 & came to realise just how many annoyances Samsungs kit has. I'm never going back, and nor will anyone else they push away with this
@geoffmiller2984@Jacq65Simpson@LeaveEUOfficial@DrPhillipLeeMP They still haven't realisedthat deselection isn't the weapon they think it is. If they deselect sane MPs it doesnt follow that voters will automatically vote for their insane replacements.
David Cameron's true legacy - fostering UKIP entryism into the Tories and destroying his party as a result. In trying to heal the 40 year crack in his party he's fucked the country and destroyed the one thing he was trying to protect https://twitter.com/DrPhillipLeeMP/status/1134811478668840961
@mobileck@eugeniyoz@w3Nicolas@digitalocean@raisupcom That's an argument for locking them out of their account. It's not an argument for stopping all of their instances (including those that weren't behaving "suspiciously") without advance notification.
DO did both, and it's that 2nd one that makes then unusable in production
@KateOflaherty You remember when we all used to publish "Use Firefox" messages at the top of pages, visible only to IE users? Maybe we should do the same now for Chrome users, with a message explaining why we're loading extra ads for them and that it won't happen on other browsers.....
@JJCaprice1@ABridgen What people like Bridgen are complaining about is that politicians might not be allowed to lie to the population any more. They're trying to frame it as political speech though, because it suits their narrative.
@JJCaprice1@ABridgen No, it's worse than that.
He *knew* we don't send £350m a week to the EU. He knew the number was a lie (he quoted the correct number during a TV interview), but still used it.
It's not the promise to give to the NHS that's the issue, it's the use of the 350m figure
@DotProto@wottow@justinschuh@BRIAN_____@TheRegister@mikewest@fugueish But, tbf, it does feel like I've only really heard one side of the argument. I see claims by the Chrome devs that this change is an improvement, but not seen any data reported to substantiate that claim. How many users get hit by privacy sucking exts vs those hit by malvertising?
@DotProto@wottow@justinschuh@BRIAN_____@TheRegister@mikewest@fugueish From my perspective, if Chrome makes changes that mean my adblocker doesn't work as effectively, it's Chrome that goes on the trash pile. Ublock is an extension I care about, in many ways the browser's just a replaceable framework that's valueless without the extensions I require
@DotProto@wottow@justinschuh@BRIAN_____@TheRegister@mikewest@fugueish The whole start of this, though, was that declarativeNetRequest wasn't anywhere near suitable (it didn't even accept dynamic rules when announced). I know you've made some improvements, but it still seems very much like you're not listening to the extension devs
@BRIAN_____@justinschuh@TheRegister@mikewest@fugueish That's also the impression I've got too. It feels very much like someone in Google has gone "no, they're wrong... but we need to appear to be working with them" and are doing the minimum.
Perhaps that's unfair, but it's how it looks
@armybike@BarristerSecret How elitist of you, to expect that she actually read or listen before making comments. People like you are the reason people rebelled and voted Brexit Party. People like that are the reason the BP logo had to be a massive fucking arrow pointing at the box
@CharlieYidz@KevGeo2011@SkyNews Quite right, we should avoid fads/fashions and teach the world as it is. That includes teaching them that LGBT exist, always have done, and that it's not a normal thing.
Maybe we should stop teaching them about sky fairies at the same time.
@wagamama_uk out of curiosity, why does your booking form force lowercase and prevent me capitalising the first letter of my name?
Yet, I can enter my name as 💩
It's a really, really odd thing to do....
US remakes of classic British shows are always shit. A rewrite with female leads might introduce enough difference to give a small chance, but why not just write something new?
#Peepshow means Peepshow
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48423181
@devils_avocet@SebDance Had the tories and labour (in particular) been less shit in general I think the outcome could have been quite different. The no-deal side didnt have to deal with vote split (given UKIPs implosion) but Remain did
@devils_avocet@SebDance But, and this is important, what he's proposing does not have the support of the majority who voted in the EU elections. If you adjust for the lower turnout he's still lost the support of a good chunk of that 17.4 million
So not only does my @NETGEAR wifi range extender deliberately intercept DNS (so that you can use https://mywifiext.com/ to hit its admin interface), it's also sat trying to hit their NTP server and ignoring the dhcp provided one. Don't like don't like don't like
@bt_uk@Jigsaw@Xiaomi@AlecMuffett I think this is a reasonable argument in favour of DNS resolution happening at the app level: #comment2521366' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://projects.bentasker.co.uk/jira_projects/browse/MISC-32.html#comment2521366
Previously I viewed applications implementing DoH as a side effect of lack of OS level support for Do[T|H], but now I think it may be beneficial
Basically, if you're relying on #Intra to send your queries onto a #DoH server, and you're running #MIUI, you may find you've a false sense of #security. Just because Intra is in the notification bar, doesn't mean it's working.
Solution is detailed here - #comment2521360' target=_blank rel='nofollow noopener'>https://projects.bentasker.co.uk/jira_projects/browse/MISC-32.html#comment2521360
@Dashedchris@BettybumBurke@UKLabour Tbh, I think there's a very real risk he'd lose a GE if he managed to trigger one tomorrow. Even if he came out and made his position clear there are a lot of disenfranchised labour voters who can't trust that he'll stick to it. Tbh, Labour is in crisis as much as the tories
@Dashedchris@BettybumBurke@UKLabour The problem with that is the current leader won't even publicly take a position on Brexit. Asking people to back him on that basis is asking for blind faith which, frankly, he hasn't earned. Tonight could have been very different for Labour, its not like there wasn't warning
@TessKin76836035@EmmaKennedy In my area, the Tories dropped 18%, and only a few percent of that went to Brexit Party. So they took the ukip votes and a slither of Tory, but remain parties (read LD and Green) seem to have had far better gains than them as a %age
@Dashedchris@BettybumBurke@UKLabour So your saying he's abandoned the euroscepticism that he's held for most of his career, and is no longer harping on about a jobs-first brexit as if such a thing were possible? The kindest I can really say of him is he's the right leader at totally the wrong time
@Dashedchris@BettybumBurke@UKLabour He's still to explain though, just how the fuck he's going to end any of that when all our resources are tied up trying to cope with the Brexit he wants to deliver. I truly believe he does want to end those things, but he won't have the capability because he also wants Brexit
@shearersbuddy@jessphillips Sadly I don't think it will, if anything it'll be viewed as another chance to get a GE, which they then risk gifting to the Tories by continuing to triangulate.
@shearersbuddy@jessphillips If the local elections are any indicator it won't wake the leadership. Theyll claim it as proof people are pissed that they haven't delivered Brexit yet.
@Reign_86_@jessphillips Exactly that. Party policy can change, but I'm a long way past the point of trusting the the front bench would honour it in good faith. Brexit's too important an issue to take that risk
Can fairly reliably repro with a non existent domain. Guess Intra does let queries fall through if the DoH lookup isn't successful. Means leakage is silent if an adversary blocks the DoH server... dangerous
There's definitely some leakage going on. Out and someone's house and just accidentally refreshed a tab open on one of my internal domains (Doh server can resolve it). Got greeted by BT's NXDOMAIN interception page. Shouldn't happen ever if DoH is being used
@JohnApplebyLD@rafaelbehr To be fair, her conduct as Home Secretary killed off any sympathy I might have had for her well before she became PM. She was never a good choice for PM, she was just better than the competition. Sadly that's likely going to be true of her successor
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins I don't really see a way. The problem is, Farage was always going to scream Betrayal, it's how he galvanises support. So a soft-Brexit would face similar opposition to remain, and create similar division. At least if people are asked in a 2nd ref there's a chance of an answer
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins so that an actual discussion can be had. Sadly, I don't see that happening, particularly given the factions who benefit from stirring it up. Very few people gave a crap about the EU before 2016, and given time, I suspect similarly few will again. But how do you break that cycle?
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins perhaps someone more competent than May could come up with a compromise. Her deal is dreadful. To get much better we'd need to give ground on Customs Union or similar, and we've already seen how well that's received. I don't know how, the nation needs to break of the hysteria 2/
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins Oh I agree, we're a long way from the worst it can be. The problem with soft brexit as a solution is that the leave side (in particular) is being whipped up against it. Farage appears to have succeeded in making it seem the unthinkable (WTO) was always the aim 1/
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins But we don't repair *any* of that harm by continuing down a course where we're either going out No Deal, or Parliament unilaterally revokes A50. Both of those do more harm than a 2nd ref. There is a risk it'll be equally inconclusive, of course, but there are mitigations for that
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins A 2nd ref would at least confirm the current feeling of the people. It's not a panacea though, either way the political harm that the 1st (and conduct around it) caused needs to be repaired. And of course, the existing problems which led to so many protest votes 3/
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins People might listen to Farage's claims about democracy now, but when they're struggling to make ends meet during a recession they're likely to look back from a very different perspective. Who'd trust politics after being dragged out on WTO terms? 2/
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins > politics will be poisoned for a generation
Honestly? I think we're already there. There're serious questions surrounding conduct during & since the ref. It also looks more like we'll No Deal. Dragging the UK into economic turmoil without double-checking will destroy politics 1/
@adamlje@RichardDawkins Technically it wasn't the MEPs who did that. It was the European Council. And we (the UK) pushed fucking hard in support of Article 13.
@elnorte77@MackemMark73@RichardDawkins If Corbyn gets a larger percentage, he'll claim it as support for his vision of Brexit and press on with it. If you want to Remain, vote for a Remain party like LD, Greens or CHUK. Either way, Farage is going to be a gobshite and make demands
@JohnDoole@RichardDawkins The LD's went into coalition with the Tories 9 years ago, under a different leader. Corbyn's leader and facilitating Brexit now. How about you make that compromise letting go of the past and acting on current information?
@BeanStalkHiker@TheWordOf_KC@RichardDawkins Does it really matter if Labour beat the Brexit Party if Labour then use that "support" to help us leave the EU anyway? Trying to gaslight voters with claims that not voting Labour lets the fascists win ignores the fact that this is a mess of the Labour leadership's making
Whether or not you agree with Amazon being given the TLD, it's hard to deny that it's ICANN, once again, who have fucked up throughtout
Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord ICANN runs out of excuses to delay decision any further https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/
@Crazyninjaguy@TheRegister It stole the crumpets man... the crumpets. What will they put their butter on now?
I'd have ditched the scallops too to be fair
@DoeMember@BBCNews Plastic Bad
Plastic Stirrers bad
Government say no more
Start April 2020
It's not that long a page ffs, and the first 3 sentences summarises it.
@Morrisons still have plastic stirrers with their take-away coffee. They listened to an old couple complaining about not being able to get a meat pie before 9am and made their employees get up earlier as a result, but still haven't switched over to wooden stirrers.... https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1130989950797848576
@Tucker5law@ChairChap ^ this
One of the tactics they use is to try and given the impression that [fact] is under debate. They do it with Climate Change too, trying to give the impression the scientific community is arguing, rather than it being a tiny, tiny minority who dissent. 1/
@indy_singh_uk@SeanWrightSec And whilst all this is going on, the Home Office are working on redefining treason *and* giving themselves the power to remove Jurors who they feel might sympathise with the accused. You saw the headlines about them starting a register of spies? Same bill (The Espionage Bill).
@ledbydonkeys@Martin_Durkin@RogerHelmerMEP It's just a reminder that Brexit is a right-wing project, backed by rich right-wingers, a good chunk of whom are foreign themselves. They can't even be arsed to adjust their propaganda for the territory they're targeting, but they want your vote to "protect" democracy.
@ledbydonkeys@Martin_Durkin@RogerHelmerMEP Not that it should surprise anyone that Brendan O'Neill is acting as a US stooge again. But it's pretty fucking dishonest to go "it's fine & legal, look at them" whilst pointing to a country with a completely different legal system. And he's not so thick that he won't know that
@ledbydonkeys@Martin_Durkin@RogerHelmerMEP Given BP seem to be treating this like US politics - lies, populism & pushing for splits on partisan lines - it's telling that the examples of liberals in that post are all American. O'Neill is British, so is the Spectator. Yet he can't find any British examples to hold up?
@KubaKluk_8@petrinajc@BentleyAudrey It's also a completely cuntish thing to do for the finale of a 10 year series. Saw his comment yesterday before it aired, what a complete and utter fucking bellend. So, in a weird way I'm glad the ending was kinda anti-climatic, at least it wasn't a good ending that got ruined
@raffy158@votes_17@guyverhofstadt Funny though, that the criticism of them is the same on both sides. Brexit will (in my view) hurt working class more than others. So Labour facilitating Brexit still means they've abandoned the working class. They've tried to attract both sides, and lost both instead
@raffy158@votes_17@guyverhofstadt Agreed. The majority of the party seems to be pro-remain, but leadership can't take (and stick to) a position. We know Corbyn is anti-EU, but he's too busy trying to play both sides. He's been a complete gift to May, she'd have gone long ago with competent opposition
@raffy158@votes_17@guyverhofstadt Did you genuinely just retweet a post claiming we'd have to scrap the UK armed forces? Are you in fact a parody account?
@votes_17@raffy158@guyverhofstadt Basically, we'll end up with both sides claiming victory, based on different criteria. Cos I reckon its still a close run thing as far as pop vote goes. So this time next week things'll be as bollocksed as they are now. But hopefully Corbyn'll fuck off and May will leave
@votes_17@raffy158@guyverhofstadt I suspect pro-Brexit votes (i.e. BP, UKIP & Tory) will be outnumbered by anti-Brexit, depending in part on how you decide to count Labour, but BP will get more seats - they're more organised and don't have the vote split problem in the way pro-remain do.
@votes_17@raffy158@guyverhofstadt If you mean May's deal, no Remainer voted for that either. It is Brexit in the sense we'll leave the EU, but it really is the worst form of Brexit you could create. All the drawbacks of both sides without any of the positives. As for this week, fully expect BP to do very well
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt The US being a prime example. Take the Huawei storm at the moment - typical tradewar stuff - but if we eant a deal we'll have to accept provisos that accept our soveriegnty in some way. That will likely extend to healthcare too (note that Nigel is anti-NHS too)
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt and they, of course, disclose their actual policies. Granted they may not keep those promises, but you at least have some idea of what you're voting for. On your reason for Brexit, that's fair enough, but have you considered the impact of future trade deals on that aim?
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt Most don't have half a mil poured into them from a single donor and then attempt to avoid disclosing. Most don't structure there donation page in such a way as to make it trivial to silently bypass limits. I'm not suggesting others are clean, but they're nowhere near as bad. 1/
@paulpither1@raffy158@guyverhofstadt I point you to his mark for leave just for a start.
To be fair though. despite talking a load of bollocks most of the time, he is charismatic and has shown he can encourage a good turnout when it matters - polling day.
Just seems he cant get a decent turnout at "big" events
@samjon_es@raffy158@guyverhofstadt Yes, to some of us it does rather seem like Nige has sold out in all aspects of his life.
Sorry, not constructive but it really was an open goal
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt He lies & then rants when he's called on it. Claims to be working class whilst living a lifestyle many of us would dream of. Basically he's bent in ways that even our current shitshower of "mainstream" MPs don't manage. So, is it that Brexit overrides these concerns in your mind?
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt I mean, he's literally asking for your vote on the basis he'll give you his manifesto after. He's linked to and funded by people who broke electoral law, Has misused funds, and received funding and support from some pretty extreme characters
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt The reason I ask, is I can see why some might think Brexit is the answer to various problems. I just see different solutions. What I can't get my head around, is why people can't see the danger that Nigel n his mates potentially present to our democracy.
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt By which I mean, the Tories have fucked it up, Labour would too. UKIPs made itself toxic, so that just leaves BP if you're pro-leave. But if some other party were properly pro Brexit would you be voting for them instead? Or do Farrages dubious connections not concern you
@samjon_es@daily_hate_mail@raffy158@guyverhofstadt a lot more people in the UK than just huddersfield, to be fair.But, genuine question - why are you supporting Brexit? 2nd question: why are you supporting Nigel given his dubious funding and lack of transparency? Do you support him, or is it the lack of viable pro-Brexit options?
@raffy158@guyverhofstadt Well, thats a lie by the BP straight off the bat. Lab party's leadership is pro-brexit. But you're right, democracy has been betrayed. It happened a few years back. Why are you backing someone who was involved & won't even tell you what his policies are? Hardly democratic that
@Cookson5Ed@guyverhofstadt@brexitparty_uk Out of curiosity, putting Brexit aside completely for a sec. Were you a little bit sick in your mouth when you realised you'd have to vote for Widdecomb in order to support the BP in your area?
@raffy158@guyverhofstadt Nige never seems to quite get the turnout that he hopes for does he? Almost like a good proportion of that 17.4m have seen through his lies, or didn't vote for the kind of Brexit he's pushing
Talks about the working class and then tweets a pic of a loaded posh twat who likes to gob off and pretend he's one of the working class. Just more lies for you, and all in the name of screwing the working class over to make some rich fucks like Banks a few more quid https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1129663652901134336
Helmer has sunk so low that in the 9 hours since this tweet, not even a bot has agreed with him in the comments. Imagine trying to speak for the brave who defended this country & Europe whilst trying to make the UK take the cowards route out because of perceived european problems https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1129669085938237440
@Darzil01@jessphillips Most people are just one or two paychecks away from disaster as they say. In the past, I was working full time but employer started failing to pay my salary. You really don't have much real turnaround time to counter that yourself...
Thread well worth a read.
It's fine to criticise @facebook for their many #privacy shortcomings. This isn't one though, this is a bug pure and simple. Those happen. Sometimes they lead to data being exfiltrated. This wasn't something Zuck wanted, it's not a business objective https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1129675835445796864
It still might be something else, but if I'm right, that's worrying. @Jigsaw initially made this app for places like China, but running on a Chinese branded phone we get DNS leakage onto the local network (and from there onto upstream resolvers in full view of ISPs)
So, given the lack of log entries (even of idle activity) from my phone on my DoH server, I'm inclined to think the Battery Saver may have killed of the VPN connection that Intra uses to intercept DNS.
Just for avoidance of doubt, #Intra does allow you to exclude apps from being sent to the DoH server. I have a couple ticked, though none should have resulted in those queries. The Niantic queries in the log must have come from Pokemon Go which definitely isn't excluded
On the other hand, the things been on charge all night and most of the morning, so the idea the app would even need suspending to save battery is insane. But, thinking about it, when I picked the phone up the VPN icon was missing from the top right for a few secs
Actually not that. I thought Intra might be another victim of #MIUI's insanely aggressive battery saver, but it's disabled. That said, MIUI's optimisation has been known to kill of the system's GPS service, so it's still possible it's the battery saver.... https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1129696586391576576/photo/1
Ah, so, looking at it, queries from #Intra at the #DoH server from my phone start at 09:52 UTC this morning. Just after I'd noticed those pi-hole entries (times there are BST) and picked my phone up to check it. I *may* know what this is now https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1129696578867011584/photo/1
Wondered if perhaps Intra falls through to local if it receives a result it didn't expect (like 0.0.0.0), but Qs like https://graph.facebook.com/ wouldn't result in that kind of result. Doesn't *appear* to be sending to DoH & onto the network routinely, so guess need to check logs
@jfarebrrother1@cliodiaspora@richardjbellamy@jeremycorbyn@UKLabour Ultimately this is all a mess of the leadership's making. With luck, the message might get through, but I'm not hopeful given there's been no shortage of messages and Corbyn's interpreted his own way every time. For me, Labour is dead as a party at least until brexit is sorted.
@jfarebrrother1@cliodiaspora@richardjbellamy@jeremycorbyn@UKLabour True, but having the wrong arses on seats is very harmful. At the moment, that includes Labour, because of the Leadership's position on Brexit. Labour votes in the GE were already claimed as supporting Corbyn's plan, I suspect most aren't willing to risk him doing that again
So @slipknot totally seem to have hashtagged their Album Wank (just spelt it wrong). Expect any tshirts carrying it to be more popular than expected here in the UK.
#Unsainted is pretty good though #wanyk#Slipknot
@AbeSnowman@cybergibbons See I find that weird. At con's I tend to be up late talking to people (and usually drinking a lot at the same time). So the next morning there's always a shower to help clear my head a bit.
@DTarrero@Sadarex@cybergibbons Jeez, with a nose that sensitive you must hate it when someone's had too much garlic in their dinner the night before - even I can smell that one.
> medicated people smell even stronger
A general smell, or does it differ by medication?
@torythinker@NHSMillion Because population (& there4 the number of people who need to be tested/treated - increasing the number of employees & medicines needed) doesn't grow? And new, more expensive, tech doesn't come out, keeping costs up?
I thought Tories were supposed to understand economics?
@catsrock72@NHSMillion While that's true - the coalition was years ago now (where do we draw the line?), and they're also actively opposing something (Brexit) that will decimate the NHS, unlike Labour or the Tories.
A Labour or Tory vote is a vote against the NHS.
The US Right have already exported some of their political tricks over to us, with the help of Farage (and the unwitting help of May and Corbyn).
Expect that other.... US conservative values.... are going to make a show soon if we don't change course. https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1129505163964768256
@Jodre11@jessphillips In every way*, there can be no difference between them and the rest of the UK**
* Except those which they disagree with
** See Clause 1
#Leavers want us to take a better place on the world stage. Meanwhile our Government are determined to prove that our word cannot be trusted, arguing the provisions of the #GFA should not apply (now, not after Brexit).
Who the fuck is going to trust us enough to trade with us? https://twitter.com/EmmandJDeSouza/status/1129011894810009600
@bevcott@alanjstedman@mac_puck@cliodiaspora@jeremycorbyn@UKLabour I think that went quite a long time ago, to be fair. But, in this case, I think it's because everyone is tired and frustrated with Corbyn's approach, and determined inability to listen *and act*
@jfarebrrother1@cliodiaspora@richardjbellamy@jeremycorbyn@UKLabour As opposed to trying to stop Brexit by voting for a party who's leader is trying to enable it? *that* would be wasting your voice. If Lab lose a large %age of voters to LD, then if nothing else it sends a message. It's up to Saint Jeremy to remove the carrots from his ears though
@LindaR39@Dinostratus@showden888@IsabelOakeshott The thing you have to remember with Farage is he's a lazy little truant. He doesn't need a manifesto because he's not going to bother turning up most of the time anyway, and would only offer the impossible in any manifesto he did pull out.
@ronnieracist@jessphillips Farage went away to distance himself from the undeliverable promises. Was predicted back in 2016 that he'd later re-appear in order to scream Betrayal. It's a textbook populist move. Whether we'd got a deal, or WTO'd, he'd have come back claiming it's not what was voted for
@telday1@Tony2768@RagnarWeilandt@NeoGeoCrypto@metpoliceuk He's talking about Corporate fiction, so is quite clearly a "Sovereign Citizen". Believe me, he doesn't even have "right" on his side, just a bunch of crack-pot shittery that gets foisted onto the desperate.
@sunnysingh_n6 I'm not for a minute suggesting I could do what you do. I was writing about my views as a reader (well, in this case, a viewer). More time on the dragons death (or the impact) would've felt self-indulgent to me. But, I would also expect a book to go into it more than TV
@elect0r@sunnysingh_n6 I don't disagree. But also feel the death of the 2nd dragon didn't need more screentime than it got. As a viewer you know how she's going to be feeling (we saw with the 1st), and IRL it'd be over in moments. What I perhaps wasn't clear on, though is that'd be different in a book
@leoneross@sunnysingh_n6 I'm sure you are. But given I was writing (poorly maybe) about my view as a reader (or in this case, a viewer) my ability to punctuate, or form prose, particularly on Twitter doesn't strike me as particularly relevant.
@sunnysingh_n6 If you want to label that mansplaining, feel free, but personally I feel you're shifting the definition somewhat. Be more reasonable to assume the different ways people write mean different things to different people.
Quite right, it wasn't @piersmorgan's paper who hacked her phone. Course, his paper *did* hack other phones and his paper *did* print lies about British troops posted overseas.
It's fairly easy to get confused between phone-hacking lying scumbags to be fair. https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1128251351157366784
@sunnysingh_n6@alexvtunzelmann True, but we interpret fiction in part, with how we would empathise with it in real life, so there is still an argument for portraying it as you'd experience it in real life. Crafting things can lead to them feeling... well... crafted rather than something you associate with
@cjayanetti@Moley1985@alexvtunzelmann@Blahovic Yup, and now she feels rejected, abandoned and betrayed by him. So much so that she was happy to lay fire, despite knowing he was also in there somewhere
@alexvtunzelmann@sunnysingh_n6 The counter argument to that though, is that in life (& in War) there often isn't the time to fully appreciate the impact of events. And people also regularly don't get the deaths they deserve. I don't think it was deliberate, but in some ways it's a reflection on real life
@Moley1985@alexvtunzelmann@Blahovic@cjayanetti I thought her comment to Jon that Sanza would now know what happens to anyone who learns his secret was particularly dark, and a sign of just how far into madness her jealousy and sense of entitlement was likely to drive her.
@enochsghost@AlistairNCox@GaryLineker Shall we start with the fact they're *not* creating an EU army then? There's an aim for closer cooperation, but the decision on when/where to deploy UK troops would remain under British control. More like NATO than an army, by along stretch
@Cress31@GaryLineker Here's a link to a recording - https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/1126575210499575809 - plenty more on the net if you'd prefer a different source. She is a pretty disgusting person IMO, but more importantly (and worryingly) she's a fundamentalist. Fundamentalists of any sort getting power tends to end badly
@transferdicky@enochsghost@AlistairNCox@GaryLineker > ironically this is exactly what the uk lobbied for, and the UK voted for it.
Much, in fact, like many of the things "the EU" have done that people object to. The European Copyright Directive being one of the more recent examples - that was heavily lobbied for by us
@Cress31@GaryLineker You mentioned the BBC's history of protecting paedophiles. I was just pointing out (a little hurriedly, admittedly) that Claire Fox (a Brexit Party candidate) is on record as saying she doesn't think it should be illegal to watch Child Porn
@DavidAdlington2@mbrook42821432@AlistairNCox@GaryLineker It means he says what he thinks they want to hear, so they support him. Never mind that he never offers any concrete proposals or takes responsibility for enacting his promises. He's a populist talking head, selling them dreams spun off their perceived fears and concerns
@enochsghost@AlistairNCox@GaryLineker He's never been right about an EU Army & what it means (important bit).
it's perfectly possible for him to be right about the EU (he's not IMO), and it still to be incredibly dangerous to give him power. You've got a man who's party is a company, who won't tell you his policies
@paul_matt_@GaryLineker Well, one thing you can be sure of, they've massively damaged themselves over Brexit. When the dust has settled and private interests are circling again, their going to be far, far harder to defend than they ever were before. And it'll all be self-inflicted.
@andy59967602@LeaveEUOfficial You understand that Farage is a much a part of the political class as any of them right? And that the only way he's different is he's less transparent and tells more lies than even they manage to? He's selling you dreams again, ask him for some substance to support his claims
@LondonPRGuru When the levels rise and destroy vast areas of agriculture, the share price of remaining food firms will rocket... oo and undertakers too..
Sad that anyone would so openly try and put a capitalist benefit on the destruction of the planet
@RichinWeston@GaryLineker@mrjamesob Yeah, I think everyone assumed this interview was going to be the usual Farage friendly whitewash. Although I think he came away a winner (still got his clips to show his base) it's a pleasant surprise to see him given a grilling.
@BonfieldPaul@GaryLineker@reid6peter I made a similar comment a while back and a german popped up to remind me that hitler moved to Germany. I don't think they'd appreciate another Nazi fuck migrating in tbh...
@Cress31@GaryLineker If you're concerned about paedophiles, then maybe don't vote Brexit party given Claire Fox's views on whether abuse imagery should be legal or not. Not than I'm excusing the BBC's behaviour eithet
@AlistairNCox@GaryLineker That's a piss poor reason to vote for him. Trust in May or Corbyn is a low bar to use as a measure. Farage is more of the same dressing himself up as something different. Demand actual change, don't vote for someone who talks about the elite while being one of them.
@paul_matt_@GaryLineker Support Brexit by all means, I'm sure you've your reasons. But if you support Farage with his wooly promises and complete lack of transparency then you're as much of a plank as someone who backs Corbyn or May in my book. Want politics to improve? Don't vote Farage, May or Corbyn
@paul_matt_@GaryLineker Well not surprising they've moved onto other questions given Farage won't answer relevant questions like what are your actual policies? Who's funding your party (given you claim to be trying to improve democracy)? Where's your manifesto?
Incidentally, despite the phrase "never meet your heros" this should be a reminder that you don't need to meet them for them to annihilate any respect you may have had for them. Musk's more Edison than Tesla in my mind nowadays. Good achievements, despicable person. https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1127565640456376320
@RussInCheshire Shows like question time could run a fact check and correct the record during the debate if they wanted. Doesn't work for interviews, but production team could google then speak into Bruce's ear quite trivially. The idea they may get fact checked might dissuade some of the lies
@RussInCheshire The problem with this also regularly applies to interviews with Rees-Mogg. They just make up some lie and come out with an obscure "fact" to defend their position. Take Mogg's lie about concentration camps for example. Interviewers would need to be pub quiz champions 1/
@UKLabour@UsdawUnion@unisontweets@BorisJohnson I'm sure @BenPBradshaw is a fantastic MP, but he like so many others has been betrayed by his party leadership. Every vote for Labour will be used as a vote for Brexit. A vote will only happen after Lab have failed to get Brexit and/or a General Election.
@UKLabour@UsdawUnion@unisontweets too, just wouldn't fit in the first tweet. @UKLabour deserve a serious kicking at the EU elections, but looks like instead they're going to lower themselves to @BorisJohnson's level and lie to avoid losing votes. Vote Lib Dem or Green if you want to prevent Brexit
Given @UKLabour's position on a public vote, this is up there with the NHS Bus in terms of bullshit-o-meter reading. Labour doesn't support a PV just doesn't rule it out as a fallback if they can't get Brexit. @UsdawUnion should be protecting their members not distributing lies https://twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1127217883388497920
@FoundationMoon@lewis_goodall Wouldnt surprise me if whoever spoiled that ballot would be too if they were to realise their efforts put the Tory in place
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime But, you're right, it does highlight the issue with Brexit. Namely that no fucker is able to define what it actually means, and what people actually voted for. If you can't define Brexit itself, it's difficult to categorise people as leaver or remainer outside the extremes
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime > he supports the WA so he must be a leaver
To be fair, the WA does end our EU membership so is a form of Brexit. I'm not even sure it's BRINO, though that's because it consists of the worst parts of either side. There's nothing good for leave or remain in there. 1/
@Flyers4Life74@gabsmashh They spend a *lot* of time playing with it, and assume that someone else would probably love it just as much too.
Or, more likely, they just aren't thinking.... at all.
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime Incidentally, On the subject or pro leave or pro remain Bias on QT, it seems Ofcom disagrees with both of us. Though that's based on the content (rather than the guestlist) and a viewing of just one episode... almost as questionable as that IEA thing if you ask me
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime We're in the runup to euro elections, so why are QT again giving Farage a platform over others? Why not have (say) Adonis on to debate him. Hell, given they basically won the local elections recently, why not have a Lib Dem candidate?
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime What I actually said is that Farage gets a totally disproportionate amount of airtime. He's made 33 appearances on QT, including one last night where his party currently has no MEPs or MPs. Last night, he was the only candidate on that was running to be a MEP 1/
@daziphoto@Crazzyintheusa@ABC personally, I think we should start a campaign for phone manufacturers to turn the sensor 90' anti-clockwise so that landscape is the default and you have to turn it for portrait
@HannahAlOthman Bit late now, but I'd go Air Canada every time (and have, every time I've flown out there).
But, also not been in a while, so things may have changed. Just don't go BA
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime Or Bruce correcting D Abbott, when actually Abbott was correct (and Bruce could have trivially checked).
Or look at who previously headed up BBC Westminister (the dept that handles QT), what he supports and what his job is now
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime Pick a night. Switch QT on. Count the leaver MPs, count the remainer MPs. Count the number of appearances made by Julia HB or Oakeshott. Also look at how many ex UKIP candidates get selected for the audience, and get to ask a question. Some making repeat appearances. 1/
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime Which, of course, you'd have to do from scratch because they've not included the panelists names in the spreadsheet they've released. Almost like they didn't want it highlighted who they were classing as a remainer.
The phrase Lies, damned lies and statistics comes to mind
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime And what were they slapped for? Promoting Brexit. Charities are supposed to be neutral and balanced.
A study by the IEA, frankly, is generally worthless and inapplicable to the real world without a lot of extra investigative work and attempts to reproduce
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime but the biggest clue that you need to be particularly cautious about the applicability of the study is the source - it's the IEA. A Brexit supporting thinktank found that QT is surprisingly biased against Leavers? The same IEA who got slapped by the charities commission last year
@Doyle1Steve@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime I guess you haven't examined their study method, given you've still posted it? Their definition of Brexiter is a No-Dealer. Support Norway+? You're a remainer. Labour politician? You're a remainer unless you actively campaigned for Leave
@oldpigsqueal@JMPSimor@Anna_Soubry@bbcquestiontime Question Time has never been a representative panel when it comes to Brexit related matters. They continually gave Farage a disproportionate amount of air time to spew his lies even back when UKIP were tiny and insignificant.
@AlecMuffett@1Br0wn@neil_neilzone@jimkillock Push hard against MPs to prevent the laws coming in the first place, but also keep innovating and pushing adoption of anonymous overlay's like Tor.
@PartPeculiar@IanDunt The Americans are quote prone to needing remind too to be fair. But, in some ways, that underlines your point further given that Brexiters seems to be riding on the back of American style Populism
@FraserNelson Aren't you supposed to be a journalist @FraserNelson? You should be familiar with doing a bit of research before writing. Or is it that you know why what you've written is misleading bollocks and decided to write it anyway?
Mail from supporters of one of UKIP's candidates (and it's not Bukkake boy), ladies and gentlemen. So incandescent about supposed treason against humanity that he can't even spell it. https://twitter.com/HannahAlOthman/status/1126020745044418560
That's exactly how Yaxley-Lennon works. He and his buddies try to provoke an extreme response and the conservatively cut their videos to make it look like *they* are the victims rather than a bunch of white-power thugs. https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/1125003322145038336
@TimjPickles@labisiffre a) stay and keep the benefits, and keep our veto to avoid things we don't like
b) no-deal and take a huge economic hit as businesses are starved of what they need
c) do a deal and keep benefits but have no say in the rules we have to abide by
@TimjPickles@labisiffre A large part of what leavers like Davis have done is to claim thatwe could leave & keep the benefits. It seems to have created a lot of resistance to acknowledging reality. But the choice really is 3/
@TimjPickles@labisiffre You assume the benefits are like prison bars, used to keep us in. Reality is they are benefits of membership. We gained them as a result of joining and leaving the club means giving up the advantages that membership gives us 2/
@TimjPickles@labisiffre > It should start with what causes the economic cost of leaving.
A question that has been answered many times. Industry has built up a reliance on FoM (workers & jobs), we benefit enormously from advantageous international trade deals that we cannot replicate in short term 1/
@DefineSystem@socialistsunday Not a particular fan of @jessphillips but the choice was between her and someone who's actively working to enable a right wing project - Brexit. Before we even talk about the stench of anti-semitism that seems to surround him.
@SwiftOnSecurity The one that always made me chuckle was a video of Hugh Laurie on youtube with loads of Americans who'd only heard of him because of House losing their mind in the comments below.
@31ltolox@muschifuss998@Craig1856@carolecadwalla Be particularly funny if they failed to notice, tipex'd the name and tried to send it out again. My preference would be to add weight though, to up the postage cost.
@SwiftOnSecurity People would definitely do well to start remembering that whenever we do something, no matter how big it seems, we're standing on the shoulders of many others whose work helped us get there
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may Then, finally, we need a public inquiry and to start holding politicians and media properly to account. BBC have questions to answer, just for a start. As does Bo-Jo, and Im sure you can name a few too. Sorry for length 5/END
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may So IMO a well controlled 2nd ref is the least damaging option. Anything else involves the govt, or Parliament acting unilaterally and without a proper mandate. Both sides need to be able to make their case properly now that we know what the options actually are 4/
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may For all the talk of a 2nd vote being a betrayal, we're heading towards a variety of undemocratic options. No-deal, which there probably isnt majority support for, May/Corbyn deal which noone wants or revoke to avoid ND. Parliament deciding on any of those would be dishonest. 3/
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may Should have a 2nd ref - May vs No deal vs remain - using 2nd pref to avoid vote split. Make it legally binding to trigger the legal protections the last one lacked. General election (say) a month after so parties campaign on how theyll implement and plans for after 2/
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may I don't think anyones seriously claiming everyone has changed their mind to be fair. But, it is possible that the majority have. Either way though, IMO the problems we have with our politicians are only going to get worse while elections are treated as single issue affairs. 1/
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may They did stand in fewer places, of course, but didn't do particularly well in a lot of places they stood, including those that get called Leave cities. EU elections will be a different matter though, I agree
@JoeRawlings09@MGouldthorpe1@smilinglaura@theresa_may > So you think the WA permanently tying us to the EU is brexit?
We will have left the EU, so it is Brexit. It's a very very shit Brexit but it is Brexit none-the-less. But, the results don't support you, given UKIP also got a good hard kicking most places they were standing
@Dr_Rave@inksplott@LynneWinThomas Fish it out and send it back shredded. That way they pay the cost, and there's no risk of it being binned with your name on at their end
@Craig1856@carolecadwalla Be sure to also mark it as "unsolicited mail, return to sender" and pop back in the post without a stamp so they can pay to have it back.
I may have been known to stuff the envelope with bits of cereal box to increase the weight too
@darrengrimes_ So you oppose policies that limit jobs, raise prices and/or ignores a proportion of voters? You're coming out against a no-deal Brexit then?
@officiallyazeem@davidallengreen There's something very... questionable... about the position we've ended up in. Where the referendum is given all the weight of being legally binding (by the politicians), but gains none of the protection of law that a legally binding referendum would have had.
@RobinJFMcBurnie@joelymack Not to mention plenty of Tories who *might* accept a CU, but won't accept something that's got Corbyn on it.
This might actually be the final wedge that splits the parties
@rhyolight@kevin2kelly And, how often do you try to put something in your ear and find it's upside down? Doesn't even seem to meet the core characteristic of USB
Of course, one side effect of all this @Firefox stuff, once the dust settles, is going to be a lot of users suddenly becoming aware that Studies is even a thing, and questioning why it was turned on by default by @Mozilla.
@simplysimontfa@kkhanskk You are, of course, welcome to provide links to interviews/news that supports your claim that that's why Heseltine challenged her. The prevailing theory seems to be that he'd always planned to challenge Thatcher when a critical moment arose - Poll tax being a key element there
@simplysimontfa@kkhanskk She certainly never spoke about leaving the EU during her time as PM
If you want to support Brexit, fine. I might even agree with some of your underlying arguments on it. But if you want to claim Thatcher would have supported you, there's much more chance you're wrong than right
@simplysimontfa@kkhanskk If you look at what she actually did, you can conclude she'd probably have argued for changing from within - or at least exploiting it to gain every single loophole she could for Britain. I doubt she'd willingly have given up those gains to leave
@simplysimontfa@kkhanskk Not to mention of course, that she'd have opposed holding a referendum in the first place. Referendums were... what was the phrase... "The devils work" in her view. The instrument of tyrannies.
So, you likely wouldn't have got a vote in the first place under Thatcher
@simplysimontfa@kkhanskk You tweeted that May is destroying what Thatcher helped achieve. Thatcher didn't help achieve us leaving the EU. So your original tweet is still wrong. That's before we discuss whether what you said was actually true, which if it's based on Bruges almost certainly isn't
@sophwilkinson@ledbydonkeys As others have said, it's they'll have taken off the electoral roll.
Important thing is to stick it back in the envelope, mark "Unsolicited Mail, return to sender" and pop in a postbox so they pay the return postage to have their spam back, and may remove her from their list
@JohnEdwards33@jessphillips@jeremycorbyn You've got to ask why @JohnEdwards33 has decided to spend his time attacking a fellow Labour member after the leadership's refusal to take a definitive position on a key issue has cost the party a shedload of seats. It's not just the Tories that got a kicking, after all
Roger Helmer once again talking out of his arse. If this was a signal to get on with Brexit then UKIP would not have lost the majority of their seats. And strictly Remain parties would not have gained so much https://twitter.com/RogerHelmerMEP/status/1124592087108923392
@kkhanskk@simplysimontfa You know Thatcher was staunchly pro-EU right? If she was here, sorting this lot out would involve stopping Brexit, not facilitating it like May is (poorly) trying to
@ledbydonkeys@nigelmp@LibDems Frustrated today with @UKLabour MPs being on the news saying "It's because people want us to deliver Brexit". Clearly not, UKIP have lost seats, Tories have lost seats, Labour too and the Remain parties have *gained* seats. Don't need to be able to read fucking tea leaves
@jasondj@SJRMercer@MailOnlineVideo Based on their approach with other people's images, expect them to ignore the no and use it anyway. If and when they do, milk them for a large settlement
@MisterShades Honest answer? I don't think they ever actually will concede while Corbyn's in place. Policy from last year was Ref if they couldn't get a GE - failed to force a GE, but ignored calls for them to seek a ref. He wants to leave, and doesn't give a toss what the membership want
@SebDance@IanDunt@PES_PSE Sorry, but as strongly as @alexlmayer talks about standing up for local people, the @UKLabour leadership have let her and you down.
Cannot vote Labour when Corbyn will use strong labour support as 'evidence' of support for his way. @LibDems get my vote this time round
And the solution to that, apparently, is to let Corbyn plow on ignoring the majority of the party, taking the country through a brexit that may not even have majority support and tie up our resources and finances mitigating the damage. Sounds like Politics still isn't working... https://twitter.com/Trickyjabs/status/1123136101680590848
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett So IMO, as a private network operator, you'd ultimately be facing the same battle, but rather than "simply" having to try and block DoH, you'd be needing to try and block a garden of self-implemented approaches on a near-per application basis
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett I've done quite a lot of work with networks in China, for example, and there's quite a legacy of things to deal with as a result of international standards not being implemented. HTTP-FLV live streaming as a delivery method is huge, for example.
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett I agree, but sometimes technical mitigations are required whilst the real underlying problems are addressed. Those mitigations aren't always going to be short term. The alternative is that you start seeing the growth and acceptance of self-implemented mitigations.
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett I should probably say, I'm far from excited at the idea of applications handling resolution for themselves. But it's also not a new concept. What's changed is that DoH is much more generalised than the self-implemented solutions that existed before, that's an improvement IMO
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett But we already have those ISPs in the Western World. And, yes, the need for a VPN is also increasing (particularly here in the UK), but that's only actually moving your battle from blocking DoH to blocking VPNs which will increasingly need to become harder to block themselves
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett Arguably, DoT is itself political then. Why encrypt at all, plain DNS works perfectly fine (well... you know what I mean). Privacy is arguably also a political rather than a technical aim.
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett I'd argue therefore that DoT is the political choice, where DoH is more akin to recognising the user should have a say. Which is, in itself, a political position, but then what isn't? :)
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett When that operator is an ISP, there may not be the option for the user to find another network to use. Your solution only works where there's competition and the govt isn't forcing a behaviour from ISPs. DoT allows user's choice to be removed entirely, DoH not so easily. 1/
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett is, as a user the admin isn't necessarily someone reasonable. As an example of the calibre of decision maker that may be involved look at the age verification coming in the UK. Its not political to recognise bad decisions can be made by those who aren't qualified to run a network
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett DoH also (currently) brings wider support at the client end. Though with Android Pie supporting DoT that will likely change over time. As a user, I want my choice of DNS to be expensive/hard to block. As an admin, I want to be able to block if needed. The problem 1/
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett A vpn achieves that but is overkill if that's the aim. Itll also introduce latency unnecessarily. DoT also achieves all this, but despite having been an option for quite some time simply hasn't been adopted at the OS level. The result: applications have implemented an alternative
@paulvixie@JasperWaale@thedarktangent@defcon@AlecMuffett You're assuming the purpose of DoH is solely privacy. It's also arguably to prevent your network provider from silently intercepting and returning untrue responses (The UKs dns level blocking of various sites being a prime example). 1/
Well perhaps if the Government and @MattHancock would step up and make access to a certain alternative legal and easier fewer people would get lumped onto Opiods in the first place. Speaking from experience here... yet opiods are the only legal option
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48082736
@empijei@AlecMuffett IMO, that's focusing on a likely small percentage of users at the cost of the much wider majority of users who have ads and trackers thrown at them by almost every page they visit. 3/END
@empijei@AlecMuffett It's been going on a while, with small steps forward from the original position. The Register has reasonable coverage of it (latest story is here - https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/04/19/manifest_v3_destiny/). The stated reason is that malicious extensions might misuse all_urls to invade a user's privacy 2/
@empijei@AlecMuffett They're deprecating WebRequest and replacing it with declaritiveNetRequest. It's also mooted that the all_urls permission will go and be replaced only with activeTab.
Basically it's going to knacker various things in PrivacyBadger and Ublock. 1/
@AlecMuffett@EinsteinsAttic@mk270@torproject Agreed. I already use onions extensively where possible (99% of my sites will chuck you an onion in an alt-svc header), and self hosted DoH is a prime usecase IMO
@ryanlrussell@mk270@AlecMuffett I have serious concerns about Cloudflare's non-ECS DoH being default - it fucks over nearly every CDN except CF's (coincidence?). But DoH exists because of other issues with DNS's trust model, and those need to take precedence. Hopefully some better public resolvers will follow
@ryanlrussell@mk270@AlecMuffett > I remember non-transparent proxies from the 90’s.
Heh, I wrote and still run/maintain a georouting system so Im very sensitive to things that make troubleshooting resolution harder.
@ryanlrussell@mk270@AlecMuffett rather than in the app, but adoption isn't likely to happen if we wait for that. You can configure it yourself tho (disable doh in FF, cfg and run a stub resolver bound to loopback and put 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf). One day I imagine itll be the default setup
@ryanlrussell@mk270@AlecMuffett Yeah the proliferation of DoH in browsers is going to mean a change in troubleshooting approach. You can obviously use curl to check results *if* you know which doh server is configured in browser. Personally I'd prefer DoH was configured in (and applied) across the OS
@bobbyllew And yet there's a petition to get @McDonalds to bring back plastic straws. As a species we don't deserve this planet. It's just a shame that in depriving ourselves of it we're going to fuck over all the other life too
@mk270@ryanlrussell@AlecMuffett Best bet is a search engine for now. I will write up my implementation at some point, just haven't the time currently. Basically it's DoH proxy -> Unbound (with adblock rules) -> upstream recursor. Using pihole in there should be just as easy in principle though
@EinsteinsAttic@mk270@AlecMuffett It's essentially that, though in publicly routable address space so that phone/laptop still benefit when out and about.
@mk270@AlecMuffett Sorry been car fixing :) I mean spin up my own publicly accessible * DoH resolver, have that pass queries onto unbound on that server (which is where my adblock/tracking overrides live) and configure my browsers to use it. * publicly accessible so my phone and laptop can use it
@blackroomsec Quite right. No one is too big, or too good to ignore the basic underlying tenet of what we do - protecting information. If you feel the need to willy wave by exposing someone else's details then you probably need to admit you're neither as good, or as right as you think you are
@RetroGamin@blackroomsec That's my assessment too. When someone fails to feed their ego by arguing their position rather than caving, the need to compensate comes out. So you get a pathetic show of 'power' by doxing them. Expected better from Krebs, though Mitnick has form in this area
@dspence711@goddersbloom@Dinostratus Which funnily enough seems to be exactly what some of the disaster capitalists championing Brexit seem to be doing too.
@dspence711@goddersbloom@Dinostratus The former has been certified safe for use on an airframe. Not that there's any difference in the part of course. Used to see it on tools too, hundreds for a spanner because it's been certified for use on an air-frame. Supplier profiteering under guise of a cause basically
@AlecMuffett > aver that we should ditch the “crutch” by fixing the apps
Unfortunately that's not too likely to happen anytime soon. Just look at the potential for ad-blockers to get screwed with Google's proposed changes in Chromium.
Remember @SteveBakerMP has worked as a CTO, and as a financing architect. He *knows* that how statistics are collected is incredibly important to their meaning.
So it's much more likely he's simply a liar than that he's failed to recognise the issues with the news he's peddling
Oh look, another Brexiter peddling massaged statistics.
> Of 4,275 guests on Today between 2005 and 2015
> coverage of EU issues broadcast between 2002 and 2017.
Brexit wasn't in the national debate for much of the period studied.
Also, go look at how they define Brexiter. https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1121683744362917889
@lekkerjekse I think it may well prove to be the best thing to come out of Brexit. We can but hope. Just so long as the Tories don't completely fuck the country over in their death throes
@lekkerjekse It's hard to deny he's had an impact on UK politics, for sure. But, he's not yet had an impact on the political system itself - I think the thing that's going to bring that about is the Tory self-centredness and infighting (along with the same from Labour) leading to party splits
@lekkerjekse True, although Widdecombe *is* joining a party headed by someone who has actively failed to be elected to our Parliament 7 times. Although he didn't intend it to be so broadly applied, not voting Labour is a good idea for Remainers and Leavers alike IMO
@Pete_Radcliff@heidiallen75@Andrew_Adonis@UKLabour@labourvsbrexit Agreed, but until the Labour leadership actually takes a position that aligns with the membership, and can be trusted to stick to it, a vote for Labour is a big ask. Unlikely they'll get one from me, as the Lib Dems are at least more definitively a Remain party at the moment.
@SaliWho@Katie__Fox@MylesJackman There were a lot of people claiming that it wasn't here. During his original extradition appeals though, the courts found that it was. Basically its just more shite that he and followers spout.
@Pete_Radcliff@heidiallen75@Andrew_Adonis@UKLabour But, it also really, really matters what the leadership is saying. It doesn't matter if Lab MEPs are remain if it's perceived there's a risk Corbyn will use votes as support for his vision of Brexit
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark As far as HTTPS goes, nothing's perfect, but HTTPS connections were one of the things the spooks generally failed to compromise - so long as it truly was end-to-end (Encryption Ends Here.... sad). Not that it should be considered a panacea
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark Agreed the Govt shouldn't knowingly deploy (or encourage use of) compromised/risky kit. But Huawei is no more suspect in that respect than Cisco (we know the NSA intercepted outbound shipments). Neither should be trusted by users of the network any more than the other either
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark > Client side encryption is easy enough to crack as it's there for everyone to see.
If that's been your experience, then you're using the wrong kind of encryption. In a robust model the security is supposed to lay in the (negotiated, or pre-shared key) not in the method
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark Thing is, none of this is new.
Over a decade ago, at the MoD we couldn't even have a cordless base-station (connected to the on-camp internal phone network) because of concerns about TEMPEST. The government already knows that trust in your comms infrastructure alone isn't enough
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark > targeting phone calls on particular mobile phones, possible
Conversely, though, calls of that sensitivity should not be made from those devices anyway. Security that relies on the 3rd party network operator is fundamentally flawed.
@CodeNotHate@Peston@chunkymark > in terms of the government and sensitive IP info of businesses in the UK.
All of that stuff should be encrypted on the wire.
I wouldn't have Huawei in sensitive critical infrastructure, but this 5G stuff stinks of something whipped up against an economic threat
@GoodwinMJ@unherd where one side broke electoral law and data protection laws to such an extent that we still don't know the full depth. If, if you were on the side that were against that, wouldn't you also be deeply suspicious of someone who, even now, supports it?
@GoodwinMJ@unherd that all leavers are being viewed as fascists. The reality is likely much more simple. If you're concerned we're opening the door to fascists, and even if that doesn't happen you're having rights you were born with stripped on you based upon the unsafe decision of a referendum
@GoodwinMJ@unherd Given the potential dangers of having someone with fascist tendencies gain power, it seems far less risky for remainers to be oversensitive to the risk than it does for leavers to be undersensitive to those same risks. Articles like this encourage that complacency by suggesting
@GoodwinMJ@unherd get into power. All you need is for those bigots to outwardly focus on things that will get the support of the 99.9%. When that's done by focusing on deeply held beliefs and fears, it gives rise to populism. Which is how the Nazi party got elected in the first place
@GoodwinMJ@unherd Not all leavers *are* bigots of course. But some of the most visible leaders of the Leave movement have been actively mixing with people like Bannon who very clearly are. You do not need even 99.9% of leavers to be Bigots in order for them to enable a group of bigots to
@GoodwinMJ@unherd You make reasonable arguments that not every leaver is racist. But, if you accept the basis that some of it is, then the paradox of tolerance becomes quite important here. If Leavers are viewed as bigots then tolerance does not, and should not extend to them. https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1121374726180331520/photo/1
@AvivaUK are you actually planning on making the #AvivaMyMoney website #GDPR compliant some time this decade? The activation page alone has trackers from 7 different 3rd party domains, with no consent sought. Your T&Cs also don't specify the lawful basis for this under GDPR
Those who really hate the paper straws could always just buy themself a proper metal reusable one. Even better on a waste front than paper.
McDonald's plastic straw petition: Call to ditch paper straws https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48038130
@AthertonClare@nickreeves9876 Looking at it another way though, that was 9 years ago, and there's been 2 changes in leadership since then. They're also the biggest party with a non-brexit supporting leadership, so probably stand the best chance of actually getting seats.
Good to see someone actually challenging these lies on TV. It's a pity we can't seem to rely on journalists to do it. The #Leave campaign was built on a foundation of lies, data misuse and overspending. #Brexit's outcome aside, letting that slide is a threat to democracy https://twitter.com/OFOCBrexit/status/1119953365960658944
>"that two former foes are now partnering on such a complex task is nothing short of historic," US ambassador to Vietnam
Alternative view: the US coated Vietnam in Agent Orange, it's only fair they should help decontaminate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-48000185
It's only counsellors though, and we know there's been some Entryism going on in the Tory party. Still, they should probably be worried. Not sure @Nigel_Farage would appreciate being described as a good choice for the Tory party either.
@danieljohnsalt@ledbydonkeys Incidentally, if the thought's now occurred to you that we might just be talking about different sets of data (Cambridge Analytica, data from Banks' insurance customers, the numbers Leave spammed with SMS's etc), that's kind of the point. Misuse of data looks to have been rampant
@danieljohnsalt@ledbydonkeys The worry is that some people within your camp very much want it to become normalised. Something that's just another tool of campaigns, and that people just excuse. Rather than asking, as in the TED talk, whether it's actually possible to have a free and fair election any more.
@danieljohnsalt@ledbydonkeys And you have proof of that do you? Or did Leave delete it?
Targeting people in this way, and on this scale is not normal. Spending over the legal limit, is not normal. And harvesting details of hundreds of thousands of people without their consent is neither legal nor normal
@moscowfrancis@PaulEmbery@georgegalloway The party is (something like 63% remain iirc) but the leadership isn't. Corbyn is a leaver, albeit not a hard brexiteer. The leadership is also spectacularly inept. Neither remain or leave should vote Labour tbh, there are more definitive options on both sides
@ledbydonkeys@danieljohnsalt But, thats a conversation that is going to happen, although we may have to wait a few years for anything particularly meaningful. As much as Farage n co claim people feel the political system fails them, Leaves behaviour was a prime example of the insipid corruption of the system
@ledbydonkeys@danieljohnsalt They mock the claims of EU money being spent because they cannot address the fact that democracy was, very clearly, subverted by some of the people they follow. People who championed the cause for very different reasons than the majority of leavers support Leave
@ledbydonkeys@danieljohnsalt They're all doing the same thing which is trying to pick on a very minorpoint in her speech to avoid having the harder conversation about how Leave misused data obtained in violation of the DPA to target it's overspending by sowing lies tailored to the viewer
@howsentimental@Bob070165@SpillerOfTea@LadyLisaCusack Agreed on both points there. But the media like to "prove" their power by trying to humble people by forcing them to make apologies. Our media needs reform as much as Parliament does, they're 2 sides of the same coin in many ways
@howsentimental@Bob070165@SpillerOfTea@LadyLisaCusack I also don't think there's anything wrong with pulling someone up for having been distasteful when they're standing for office. The initial comment, and moreso his recent defence of it, shows a distinct lack of judgement. Good judgement is something you should demand from a MEP
@howsentimental@Bob070165@SpillerOfTea@LadyLisaCusack The point remains though, it's hypocrisy for the right wing media to be making this level of fuss about a quiet drink. Not a fan of Abbot, but this says more about the press than anything. People in glass houses and all that
@howsentimental@Bob070165@SpillerOfTea@LadyLisaCusack I think you've got that reversed fella. On the right, you've got someone who's defending making rape comments at an MP. Tories accused of serious sexual misconduct who were reinstated for the confidence vote.
All of that's OK, but having a G&T on the DLR? Hang her out to dry
@murtaghj90@sturdyAlex@toryboypierce > There are some republicans here who see brexit as an opportunity to achieve their aims.
So you agree that Brexit has given them an additional tool/weapon to use, and that it was wrong for people like Pierce to mock and dismiss the idea that Brexit could reinflame tensions?
@lynnietay@margarethodge@Christi64914989 Your tweet reads like you're saying the hard left are destroying the NHS and creating child poverty. Which isn't what you meant to say, but is sort of true - the entire Labour party is busy infighting, which is enabling the Tories. All over a leader who's enabling a Tory brexit
@Ricairdooo000@SJP70@CarolineLucas@sianberry@jon_bartley@TheGreenParty If someone could just donate Corbyn a clue, then maybe I could vote Labour again. His current stance on Brexit alone prevents that, so he's handing power over to the Right, who couldn't give the first fuck about the climate.
@chrisoregan@BarbaraKrys1@catherinemep@LibDems It's easy to make a bet that you're absolutely certain you're going to win. The hard part really is to actually recognise the risk. Leave or Remain, we're all paying the price for his conceit.
@mikesmlea@elliotttimes I doubt you read the article then, because what it talks about is the Irish border and the Good Friday Agreement. Talk on the street of UK voters has nothing to do with the realities of either of those two issues
@chrisoregan@BarbaraKrys1@catherinemep@LibDems As I understand it, part of the reason Cameron promised the referendum was because he thought he'd end up in coalition with them again, and could then scapegoat them for scrapping the referendum.
So them going into coalition did enable it to an extent.
@mattrbennett@shirleymcbrinn@carlgardner That's my reading of it too. UKIP made themselves toxic to part of their voter base by taking on Yaxley-Lennon and Farage is capitalising on that. I expect they'll both cannibalise a bunch of tory votes (in particular) too though
So there you have it. @georgegalloway has allied himself with the side that has links to Bannon, and believes in stripping people freedoms. After years of standing for moral right, he's obviously decided that the ends justify the means * stands alongside the far right as a result https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/1118560481785065472
@TriciaWright17@hwoppy@Jimberoo1@LeaveEUOfficial@jonsnowC4 Btw, @hwoppy is detailing the crimes the Electoral Commission have found leave guilty of. There's also the question of where some of the funding came from in the first place, and that's been referred onto the NCA because of the severity.
@TriciaWright17@hwoppy@Jimberoo1@LeaveEUOfficial@jonsnowC4 A once in a generation vote, that ultimately turned on 1% of the electorate, won after breaking electoral rules that have stood for over a 100 years. Shall we go back to putting names on ballots so that parties can go round breaking legs of people who voted the wrong way again?
As someone who works in tech: there are few things more frustrating than someone saying "we'll solve it with tech" when they've absolutely zero understanding of the problem let alone the tech that would solve it. If they cared, it'd be "can we solve this with tech? How?" https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1118778906151198720
Nice to see @BBCNews actually reporting a Government fuck up. @DCMS need to explain urgently why they're incapable of compliance with GDPR, and how the hell they expect anyone to believe that the wankers database won't get leaked?
#AgeVerificationhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47962405
@JolyonMaugham@OwenJones84 Exactly this. A vote for Labour will be claimed as a vote in support of Corbyn's approach. So my vote has to go to a smaller party.
Which is wrong, and risky, but it's very much a mess that @UKLabour have made.
Odds on it being delayed again @MylesJackman? They've still not addressed any of the privacy implications, just appeared to do so by creating a 'badge' for those that appear to give a toss.
UK to introduce porn age-checks in July https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47960775
Massive pollution from cars, so lets protest about it by disrupting the public transport that people could use instead of cars? Not the brightest bunch clearly https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47959207
@jpt4469@Snake_Hips72@articeddie@A14Info@HighwaysEMIDS No, the idea is you tweet "Traffic stopped at junction 12 on the #A14" and it'll retweet it, so people who travel over the A14 regularly just follow that. Similarly when the Highways Agency tweet about it
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips The entire system needs reform. Politics, Media, the lot. The problem is I wouldn't trust any of those in a position to do that. Just look at when they "improve" the way we vote. It's generally a cynical moving of seats to maximise the safe seats for those in power
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips Oh, agreed on that, though I see Brexit as partly being a symptom of that underlying issue. In it's own way, Brexit's also highlighted that cozy relationship to a great many people, just look at criticism of the BBC over their refusal to challenge lies during interview. 1/
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips The counter argument to that is that it allows Boris (and any other MP) to visibly make a tit of themselves in public, rather than quietly doing it in the background. The problem we have, IMO, is that we (society) never hold the fuckers to account properly once they've done it
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips Oh, and on the column - I've no particular issue with MPs being given somewhere to write. It keeps what they say in the light, rather than leaving their speech hidden away. But, this particular piece does seem like it's got half the content missing, not sure I'd have published
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips FWIW, the outcome of his arrest should IMO be that he does his bail-jumping time, goes to Sweden to follow due process there, and then we refuse to extradite to the US, because they sure as fuck aren't going to give him a fair trial
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips But that doesn't mean he can just evade justice on the allegations. He was perfectly happy to trust the UK legal system all the way to the top, until it suddenly wasn't going his way and he ran to start his stint in the cupboard. 2/
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips Well... the rape claim was a ruse to get him to Sweden for extradition onto the US right? Then how come they asked us directly now? Why was it ever necessary to get him to Sweden first (who'd have to ask us first)?
We do know who committed war crimes, thanks to his work 1/
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips Were you as questioning of things Bojo's written in the Telegraph? Or for Corbyn in the guardian? Or are you just pissed because she's called a self-centered narcisstic prick a self-centered narcissistic prick? Or is it because she's effectively contradicted Corbyn?
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips That's not what you wrote though is it? Also, Govt Opposition MP isn't a thing. She's simply an Opposition MP. If Govt Opposition MP were a thing, it would likely relate to the shadow cabinet, of which she's not a member
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips > Manning wasn’t released
Oh, I'm sorry, I must've dreamed her sentence being commuted. As for the rest of your tweet, it's fairly obvious you don't actually have an argument to make so have fallen back on a self-fulfilling tirade instead. Enjoy life as an unquestioning weeb
@Malfunctionin14@georgegalloway@GillardPeter@medialens@jessphillips > that not one word he published was found untrue
That would be what Wikileaks published.
Quite a lot of what Assange has said has been untrue. Like him saying he'd go to the US voluntarily if Manning was released. Or the donations he was taking would go to Manning's defense.
@CathHorder@JamesH1963@JimMFelton I had exactly this conversation with people in the past. Along with "I can't afford that" isn't the same as "I could, but would be hard to justify spending on". The latter you might say "just this once", the former it doesn't matter what you say
@Reikilass@kengray1967@joannaccherry To be fair, Julian does come across as a bit of a narcissist. And the important thing is that he not let it influence his application of the law, which at this point he hasn't. Whilst not perfect, our judiciary have refused more extraditions to the US than they have to us.
@Reikilass@kengray1967@joannaccherry Not trusting the UK gov is a perfectly sane position FWIW. Our current set of ministers contains a high percentage of incompetent sycophants. Luckily tho, the decision is down to our judiciary who are a lot more sane (though far from perfect)
@Reikilass@kengray1967@joannaccherry They do, however:
a) It imposes a higher burden on the US than the UK <-> US one does
b) Because Assange was arrested in UK under a EAW, it could not be used without UK permission anyway
@toholdaquill And everyone's helpfully pointing this out on Twitter while it's just a preliminary warrant he's being held under (bailjumping aside). So when the formal request comes, the charge will have changed.
@ClareAdams@POCX100 The problem is, if leave wins the seats it doesn't really matter if remain wins the popular vote. Remember that Trump lost by 3m votes, and that doesn't appear to have tempered his approach at all. Unless > 17.4m vote for remain parties they'll just dismiss with that
@amanda_fleet1@joannaccherry Surely the point is you maintain impartiality. So it's not so much implying the victim is lying, as leaving open the possibility that they may be. Or in fact that they may not be but there may not be sufficient evidence to convict without risking a miscarriage of justice
@Reikilass@kengray1967@joannaccherry FWIW, we should send him to Sweden to face those charges, but should refuse the US request on the grounds the US is incapable of giving him a fair trial.
@Reikilass@kengray1967@joannaccherry You don't seem to have done your own homework. He's not in a max security. Sexual assault charges have not been dismissed, and he originally claimed it was Sweden who'd extradite him to US. UK refused to extradite Love & Mckinnon amongst others, doesnt sound very under the thumb
@2dollarcasio@WCullmac should be considered extremely suspect. It's only reasonable that that should be highlighted to more moderate leave voters. The challenge, of course, lies in doing it without appearing to claim that all leave supporters are nutbags. Cos they're not and many simply 4/
@2dollarcasio@WCullmac There are valid reasons to prefer leave, but it's important to understand it may mean allying with and giving power to actual fascists. The country is currently at risk of sleep walking into an authoritarian nightmare IMO, and politicians that cater to those pictured 3/
@2dollarcasio@WCullmac Given the country has been following a path set by a vocal minority - hard brexit - I think understanding what an overlapping vocal minority might be like and push for is pretty important. 2/
@2dollarcasio@WCullmac Doesn't read as a character assassination of leave voters to me, so much as highlighting that these people also voted leave, abd that their motives for doing so are likely very different to that of a 'reasonable' leave voter. 1/
@GeneRuane@DazzaG78@EmmaKennedy@UKLabour The fact remaims though that Corbyn has alienated voters. I'd never vote Tory, but I'll also now not vote for Labour. Corbyn hasbhad some successes but failed us on the biggest issue I currently care about. All he had to do was follow conference policy, after all, but no
@2dollarcasio@WCullmac True. But I'd also suggest that most with reasonable, legitimate criticisms probably aren't pushing/marching for no deal either. Seems unlikely (but possible) they'd be marching for May's deal either. Those are the 2 brexit choices at this point in time
@MickGreenhough@MAnneAmbrose1 You mean the Lisbon Treaty where everything is already in effect and has been since 2009? The one that won't remove our veto? Mentioning it on a tweet asking for money doesn't make you look at all like a scaremongering scammer...
@sallycalverley But not 7 years ago, which would corroborate his claims a bit. December 2018. More than half a decade after he jumped bail.
Anyone who takes any of his claims at face value is failing themselves.
@sallycalverley Look at his claim he'd go to the US if Manning was freed, only to still not leave the embassy. There's also no logic in the claim Sweden was a front to then pass him onto the US. They were always able to get him from us more easily - that request has been received 3/
@sallycalverley But you only have to look at some of his other actions & statements to see that he's not being wholly truthful. Look at how he positions that non-binding UN working group's decision - claimed the UK was now violating interational law. 2/
@sallycalverley There's a huge amount of cognitive dissonance visible in quite a few of his followers. He revealed US war crimes and therefore must be completely incapable of having done something reprehensible himself. 1/
@BlackwaterRive2@TheMightyGusset@morrisseydave@harpohap@ByDonkeys@Nigel_Farage@UKIP Feel free to highlight the plagiarised sections for us all then? Thats a very specific word with a very specific definition. Also, which IPRs are being violated? Trademark? Patent? Copyright? Enlighten us with examples and then I'll explain what the law actually says about parody
@makomk@morrisseydave@harpohap Have you even read the site? It doesn't claim to be from Brexit party. Lampoon sites have existed for almost as long as the WWW. The bus made claims of what "would" happen, to try an use the unachievable to win votes. The site does no such thing.
@morrisseydave@harpohap@ByDonkeys@Nigel_Farage It's also not a URL hijack. That would suggest they've poisoned DNS or compromised his site. They simply registered a domain name that was available
@AndrewWale@Mannishbob89@PublicSector25@SAFCJC91@Sarah_Hayward No worries, I'm mixing threads up a bit too. FWIW I think he needs to go to Sweden & face the charges (they're restarting the investigation). But, I think extradition to the US should be blocked as there's no way in hell they can guarantee a fair trial, even by US's low standards
@AndrewWale@Mannishbob89@PublicSector25@SAFCJC91@Sarah_Hayward The original tweet said he was evading rape charges to be fair, rather than calling him a rapist. But, I agree in terms of the broader conversation. But, there's only been half an inquiry because he legged it, which does not look good. There are plenty claiming conspiracy :)
@AndrewWale@Mannishbob89@PublicSector25@SAFCJC91@Sarah_Hayward > Maybe he was evading the possibility of being charged
And you consider that not to be evading rape charges? Either way, he's was evading the justice system that's pursuing him.
The fact he hadn't been charged is due to a nuance of their system, not some weird conspiracy
@Al_J_Guy@tpgcolson As for the cunt side of things, just look at things he's said about protecting Manning, and then what he's actually done. Then head over to Cryptome and read the leaks of his early chats where he talks about wanting to try and sell things to governments instead of publishing
@Al_J_Guy@tpgcolson No, they are not able to guarantee that. No country can promise not to consider a request that they have not yet received. At least not unless they're willing to throw their international relations under a bus for someone they allege to have committed a crime
@Mannishbob89@AndrewWale@PublicSector25@SAFCJC91@Sarah_Hayward If I go on the run for something, should I be allowed to set the terms of my engagement with law enforcement? Video link's also not much use if the intention is to arrest & charge following the interview. Note that the video link offer was also before he went on the lamb
@Al_J_Guy@tpgcolson He agreed to extradition so long as they guarantee what no country could guarantee?
He also said he'd go to the US if Manning was freed, but when it happened he stayed in his cupboard. Humphry's is right, you're wrong and Assange is a cunt
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh He also has to serve his time for jumping bail. Despite all his protestations, the fact remains that he was perfectly happy to trust and rely on our legal system, all the way to the top, right until it wasn't going his way. Costing his friends a small fortune in the process. /END
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh I also think Trump's lot would burn him alive if it meant securing just 1 additional republican vote.
I don't think he should be extradited to the US, because I don't think he can have a fair trial. I *do* think he needs to answer the charges in Sweden though. 4/
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh he's been holed up so long there's been a change of administration, and Trump's lot are far more hardline (also not so canny in this area), and so he's essentially outstayed his opportunity for freedom from the US. 3/
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh I think 7 years ago the US would have liked to get hold of him, but also had a much more canny administration that recognised the best thing they could do was nothing. That way he'd discredit himself by making a lot of noise followed by nothing actually happening. But 2/
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh I agree we totally should differentiate. In much the same way as we cannot let his good work exposing those war crimes be used as 'evidence' that he cannot possibly have committed the rape he's accused of. Personally, I think the truth lies somewhere in between 1/
@morgvanny@oneunderscore__ No. The loss is where they're not fully factoring in their other costs of operating - legal compliance (they generally just don't bother) as well as infra costs etc. The drivers get screwed over too IMO, just as all the users will if Uber ever successfully unseat the competition
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh The one that was only used 6 years after he went into hiding? During which time he's helped influence a US election and brought even more scrutiny on himself? Yeah, it's all a conspiracy mate, and nothing to do with his own actions
@seanjonesqc Their's may not be so great either. The Mirror (I know, I know) reported earlier that he'd previously smeared shit (assume his, but didn't say) on the walls
It's been a while since I've had chance to argue properly with some #Assange conspiracy theorists. Unfortunately it is getting late, so I must abed and leave the US based nutters to someone else.
@burns_daniel@JustRuairi@Sarah_Hayward@jessphillips So why hasnt he been sent to Sweden then? Why would they have asked Sweden before the UK? We don't even require proof, just an allegation. Sweden are restarting their investigation, and still the US asks us? Thats an incongrueity in your conspiracy
@gujabano@Sarah_Hayward@LouHaigh But it was always easier for the US to extradite him from us than from Sweden. Take for example the fact they've asked us for him.
fuck fake news, stop spreading lies and conspiracy bullshit
@Lifeisourjoke@unadevine@Sarah_Hayward@jessphillips Sweden have filed a request to rese the investigation today. They were only ever frozen - the point being the prosecutor shouldn't piss away resources trying to reach the unreachable.
If it had always been a US conspiracy, why've they now asked us to hand him over?
@AndrewWale@PublicSector25@SAFCJC91@Sarah_Hayward He was never charged because Sweden requires an interview first. It's that interview which he evaded. There are things that can be said in his favour, so why spread bullshit?
@quentinchalk@Sarah_Hayward@jessphillips If it was about getting him to the US why would he need to go to Sweden first? They'd just ask the UK, like they just have. Note the request came in Dec 18, 6 years after he became a hermit
@oneunderscore__ Easy, charging below cost to undercut competion, whilst investing in tech to replace the people providing the services you're taking a cut of & also paying out compo to the people sexually assaulted by your drivers. Oh and r&d on the software designed to frustrate law enforcement
@markeas49723703@LBSProtect@catsinbelfry Just make sure you don't let Grayling arrange the transport, it'll cost you a fortune, you'll realise they don't have the means and it'll all fall through anyway. Wait... thats Brexit in a nutshell too
@labs_con@PropertySpot Also worth noting that certain Tory's complained about Mr Boles complaining about Gibbs because Gibbs doesn't get opportunity to respond to criticism, especially from Journalists. That was mocked at the time, but that thread shows he's more than comfortable replying
@SeanWrightSec@InfoSecJon My favourite is still being told by TP-Link that they didn't think an issue was too severe as they didn't think families would try and hack each other. Too which I pointed out tenants in apartment buildings aren't family and still have more than sufficient proximity 🤦♂️
@Ultim8HEEL@Machiavellecon@alextomo Oh yeah, seems to have blocked me too. Strange really, you'd think someone who is clearly very taken with Machiavelli would be more questioning rather than just unquestioningly accepting things
If the user-agent can reach you via HTTPS for you to redirect back to HTTP, there isn't really any credible reason to then prevent them using HTTP. If a device cannot reach you via HTTPS (because they're using older ciphersuites etc) then the redirect cannot be served anyway
@Machiavellecon@Ultim8HEEL@alextomo Feel free to screenshot and post where either of us said they didn't happen, or they should be ignored. If you read the thread, I think you'll find we both effectively said he's a lying scroat who cannot be trusted to stand by his word and that his good deeds don't absolve that
@Machiavellecon@alextomo He also allegedly put his cock into women without appropriate consent. Good deeds and benefits are laudable, but they do not give an excuse to ignore accusations of misdeeds. Letting the state decide what can simply be ignored like that gives power to the really Orwellian stuff
@MisterShades@RoastedReast Nah, the tories are distracting us by managing to actually arrest someone who's been sat in the same place in London for 7 years
Should've cleaned up after his cat more. Or whichever of the other rules it is that he's supposed to have broken.
This was always going to be the outcome, particularly with him and you baiting the ecuadorians. Don't shit on your host's doorstep, particularly when claiming asylum https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1116274905245470720
@arobertwebb@philipjcowley > Also, the bus driver can’t be changed until December anyway
The no no-confidence for a year thing is a 1922 policy not a conservative party policy, so the 1922 committee can choose to overturn/disregard it. Hopefully when they do, the Tory part will vanish up it's own arse
@rvnotone@guardian Yeah I mean, how dare she work full time *at a fucking bank* and expect to be able to at least live on that? That's not the American dream.
$561 shortfall a month, living on absolute basic food supplies and with no medical costs included.
Have a word with yourself
Just like every other prominent brexiter, he stands to gain a fortune by fucking us all over with #Brexit Brexiteer Odey bets £500m AGAINST British businesses https://dailym.ai/2Hzla1y
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may The future's definitely going to be interesting. There's a strong core of labour voters who've been alienated by the Corbynites. The Tories have also alienated a share of their voters. If this Brexit mess brings an end to the 2 party system we'll at least have gained something
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may If they no-deal without asking the population first, there's going to be hell to pay when the consequences become clear. If they take May's deal, then same. If they unilaterally revoke then plenty of people are going to feel that's a betrayal too.
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may Again though, that's within your area, it's very hard to extrapolate out to the country. The only way you could meaningfully measure it would be a 2nd referendum. As divisive as that could be, the harm would probably be shorter term than parliament "just" making the decision 1/
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may Again, theres an element of bubble there. Comments on pro-Remain articles tend to be pro-remain. People Ive spoken to in the pub (southerner, we dont talk on the street :)) tend to be pro-remain too. Thats in a constituency that strongly voted leave fwiw.
Labour are going to stop tinkering around the edges? Is Corbyn going, or is he actually going to start opposing Brexit and honouring conference policy rather than trying to weasel around it? Either way, local elections are soon, and I'm gonna vote independent https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1115645796668436480
@GuyDorrellEsq For some reason it reminds me of @eddieizzard's bit about the Meek Inheriting the Earth. What do we want? THE EARTH. When do we want it? NOW MOTHER FUCKER
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may The thing is, it's very hard to say either way. Social media bubbles mean you tend to see a *lot* more of the stuff you agree with than that you don't. Most of the top-level tweets I'll see are pro-remain, and I'd assume yours are mostly pro-brexit?
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may Corbyn is being a twat so remainers aren't going to rally to Labour while they might aide Mays Brexit (nor will Leavers for that matter). I think the outcome of the EU elections may prove interesting, as there's enough inertia on both sides at the moment that we should get a clue
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may There's certainly a vocal element. But there's also a very vocal and visible element on other side too. Both sides I think are going against Tories & Labour. What Brexiters have at the moment is a couple of rallying points, there's limited options in that respect for remainers 1/
@MRiggorz@Anna_Soubry@peoplesvote_uk@TheIndGroup So you'd rather have the kind of vote a banana republic would have by not offering available options in case that's what the majority actually now want? What an absolute fucking win for democracy that mindset is. You're a present to authoritarians everywhere
@onewendy@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti There's as much assumption in that sentence as there is in the claims that everyone who voted Leave is ok with us exiting No Deal on friday. I'm not saying there was no apathy at all, but the assumption that it was the majority and the laying of blame disenfranchises
@onewendy@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti The people who couldn't decide and so didn't vote effectively took a position of principle. Recognising that they weren't able to assess the question and therefore were not well placed to provide what could prove to be a definitive vote in either direction. IMO that's laudable
@onewendy@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti For something big like the EU referendum, what was needed was well informed voters. Not people blindly making a choice because someone like you will criticise them for not having voted & certainly not people voting for something they don't believe in to 'show' Cameron
@onewendy@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti So you'd rather someone who wasn't sure just ticked a box? Or "worked harder" to try and decide by listening to whatever sources they had available, but did not understand, and then just ticked a box? There's no reason to assume they'd have voted Remain in either of those cases
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may In doing so, they (and others) have undermined whatever shakey trust was left in politics. But, our system was fucked all on it's own, without the EU's help, and we don't fix it by simply leaving the EU. We don't even begin to. In or out, Westminister badly needs reform.
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may That's the mess that people like Farage, Johnson and Francois have got us into, by blindly pushing an ideal rather than realism. You *can* support Brexit without being a nutjob, but the fundamentalists have been pushing for an all out extreme that it's unlikely most wanted. 3/
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may Whatever happens, leave or not, there's going to be political chaos and disruption for quite some time. If we exit no-deal then theres more than 1/2 the country who aren't going to be happy. May's deal, probably 90% aren't going to be happy, and if we remain a proportion too 2/
@brettd76@tracker1878@1928c3019@emtasker@Speed_of_smell@Nigel_Farage@theresa_may You're assuming that a) the vast majority of leave voters still want to leave and b) are still sufficiently motivated to go and vote. The problem is, when trust in politics goes, apathy kicks in too and people don't vote "What's the point, doesn't change owt". 1/
@andrew_lilico So a Brexiter wants our democratically elected parliament to be overruled by an unelected head of state, and cause a fucking massive constitutional crisis whilst we're in the midst of one caused by the blind pursuit of the brexit he wants so badly he'd watch the country burn?
@prixpics@aljwhite@jessphillips@jonwillchambers When you join a tribe you're supposed to support the leader, often unthinkingly. It's just that some tribes have official membership procedures. When it potentially gets dangerous is when it devolves into a mindset that you can't support/acknowledge the other side's good acts.
@prixpics@aljwhite@jessphillips@jonwillchambers That's the problem, when you boil it down, all it is is just more of the same tribalism that's got this country into the mess it's currently in.
@Robert_Purse Yes, May was never a good choice for the role. Even before you consider Leave/Remain, she was a shit home sec. It's just that she seems to have been seen as more stable/less nuts than the contenders. But history will record she couldn't even wield a £1bn bribe effectively
@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@onewendy@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti The problem with blaming the voters themselves, though, is it's felt as an attack, so they get defensive & stop listening to your points. The people I have the greatest respect for though, are those who weren't sure and so did not vote.
@liamdennehy@DavidMilstead6@onewendy@hilarybennmp@Artifactorficti It's perfectly possible to blame both, and incredibly important to hold those who were feeding the misinformation to account. Particularly those who are MPs, or who's media empires have massive readerships
@TomABacon@SusanHarris80@juliecavender1@adamboultonSKY@SteveBakerHW That's not entirely true. Mauritania trades solely on WTO. It's got a GDP about 0.2% of ours, primarily exports Ore and has a sizeable proportion of it's population living in slavery.
That's what @SteveBakerHW's no-deal solution looks like in the only country that practices it
@AMNibbs@notmany4benny@talldogman@BBCNews Yep, thats the worst thing about the BBCs poor behaviour around brexit. Their enemies are going to use it to kill the BBC once Brexit has unfolded, and we'll all be worse off.
@ANDYMMITCHELL@HarleyTales@CarolineLucas So you want to reject a deal that implements what the referendum asks about - ending our EU membership - and go for a more extremist option? Hard to claim a PV is undemicratic when you take that stance
Just like many others, I've been terrified by what dropping off the cliff-edge means for the future. It's scary, and I think it's something we'll look back on and regret. But it's upon us, and there's no way to go back.
Opening my last proper @irnbruhttps://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1113814313800818688/photo/1
@HarleyTales@CarolineLucas They have honoured it, they've negotiated a deal. A shit deal, but a deal nonetheless. What's wrong with asking if we're all still sure, given many of the promises failed? Or, are you happy for us to leave on Theresa May's deal, it being the outcome of the referendum and all
@AndrewMGerrard1@DaveLeeBBC Amazon aren't going to collapse overnight, but ultimately if you want to keep the content you paid for, you either need to buy DRM-free only, or strip that DRM yourself (which may be legally questionable depending where you are).
@AndrewMGerrard1@DaveLeeBBC That only works if you know about it sufficiently in advance. Amazon first used their kill switch on (of all things) Orwell's 1984, remotely removing it from everyone's devices. No pre-announcement, they just did it.
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@c0l0nelb0gey@OxLiving@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan and that's the point. You cannot, and nor can anyone else. Further granularity is required, particularly given that Parliament are obviously incapable of making a decision in any direction.
@c0l0nelb0gey@OxLiving@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan Yes. But the possible brexit outcomes to that are myriad more. We voted to end membership of the European Union. So EFTA is OK, Customs Union is OK, No-deal also. Which of those did people have in mind when they voted leave? And if you've an answer, explain exactly how you know
@c0l0nelb0gey@OxLiving@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan You mean the one where one side lied, cheated and committed criminal acts, in order to reach a binary desired outcome on something that always had multiple possible outcomes? If you think the outcome wasn't the result of foul play, what's your opposition to more democracy?
@mvrik599@AVMikhailova@christopherhope@HuwMerriman And *that* is exactly the sort of things that Banana republics do. Just like holding "elections" where there's only one contestant. Or, for that matter, leaders talking about how they can interpret the will of the people and all the other people are wrong.
@mvrik599@AVMikhailova@christopherhope@HuwMerriman In which case you're not seeking a true representation of what the population want. If you want to call a 2nd vote a betrayal of the first, by all means, but having a vote which does not offer all possible options because of political ideology is a betrayal of democracy
@OxLiving@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan Holding a Peoples Vote would be a fair compromise on that - not as extreme as simply revoking A50 - in my books. But, a lot of effort seems to be going in to avoid that happening at all. At which point, it would be better to revoke and reconsider IMO. And later, an inquiry
@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan I think even a soft brexit would be a mistake, but I could accept that. Ripping us out no deal, or on May's terrible deal though, is something I'm staunchly opposed to. It's uncompromising and damaging. For all her talk of healing divisions, May seems determined to worsen them
@IndieChris71@Baddiel@piersmorgan I think that's actually the biggest cause of all the objection around this. I suspect most remainers (inc me) would have accepted a soft brexit, and most leavers would too. Instead, we appear to be headed for something wanted only by the more extremist brexit fringe 1/
@piersmorgan Presumably he's objecting to the fact you're trying to extrapolate the results of a survey of 2098 adults out to a nation of over 60 million.
Plus the majority were actually against No-Deal in the extension poll (extend is still not no deal).
@GRRRRRaham_King@MartinDaubney I mean, if you're going to complain about her presence, and about Bercow, what about Andrew Griffiths and Charlie Alphicke? Both accused of some serious shit, but had the whip restored just in time for May's confidence vote. That sounds pretty corrupt to me
@makomk@supermathskid@vigneshsathyam@TomHolmes19@AllieRenison Referendums really are not a suitable vehicle for abstract plans. It's as if rather than asking about repealing the 8th, Ireland instead had a referendum saying "should we keep our constitution as is, or change it?"
@makomk@supermathskid@vigneshsathyam@TomHolmes19@AllieRenison Most democracies that have referendums ask their population to vote on a specific plan though. Not so much "do you want to leave the EU?" as "We've got this deal on the table, do we take it, remain or say shove it?". A lot of people seem opposed to asking that question though
@MisterShades@Thee_Roxy_Cox Labour Conference policy said something like "If the Government thinks they've got a good deal they should have no hesitation in asking the people".
Corbyn likes to ignore that bit.
@RogerHelmerMEP Roger that's bollocks and you know it. May has played her part, but she's not the only one. Those who promised the undeliverable need to take responsibility too, especially those like Davis who were involved in negotiations - had their chance and screwed the pooch instead.
@lenaballerina5@LeaveEUOfficial@Conservatives So vote Lib Dem, Independant, whatever, just anyone but Labour or the Tories. Even if it just means that the two parties find they feel a lot less safe in their seats when counts come out. Voting for them despite them being shit gets taken as a signal that you're OK with them
@lenaballerina5@LeaveEUOfficial@Conservatives Do you really think you should be anyway? Ignore Brexit for a sec. They've fucked the justice system, cut the police to the point it's news they're having to take on more, fucked the health service, pissed money on non-existent ferries etc. They're as unsupportable as Corbyn is
@ledbydonkeys@RogerHelmerMEP David, given the nonsensical nature of what he's said, and the date, surely Roger's just tweeted a weird April fools? For a start, May's deal is definitively the worst of both worlds. I suspect he's just bitter they caught him misusing funds
@Biano44@bobbyllew Yeah, so that's planned, but I'm fairly determined that the next move will be into something we own - so it's delayed both by finding a deposit and waiting for some certainty on Brexit, at least as far as house prices & interest rates go. Definitely won't be buying new build tho
@Biano44@bobbyllew Family ties keep us where we are, and my job's in an area with lots of interesting roles (I could get a job closer to home, but they wouldn't be as enjoyable). The distance definitely doesn't help though, and I know I'm a fairly extreme edge case. Kona looks good, but unavailable
@JamesCleverly I suspect the "get on with it" you're hearing is for the Tory party to hurry up and collapse under it's own hubris. We all know it's coming, you must know it's coming, stop making the country pay for your inability to function as a party.
@roderickadieu@StephenDevere@JamesCleverly It was absolutely amazing to see those 17.4 million people turn up in London the other da... oh, wait. It's almost like an organised referendum can attract more involvement than a petition or march? How many signatures did the WTO petition get again?
@bobbyllew I quite like the i3, but it's advertised range is < 10 miles over my daily commute, which feels like it's cutting it too close. Only takes charge point being broken on one day and a bit of traffic....
@bobbyllew Reason charging can't be made available @ home is 2 fold. 1 - we're renting so changes we can make are limited. 2, even if we weren't the designers of this (new build) estate have come up with a layout extremely hostile to getting your car anywhere you might be able to get power
@bobbyllew My daily round-trip is 184 miles. Charging isn't (& can't be made) available at home. Charging sort of available at work end (couldn't rely on it daily), and probably on route somewhere. Aside from Tesla's, is there now anything on the mkt with ~2days range? I'd love to switch
@BillBailey@theresa_may Trying to address knife violence is laudable, but the context in which the new powers have been delivered is concerning. They come from a government who passed a law requiring ISPs to record your internet browsing habits & authorising security services to mass hack hardware
@BillBailey@theresa_may Anywhere else we'd concerned about a leader who ignores Parliament, publicly claims to be the only person who knows what the people want (despite obvious opposition) & then increases the discretion of the police to conduct stop & search to counter something they caused thru cuts
If you love your kids vaccinate them. If not, then give them to social services and they'll vaccinate them. The Anti-Vaxxer mentality needs to be viewed as what it is - needlessly putting a child, and members of society at risk
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-47736643
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson Look at things like PR, peoples assemblies and whether checks and balances on the executive are actually effective.
The problem is, tho, no current party is willing to curtail the power they might have if they get into Government. There are some good MPs but they're a minority
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson wanna sort UK politics out? So do I. Start with an inquiry into the entire Brexit process from start to end, Campaign conduct all the way through to MV's. Lets get some transparency on what's happened. Bin party politics too, Tory & Labour helpfully fracturing atm anyway 2/
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson Genuinely curious to know what grounds you think they should be arrested on? I do think big questions should be asked of every single MP. But that's not what you've been doing in this thread, instead perpetuating the tribalism thats caused this mess in the first place. 1/
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson The you said as we should be out of the EU we should disregard the EU boundaries anyway. Which if you do means you're disregarding the constituency that voted leave and keeping the one that voted remain
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson Yes. Let me spell this out for you. His parliamentary constituency voted Remain. The referendum was run using EU constiuencies tho and South Bucks voted leave. So he's representing his actual constituents. You're claiming he should have to abide by the result from the EU one
@scotte313@bbcquestiontime Each will probably have a preference, just as some lesbains don't want to be referred to as 'lesbian couple' and prefer gay couple or even just couple. Generally tho as long as you're respectful people don't seem to care too much
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson But its the EU boundary that voted leave? If you want to disregard that boundary on principle, feel free, but it leaves you with the one that he represents and that voted remain
@PeterMatza@SymondsSally@George_Osborne My guess is that a few of them probably are going to sometime soon. The Tory party is clearly ready to split (Labour's getting there too). The real problem, IMO is that it should probably have happened years ago, and politics in this country is paying the price
@PeterMatza@SymondsSally@George_Osborne At the very least they should have been preparing for no deal from the outset. It's not a credible threat if you're clearly going to take massive hit from it. I think that was more incompetence & arrogance than conspiracy tho. Just dont think she's competent enough for conspiracy
@PeterMatza@SymondsSally@George_Osborne I'd say it's principled to stand by your beliefs rather than bowing down to the front benches. Certainly more principled than certain other Tory pols who voted for a deal they consider would make the UK a slave. But they're a whole other topic
@PeterMatza@SymondsSally@George_Osborne That's the thing isn't it. You're free to have your opinion, and I mine. He's also free to have his. An MPs duty is to vote with his conscience. Plenty of manifesto stuff gets ignored/actioned, and clearly May is ignoring what it said too - no deal is better than a bad deal
@scotte313@bbcquestiontime In the case of almost every couple I've ever met, the name they use is just 'couple'. I've only known people to say 'lesbian couple' about others, never about themselves. Genderfree is no different.
@PeterMatza@SymondsSally@George_Osborne But, hearing reports this may be moot anyway and that central have overruled. If thats not the case then the next GE will tell us - if he stands as ind and beats the tory the message will be clear
@caroline_wilby@joelycett@bbcquestiontime Quite right. But the lessons are there for the kids who won't be taught at home because their parents think LGBT are wrong/immoral etc
@bbcquestiontime Frankly that questiontime think it's even up for debate is just another sign of what a right wing low brow tory wankfest the show has become. Stop wasting my license fee on this shit
@bbcquestiontime Given the teaching seems to have been - LGBT exist and thats normal - yes it is. Any parent that disagrees is exactly the reason schools need to teach this stuff. Bigotry gets passed down the generations, so it has to be broken outside of the parent-child relationship
@pennylongstckng@faisalislam Next election he could stand independent, and may even beat the tory opposition. There simply isnt any info to indicate either way
@pennylongstckng@faisalislam Indeed, and thats my point. You said this showed his constituents weren't happy with him. This doesn't show anything of the sort, only that a proportion of the Tory members who bothered to turn up weren't 1/
@pennylongstckng@faisalislam That's a small proportion of his constituents though - only Tory members get to vote in these things. That's 313 people voted there. 36559 in his constituency voted Tory last election. This is basically just an angry and vocal but miniscule sample of his constituency
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson He's not MP for south Bucks though is he? He's MP for Beaconsfield.
The referendum used EU constituencies rather than parliamentary ones. Grieve represents his parliamentary constituency and not the EU one
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson So, to answer your question, he's honourably representing his constituents views as measured at the referendum, instead of toeing the party line and blindly following the front bench. Which is what's supposed to happen in a healthy democracy.
@Mac_Blu@LeopoldStotch32@BorisJohnson Err, his constituency voted remain. So he's been doing exactly what he's supposed to do which is represent them. Remember, it's only the Tory members that vote in deselection, seems a majority of those are leave, but they're still a minority in his constituency
@SymondsSally@George_Osborne His constituency voted remain. So he's been representing his constituents rather than toeing the party line. I.e he's been doing exactly what should happen in a healthy democracy. Dunno what you envision happening in this new era, but if it isn't that then we'll all be worse off
@davidjwbailey@bbclaurak In the years to come, there are going to be some hard questions asked of the BBC on just how their news reporting and @bbcquestiontime was allowed to be so slanted
@dontbrexitfixit@eucopresident Its just possible that if apathy can be overcome and lots of people vote in the euro elections that Nigel could lose his seat. That would be fantastic to watch unfold. We need to start participating and stop sceptics sending kippers who barely turn up
@IanDunt She opened with a lie though, said she's stood here before and answered questions. Don't think I've ever seen her answer a question that's asked of her so much as waffle on about what she wants to talk about
@LeaveEUOfficial You forgot to mention that you're being betrayed from within by prominent Brexiters like @BorisJohnson,@Jacob_Rees_Mogg and @DominicRaab. They criticised the idea of a 2nd ref, but are willing to support a deal that they themselves have said will make the UK a vassal sate.
@DominicRaab If you genuinely think Brexit is best for the country, then you've just betrayed your country. If you're so foolhardy as to believe May won't use a pass today as means to continue, then you've no place in Government. But then, you didn't know the importance of Dover....
@DominicRaab So you're Betraying Brexit by supporting a deal that you and other Brexiters have said will make us a vassal state (or slave as JRM put it). A deal that's so bad you resigned from government to oppose.
In doing so, you've thrown any illusion of you having principle or conviction
I'd forgotten about that. @DominicRaab actually resigned because the deal is so bad, but now he'll support it. That's a true #BrexitBetrayal if you ask me - a vocal champion of Brexit convinced to support the vassal state deal by the possibility of the PMs job becoming vacant https://twitter.com/krishgm/status/1111609348902531075
@DominicRaab showing once again he's a man of no principles, willing to turn round and support a deal everyone knows would be bad for the country, just because it means Theresa May might leave. Another #Brexit MP willing to fuck the country for personal gain https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1111608249885831168
You've spent years taking a salary from the EU & not serving your constituents because you can't be arsed to turn up. You like to talk about fishermen, how many of the Fisheries Committee meetings did you attend? Was it > or < than the number of miles you've walked on your march? https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1111406223969050624
@BBCRadio4 being as impartial and balanced on Brexit as ever then... Fuck sake. The BBC gets real opportunities to hold politicians - particularly ministers - to account, and instead feeds into their codswallop. in in later years competitors are going to use it to destroy the BBC https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1111543032334163970
I've always been fairly hot on this, we don't post images and don't let family do it either. It's simply not our #privacy to give away at the end of the day, and feeling proud as a parent doesn't override that
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-47722427
Better have a link on them to say "Don't send me AMP". Not going to hold my breath though, the number of places that send HTML only emails already.
Sorry, but emails should never be active.
HTML email reborn, as Google brings AMP to your inbox https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1481601
@DPJHodges Look up the definition of indicative votes. They're not bound by Erskine/May.
But you know that, either that or the Mail's hiring practices are incredibly questionable. Guess it could be both
@EAdams_two@grahamlithgow@LeaveEUOfficial Lucky that, because the People's vote only needed 14 votes to succeed. So lets do that, and then the people can back Francois' preferred route if that is in fact the one with support. The alternative is looking like it might be MPs supporting May's deal, and no fucker wants that
@LeaveEUOfficial I don't like him, but he's earned some respect by sticking to his principles rather than abandoning them just because May has said she'll go. Boris's principles seem to depend on whether there's a job going, and JRM's interest lies in the value of his investments.
@SeanWrightSec People are still storing passwords in plaintext (or worse like your retweet earlier) so Im going to say no. They may become less commom but not rare
@HannahB4LiviMP@GuitarMoog Corbyn was gonna come up there to bollock them, but he can't find a seat on the train.
Sorry, felt like reviving a classic as his fuckery lately winds me up too much
@AZyggi@adamboultonSKY@ImIncorrigible Some of them are complaining cos they failed to turn up for the vote, or didn't realise 2nd ref would do so well. So now they want to change their mind. The people though? nah theyve spoken, can't ask again
@ramellor@adamboultonSKY Still by a significantly smaller margin than Mays deal though. And as he said, the business motion foresaw that it'd be the case
@DPJHodges@IanDunt Mate, you work for the Mail for fuck sake. How about you give it a rest? Your paper has played it's part in creating the mess this country's in.
@ProfBrianCox That was expected though, thats why they have monday, so they can whittle out the options with low support, debate n then vote on the others
@Andrew7588@IanDunt I suspect he probably wanted to avoid any games further down the line. I mean if you're insane enough for to vote for domestic legal chaos, you're probably insane enough to claim numbers were closer without division. 105 of the fuckers though
@JeanetteAinswo5@LeaveEUOfficial Worked so well with the DUP. 1bn, and now a promise to quit and they're still not backing her deal. She's def secured her place in history, just not for reasons she'd like
@JPlasybryn@LeaveEUOfficial@BorisJohnson@Jacob_Rees_Mogg Course, remainers have been pointing that out about them for ages, but tribalism stopped people listening/believing. Hopefully though, today might save us having Boris as PM at least
@JPlasybryn@LeaveEUOfficial Ask @BorisJohnson and @Jacob_Rees_Mogg - both now support a deal they've both described as making us a vassal state. My thinking is they were both only in this for themselves and couldn't give a fuck about the country
@Felix_keeps_on@ChrisLeslieMP@UKLabour Didn't Corbyn say today that labour only backed a ref if it stops a Tory brexit, and that his deal (if he could get it) wouldn't go to a vote? Seems at odds with the statement that Government shouldn't have an issue with putting it to the people if theyre confident of their deal
Good to know that Brexit dividend isn't being spaffed up the wall....
BBC News - Government buys £12m luxury New York apartment for diplomat https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47717397
So @borisjohnson has u-turned on everything he told us about how May's deal was bad for the country. So either he was lying then, or he couldn't give a flying fuck about the country. I think it's probably both, given the man is a colossal twat https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1110973254854983681
When in reality she's made a terrible mess and then run away leaving others deal with it. Just like the last Tory PM did. If she'd actually listened rather than dictating we may not be in this mess https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1110964264167227399
Government response to the #RevokeArticle50 petition shows what happens when the govt is given some free time. Same tired phrases trotted out by DXEU. Out of their hands now anyway, incompetent scroats
So, we're going to hear more about a topic that's been - at times - completely fucking farcical on April Fools day. I don't envy any journalists having to work out what's real and what's not on Monday https://twitter.com/HugoGye/status/1110567782058479616
Surely that's worse. They were casually using a name pretty heavily tied to the KKK and didn't think anything of it? Did they think it was OK, or are they so wrapped up in their own fortunes that they don't know about the KKK? https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1110282686210412544
@mawtee72@DavidBirch2@smart_leona@bbcwm Especially given that the sort of parents who are out there protesting are not going to educate their kids honestly in this respect. It's something that needs to be taught in schools precisely because bigotry gets passed down the generations.
@Grimmsqueak@lisanandy Its the mirror of trump's "good people on both sides".
How many Leave MPs have been told not to go home because of threats? How many Remain MPs have adopted the KKK title "Grand Wizards"? There are decent people on both sides, I'm sure, but the threats seem to be frm leave
@Bryant_Mitchell@hackerfantastic Alternatively, which has the best speakers. If they're a parent, threatening to play babyshark on loop will be more effective than a beating
@cjmclean80@WillHeaven@davidallengreen@DominicRaab That, exactly that. Any idiot could write a bill of rights and have it forced through by their eurosceptic comrades. Something actually acceptable to the population is an entirely different proposition.
@FSvedang@DominicRaab Well, for a start it'd be written by Raah so would be wrong in many places, other bits wouldn't mean what they said, and it'd immediately block any critics
@Crozzerlfc@DominicRaab@mrjamesob He's definitely seen it, he posted a childish retort and then blocked @mrjamesob. Seemed to want to give the impression he hadn't been caught with his pants down.
@tpanalysis@DominicRaab Well, he certainly leads by example by being constructive with the truth. There are far, far more competent leavers you could support if leave is your thing.
If you're threatening or attacking MPs, whether they're #Leave or #Remain then you're not a rebel. You're a petty thug who doesnt respect the democratic institution at the centre of our country, and deserve the sentence you get.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47691606
@IanDunt My high school went into special measures. One of my mates got jumped in an alley by a crowd who'd nicked hammers from DT & It was still a fuckload less dysfunctional than this govt. It was rough but there was a sort of consistency
Just a reminder of the type of politican that @DominicRaab is.
Spouts uninformed nonsense (or worse, lies) and then when he's called out on it blocks the journalist doing it and tries to pretend that it never happened. https://twitter.com/Doozy_45/status/1109810913962610688
@Manwithaview1@ShaiHussain@Femi_Sorry Being blocked or put on a list is fairly common unfortunately, and not just limited to Brexit. I was discussing Corbyn and "that" meeting the other day, and one of his followers blocked me and then told the others I'm against paying taxes or wages. Which was news to me...
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry Read the rest of the thread, and you'll understand the answer to your question. You're comparing two very different numbers in entirely different contexts
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry is to look at the leave petition, which is doing piss poorly. We know leave are pretty capable of organising, though I think they've been caught by surprise a little by the Revoke petition, but it does beg the question of why there are so few signatures on the opposing petition
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry You should probably also consider raw numbers - has her constituency grown or shrunk by any measurable proportion in the years since the referendum, as that can also skew the percentages (in either direction). As this isn't a ballot, the only way to assess the "leave" feeling
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry That's not an argument for or overturning the referendum on the basis of it. I'm simply pointing that if you want to invoke Abbot when insulting someone's maths you should probably show you know how to assess numbers in context rather than prima facie
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry After a few days of social media coverage, no government leaflets or door to door campaigning, that 9% of her constituency have signed it is actually bloody impressive. Especially if you compare that to the "leave now" petition figures for her constituency.
@norfolkmum1@Anna_Soubry The referendum with weeks of high profile campaigning and Tv time "only" managed a 78.3% turnout (actually, that's a bloody good turnout for these things) in Broxtowe. So, 54.6% of 78.3% is 42% of her constituency voting leave. 1/
@stevenjroberts5@Anna_Soubry And some percentage of her constituents also lack easy access to get online, and/or time to do things like sign a petition. So the denominator is just as meaningless. Extremely unlikely 100% have read the petition
Anyone else find whenever @google release an update to the gmail app you have to spend time hunting ror settings to turn the new shit off? I've yet to find one I decide I want
@PeterOHanrahaH@courty1793@Doozy_45@PaulStenton1 Based on other Tories, we can probably expect to see some kind of deselection effort for him soon. Whether it'll be successful is something else
@NickFitz I did see a tweet yesterday of someone who said they'd spoken to some coppers there and they'd guessed at 2 mil. Really hope that isn't in fact the source.
@AndyPusey@KeithOlbermann@damocrat But this thread is about @DominicRaab?A man so incompetent he didn't know the relevance of dover. A man so thinskinned he blocks a journalist for tweeting his own words, which came about because of a smug interview he tweeted at said journalist. Even Corbyn aint that thick
@adambanksdotcom I agree, Ben is wrong, but only because he's not been doing it long enough to be able to look back and realise. It's fulfilling to self-characterise as "all my own doing", but fortune always plays a role - being in the right place at the right time still requires luck
What I find telling though, is that he told it after I'd pointed out that Corbyn didn't help himself the other day. Suggests that some of the more dedicated Corbynite's have a somewhat relaxed relationship to the truth
@alexwickham > neither would not command the confidence of the House
Be interesting to know whether they think any Tory would. Or, currently, whether any politician would? Seems unlikely most ERG types would be able to, for example
@librab103@adamspiers@nlitchfield@AlecMuffett 2nd ref still won't tell you exactly why people vote the way they do, but using 2nd preference or similar should get some granularity of what they want - Remain, no-deal, Mays deal. Maybe mix in some legal accountability for people telling obvious porkies whilst campaigning 2 e/
@librab103@adamspiers@nlitchfield@AlecMuffett The same question could be, and has been asked for the original vote though - was the leave vote because of lies about turkish migrants, promises of the easiest deal ever etc? And that's the point, you cannot read granularity into a simple binary question. 1/
@declan_travers@therealsoundhog@mikegalsworthy The earlier footage did the same, but had explanatory note to say theyd sped it up. 90s footage but took the drone 9m to fly. Presumably figured noone would watch for a full 9 mins. Would make for a boring segment IMO, and shows how big it was, smaller realtime segment wouldn't
@GracieSamuels@daveh100100100@TheWestonMike@BenJolly9@Catheri77148739 Curious, I watched a journalist ask Corbyn about it and he didn't say any of that. And, tbh, I couldn't give a fuck if it wasn't the meeting he'd requested, he should've worked with it. Guardian says he left the meeting too and a lab spokesman didn't correct them?
@daveh100100100@GracieSamuels@TheWestonMike@BenJolly9@Catheri77148739 Probably would've been the headline, though, if Jeremy hadn't first left for a much more spurious reason. The media do have it in for him, but he still made the choice to put his issue with Chukka before country, and gave them easy ammo. Thats not a reassuring quality in a leader
@APERSONLOLHA@Oneoneder@gabewildau Ok, I can see you're nuts. I don't have the qualifications you need in someone you should talk to, so last tweet. Its entirely possible for the Chinese government to be oppressing a minority without any US involvement.
@LordMVee@MFIJake@GeorgeAylett Corbyn's plan will still be divisive though, not least because those who want no-deal will stir the pot (again) to paint as a betrayal. There are also more steps needed to get there - would need a GE, a labour win and a majority to get the deal through parliament
@surfsensei60@RogueCoder250@NicolaSturgeon Well if/when it does happen, you now know just how competent our lot in Westminister are going to be when it comes to discussing the border. Expect to use the phrase "that's not even a thing" a lot. Oh, and if Raab gets leadership, have a map ready....
@GracieSamuels@TheWestonMike@BenJolly9@Catheri77148739 While he's right that Chukka's not a party leader, he should have put the needs of the country first. Especially given how routinely the Tories are putting party before country.
@GracieSamuels@TheWestonMike@BenJolly9@Catheri77148739 I don't think it's the talking to the IRA that's actually being objected to in that image ;) It's more to do with us being in the middle of a national crisis, with the clock ticking down, only for Jeremy to walk out of talks designed to break the stalemate because Chukka
@LordMVee@MFIJake@GeorgeAylett As opposed to the other options - Revoking, No-Deal, Mays deal. None of those will cause division, right? Because those currently *are* the options available. I'd say a PV is the least divisive of those in the long term.
Various #Brexit'ers pointing out that the 1 million at #PeoplesVoteMarch is still less than voted leave. I tell you what, it's going to fucking amazing to see when @nigel_farage's march to london concludes with 17.4m people turning up. That's how it works right?
@Baddiel Streisand of course, totally not famous for opening her mouth at the wrong time. Definitely doesn't have an effect named after her referring to opening your mouth at the wrong time and drawing more attention to something you wanted to keep quiet.
@APERSONLOLHA@Oneoneder@gabewildau The very existence of *internment camps* suggests that there's something really not right going on here. These aren't a few terrorists being locked up in secure prisons, this is 10's of thousands of Uighurs being held against their will for "re-education" (the original excuse) /e
@APERSONLOLHA@Oneoneder@gabewildau oppressive regimes then tend to start accusing (and framing) people they don't like under those legitimate laws. Things like terrorism are particularly useful because people don't feel any sympathy for terrorists and often won't question the accusation. 2/
@APERSONLOLHA@Oneoneder@gabewildau I'm not gonna get too deep into the specific example of the Uighurs, but generally speaking "legitimate" laws like terrorism/treason tend to be used when people are being oppressed. Passing a law that says Uighurs are illegal invites too much external scrutiny. 1/
@WestminsterWAG Was the 2016 in referendum not, in fact, also overturning a democratic vote in 1975?
That's part of the point in democracy, if the people will it you can change course. And you show that will via petitions and marches, and then might eventually get a vote
FWIW I'd actually prefer a #PeoplesVote to Revoking. But, given the obvious impasse, and the dangers of a no-deal brexit (particularly with an incompetent government) revoking and re-assessing should also be an option.
@PeoplesMomentum@TheIndGroup Hows Jezza hoping to fix Brexit by throwing tantrums and walking out of talks?
Lets focus on stopping a Tory Brexit rather than infighting eh?
Looks like the Beeb have fixed the headline from its clickbaity misleading original
BBC News - Why bots probably aren't gaming the 'Cancel Brexit' petition https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47668946
@charlesarthur@counternotions But the underlying point in it, at this point, is to show that there's strength of feeling, and that May's suggestion she knows what we want is rubbish.
What it may do, as an ancillary is embolden some of the MPs to pull their fingers out.
@JonMillican He's determined to prove it's a dangerous Tory Brexit by refusing to do anything about it, and 3 line whipping against stuff that might block it. Once it's happened, he's gonna open up his A game and tell us all how he was right and it was a nasty Tory Brexit
@SteveBakerHW Don't just wave your hand and say "technology". Point to an existing technical solution that works at the necessary scale, and meets the necessary requirements. Hell, if you could just understand those requirements we'd be a step closer to a solution than we are now
@SteveBakerHW > to replace the backstop with a permanent solution capable of delivering
an invisible and compliant border in Ireland
The backstop is there for when you fail to find a solution you absolute bell-end.
Problem is no-one's been able to suggest a workable/acceptable solution
Presumably @JuliaHB1 has failed to read the second email properly, otherwise she'd know that it'll have told her that she's already signed.
But then, she probably does know that and is spreading her usual low-level FUD https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1109087647706873857
@lorri29959@01101001@mrjamesob@GreenSquareUK olfson also blamed a "far worse than expected" slump in Next's share price and the issuing of a profit warning, on customers preferring non-clothing Christmas presents.
Another "NOT BREXIT" type basically
@lorri29959@01101001@mrjamesob@GreenSquareUK He's also a Tory life peer (his dad was Next CEO too, and is also a life peer). Though apparently he doesn't bother attending the Lords, though he did manage to turn up for long enough to vote in favour of cutting working tax credits.
@BBCWorld They grant the extension, how the fuck do you frame that as them "winning" some breathing space? It was the UK under May's shit leadership that needed it, not them.
@IeuanCFrancis@Riggs_martin@IanDunt That's quite possible too, though the important question there is - second best option for whom? Country or Party. My inclination is it's the latter she's thinking of, she was Chairwoman of the tories at one point, I think she'd burn the country if it kept the party together
Oh good, more footage of @Nigel_Farage lying.
He can only be lying because he's opposed to the only way of seeing for sure if the country *is* more resolute in that view. As for polls, he ran one of those on Peston and has quietly ignored the result https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1108718422454648833
@Riggs_martin@IanDunt Her tactics all the way through the last couple of months have relied on Brinkmanship, I see no reason she'd abandon that now. I mean, she _should_ because it's not working, but she's incapable of reading in new information
@ByDonkeys Do those who've dropped out of the march get their £50 back? I mean, Nige would be alright with that right? If we can tell the EU we're not paying them the £39bn we previously agreed to pay.
@Tucker5law I love that @Jacob_Rees_Mogg is *so* posh that he points to a story about Next passing on "modest" savings to shoppers. If Next passed on heavy savings, their clothes would still be too overpriced for most people.
@jamesdoleman No, No, that's not how you protest them. You need to buy one, and then put a video of you burning it (or flushing down the bog) on Youtube
@RichardHarrold@mikegalsworthy The problem is, ending that membership has been put forward as a way to resolve many real problems which are actually unrelated. With the completely inept way our government has handled this, it's also possible that exiting will cause some fairly serious problems of their own
@blackroomsec@johnchiment exactly this. Its either a pointless soundbite or they're going to use it to justify demanding way over the odds. Places I've worked that felt more like family never felt the need to say it
@reb_femme@carlldne3@Anna_Soubry@LeaveEUOfficial No, no, I'm one of the "elite", or so I'm told. Doesn't feel like it to me though
Well done for quoting me, though you've still supplied a reference that says it can be extended, so you've not really proven anything.
Unless you're saying you're not opposed to an extension?
@MisterShades@J_amesp True enough, yes. Although you'd hope the analyst wouldn't go into it looking to prove it was a DDoS rather than using the data to assess whether it was. Not saying it never happens, nor that the "customer" would never misrepresent the report. Both happen unfortunately
@MisterShades@J_amesp be normal and you'd be discounted from the numbers. Course, you're still contributing load and helping the thing fall over, so it's not a good thing to do. /end
@MisterShades@J_amesp Just because I'm feeling picky. They won't see your MAC at all, that'll only be in your packets until the next hop. A good analyst will also factor in behaviour - the numbers autoupdate periodically, so as long as you're sat with the page open, the delta between requests will 1/
@natts@NickFitz You're right (in the other tweet), Government is not a business. While you're in there though, please pay more attention to how things are run. You're not wrong about money being wasted, but it doesn't mean they'd just set something to auto-scale with no cap, except as a mistake
@natts@NickFitz Look, to be honest, if we're not talking about what we were talking about them I'm done with this thread. It's been a long, long week and I'd rather go and chill with a gin. Would note though, I'm not sure you know how a cap works with scaling on AWS, you don't get a meter ;)
@natts@NickFitz Right, and this entire thread was about people who seem to have been arguing that they're at fault because you should just have it auto-scale. You yourself seem to have intimated that you don't think budget should be a concern, and that they should "just" scale. 1/
@cjr1968@MylesJackman I guess the question, is whether there *should* be an equivalent. I mean, think about how the law treats a first-aider in an emergency. If you do something you're trained for (say, CPR) then you're reasonably sound, but if you try a tracheotomy with a biro, you're likely liable
@MylesJackman When I saw his trial before, feelings were a bit mixed. He *does* seem to have taken a lot of care. On the other hand, the rules are there to protect against the worst effects (i.e. the cowboys), so you're either licensed or your not. Jail seems too harsh though
@natts@NickFitz@AWS Just because Government budgets get missed, doesn't mean that any department is free to say "fuck the budget" and not try and constraint spending. You still have to *try* and meet the target the bean counters have set - usually whilst complaining up the chain about them
@natts@NickFitz Budget is very, very important in public sector organisations, even if they collectively miss those budgets. I remember the MoD switching printer paper for recycled paper that was damn near brown and made the print near illegible. The saving per ream were tiny, but budget
@natts@NickFitz But the idea that you should auto-scale everything without bounds is farcical. There are other inputs to consider than raw uptime. Cost is a major driver and needs to be assessed vs the impact of downtime. Most will set a limit a bit above the max expected level
@natts@NickFitz The reality though, is that neither of us knows why their app was deployed as it is. Perhaps their requirements preclude auto-scaling without a cap, a budget is just one of those requirements. Perhaps they've done studies of previous traffic levels and set a cap accordingly
@natts@NickFitz Except it obviously wasn't because the issue was present. Bugs happen, shit gets missed, that's life in production. Odds are it isn't just going to get turned back on, but refactored to put some caching in place
@natts@NickFitz It's just as easy to review your codebase and implement caching etc to reduce the routine load at the same time. That hasn't happened either. The most likely reason being that there isn't the budget for it. Auto-scaling up simply masks the issue & today was far from routine load
@natts@NickFitz Yes, but they only know about that because the issue happened and they've investigated. Odds are if that trending data had been a known potential bottleneck someone would already have implemented caching for it. You're operating with the benefit of hindsight here
@natts@NickFitz@AWS I didn't suggest the deficit was a fiction. I was saying it's quite possible to remain within budget *and* for Government debt to increase
@natts@NickFitz Honestly, If you're waiting until requests are actually not being served, then you've left it too late. But intervening sooner carries the risks I've talked about. Tho my comment there was in relation to your saying you'd have protections in place 2 deal with the stresser example
@natts@NickFitz > Actually, no look-ups required if you are caching properly
But that's the point, this is one of the problems they've had today. Auto-scaling can act as a bandage and mitigate the impact of that to an extent, but it's just pissing money away until you hit the 1/
@natts@NickFitz@AWS Although I see where you're coming from, that's not entirely accurate either. It's more than possible for the base-running costs to exceed the max you can pay without increasing debt. No-one sane would set their budget lower than the lowest you can reduce to. Mind you, it is gov
@natts@NickFitz As you say, you can add detection to catch some use-cases, but now you've added complexity (and therefore increased cost of management). It's far simpler to just have a higher-than-likely cap on your auto-scaling and agree to review if that cap is ever hit. end/
@natts@NickFitz to accept the input and then have you verify by clicking the link in an email. So you'd still have all the DB lookups and queries up to that stage. Not to mention the queries for view only visitors (real or otherwise). 2/
@natts@NickFitz The £5m was pulled out of, well you can guess :)
The problem is, you still need to scale up to accept those requests coming in (in order to have capacity to discard the dodgy ones) so even if you drop suspicious stuff early on there's still a cost. Their current model is 1/
@davidebrady@BirdycatBooks@AnnieLennox either of those options is disastrous for democracy in this country. A huge amount of people are going to feel betrayed, either because we were dragged into no-deal without adequate planning by the govt, or because the decision was overturned. /end
@davidebrady@BirdycatBooks@AnnieLennox not that I think it'd be wise for them to simply Revoke. But if a 2nd referendum is being ruled out/blocked then they're going to have to choose between no-deal and revoking. Even if that revocation is only to buy time to work out how to move forward. 2/
@davidebrady@BirdycatBooks@AnnieLennox We probably shouldn't abandon democracy in pursuit of preserving democracy either. Part of our democratic system is that citizens can petition the house, and that may result in changes to law. The petition cannot overrule the referendum, but Parliament is sovereign and can 1/
@reb_femme@carlldne3@Anna_Soubry@LeaveEUOfficial Was when we were going to serve Article 50 on the referendum?
Sorry, its you guys trying to boil this down to "the ballot didn't say anything about a deal", so I'm just trying to work within your parameters.
@Mythic_Beasts There has been a suggestion that their application is in fact a little too transactional in the way it speaks to the database - so that's a fairly likely outcome by the sounds of it
@natts@NickFitz@AWS There should always be a cap, and any automation in place must be made to respect that. If it doesn't, then you've either failed to think about an expensive failure mode, or do in fact have an unlimited budget. Government most certainly does not fall into the latter
@natts@NickFitz@AWS OK, so lets say they set up auto-scaling without a cap. I, a disgruntled voter, point a bunch of stressers at it to try and knock it offline. It scales up admirably & withstands the attack. At the end of the month, AWS's bill is £5m for that one site. Good use of taxpayer funds?
@davidebrady@BirdycatBooks@AnnieLennox Our Prime Minister literally made a speech last night about what she thinks we do, and do not think, and how she wants Parliament to do the same. It does not trump a referendum, I agree, but the strength of feeling in this and other polls would suggest perhaps we need to re-check
@rakeogh@EmmaKennedy Numbers here, it really isn't that many. Plus petitions are open to British Citizens, who may well live overseas (or be overseas on business etc). British dependancies like Gibraltar are included separately but are directly affected
https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1108727722010767360
@AlexJamesHaines@GuitarMoog I agree, the more democratic route would be to have a #PeoplesVote in order to re-assess the public mood. But not only is there not the time, there are attempts being made to block it. So, it may be necessary to Revoke and then re-assess if a no-deal is to be avoided.
@epicyclism@nellslad@willieckerslike@pmdfoster@theresa_may You know, reading it I had that sense that something was missing, that's what it is - the Withdrawal act. I suspect an argument of some form could probably be made on that one too, but as you say it's not in there
For avoidance of doubt, that's just 3.8% percent. So for anyone wondering about old @GuidoFawkes claim that foreign powers have taken over the petition, the answer is that they must not be trying very hard to support #RevokeArticle50 at all
@Haravikk@lewis_goodall That would be a constitutional crisis and not a political one.
We *have* a constitution, though whether it's worth anything is subjective and up for debate /end
@Haravikk@lewis_goodall The point is, it doesn't preclude a constitutional crisis.
For example, constitutionally, once they've passed the houses, bills go off for Royal Assent. Now, in principle, the Queen could say "I'm not signing that", and the bill wouldn't become law.
1/
@jrmaidment@theresa_may last night you were telling me you're on my side, and now this? That's a true #BrexitBetrayal if you ask me.
You're looking more and more like a nasty little wannabe dictator with recent tactics
@TraceF1@carlldne3@Anna_Soubry@LeaveEUOfficial Not at all, this thread is about politicians allegedly not standing up for what they should. @Nigel_Farage started a walk to show support for Brexit, but fucked off rather than hanging about. Mention of the poll is a tangent, though, I admit
@Haravikk@lewis_goodall What might be a constitutional crisis is when the Queen gets fed up of hearing about Brexit on @BBCRadio4 *every* morning, walks into Parliament, and says "You're all cunts, Parliament is dissolved" and then walks out
@Haravikk@lewis_goodall Who told you that? Of *course* we have a constitution.
We don't have a written/codified constitution like the US, but our constitution draws from statute law, common law, parliamentary convention and various works of authority.
So a constitutional crisis is perfectly possible
@carlldne3@Anna_Soubry@LeaveEUOfficial I don't see 29 March on there anywhere either? So you're not opposed to a longer extension so that things can be sorted out (like kicking May out and getting someone credible (sorry Jeremy) in her place?), and the country can actually do some preparing for no-deal?
@kernow4corbyn@JohnJCrace And he was there to try and discuss how to avert a disaster. Corbyn, once again has acted as an enabler for a particularly nasty Tory Brexit. He needs to grow up and start thinking of the country.
@RogerHelmerMEP Dealt a winning hand? Hell no. She was given a poor hand and told to bluff. It's her fault she went along with it though
You're complicit and trying to play the blame game just as much as she is
I mean, fuck, you first emailed on 17 Feb 2018, and didn't get any response, haven't had any since. The sane and correct thing to do under GDPR would be do remove that data if you cannot prove you have meaningful consent to be holding it
@jobzooma_#GDPR came into force nearly a year ago & you're still emailing me asking what to do with my data cos "we haven't heard from you". Why are you still holding onto it after all this time? Take the hint.
Yes I could click the link, but it's worrying that you require that
@JolyonMaugham What we need really is for just one person to sit on there, and set up a live stream so that everyone else can watch the numbers go up...
@DominicRaab "Vote of confidence" - will not lead to extra jobs or investment.
All it means is they're improving efficiency, and not pulling any money out. That's not a vote of confidence, that's maintaining the status quo and lowering their own exposure by reducing operating costs a bit
@JamieHolePunch I've got 3 cans left in the fridge. Family have been warned off, but I'm doing that thing where you don't actually drink something you want cos you don't want it to be gone.
@cpondskater@PaulinCardiff@jessphillips@andrealeadsom Thankfully the world is spared the horror of what might be going through her mind during those brief moments. We should savour them instead of worrying about what comes next
@EssexPR@jessphillips whats unprofessional about an MP standing her ground and refusing to give in to intimidation? Or do you just not like the word "fuck"? Why does the word fuck scare you Adam?
So she's blaming Parliament? Yes we're fucking tired, so call a #PeoplesVote and let us make the decision. @theresecoffey it's time for you to grow a backbone and vote on conscience, not party lines
So the other day, @quornfoods "chicken" nuggets were cheaper than the real deal. Figured a bit of veggie protein is healthier than mrm so gave em a try. Can't tell the difference, so we'll keep buying if the price is right
Will prob try Mcd version too
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47636206
@fishahhh@lloydcarl@Crooklar@RachelRileyRR And Deutsche-banks assessment of his worth basically means that all he's actually got is that money he was given, minus interest
After 3 years of self-indulgent posturing, u-turns, fuck ups & resignations in govt, @theresa_may claims the house has been self-indulgent. Thats a revisionist approach to history, but she's too busy trying to save the @conservatives. Fuck the rest of us
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47636011
To be fair, streaming Steam games from an AWS VM, over a VPN to my PC with "In-Home Streaming" has always worked well enough for me. I'd be more worried about the price to be honest. And when the net is down...
https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1476705
Fuck off @DonaldJTrumpJr. Don't talk about elites and pretend like you're not one. It might only be because your grand-daddy gave your dad some money, but you've still lived the life of an elite.
p.s. Tell your dad to fuck off too
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47634365
Oh, If only it were possible to regulate the strength rather than allowing the black market to decide...
BBC News - Potent cannabis increases risk of serious mental illness, says study https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47609849
@IanDunt Between her justifying things as "will of the people" despite having no way to know if that's the truth, and ignoring Parliament in order to make unilateral decisions like this, it really is starting to feel like we're stumbling away from democracy and towards dictatorship
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics Oh, I agree. I think she's also seen an opportunity to try and twist things towards her own way too, which is where some of the red lines appeared from. We know from her time at HS that she's very anti-immigrant, and has always been an authoritarian. She was always a bad choice
@connolly_lg@JohnSimpsonNews@Gordy_Mc1ntosh@BBCNews And the really sad thing is, when this is all over (one way or another), enemies of the BBC are going to try and leverage this new distrust to try and destroy the BBC for their own commercial gain. Just like the NHS, it'll be death by 1000 cuts, and for what?
@JohnSimpsonNews Brexit _may_ not have broken the BBC itself, but the BBC's approach to it has certainly broken my trust in their reporting. @bbcquestiontime is a prime example of what's gone wrong, along with Newsnight. @BBCNews needs to go back to reporting facts rather than trying to spin
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics To be honest, I just don't think it needs any kind of conspiracy for Brexit to fail, because May and her government are more than capable of fucking it up for themselves. /end
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics There's something of a skew in perception from the fact that the most visible and disorganised rabble (the government) are also the ones working on getting us out - so they're affected more frequently. But, that's just my opinion. 3/
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics I think he'd be hard pressed, though, to justify overturning something that's been observed so rigorously for so long though - as he pointed out, the reason it's not been enforced in a while is because it's not been breached. Sounds like May plans to resubmit anyway so 1/
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics So if they want, the house could still support a motion to set aside & then reject the deal. Thats a bit long winded but preferable to ignoring parliamentary process. If we're gonna leave, lets not start by corrupting our own system. That way lays serious pain
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics Thing is, parliament can still choose to vote on the WA. All Bercow's done is stop the govt from forcing a vote. They can table a motion to set aside the procedure in this case, and the house can approve it if they want to vote again on the WA. 1/
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics the possible impact on Brexit, but the simple fact is the government's position here is indefensible. There was even talk of bringing back a 4th time if 3rd failed. That's an executive trying to bully the house into accepting a deal that some %age of even leavers don't want /end
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics So in order to take back control, you're willing to cede all control to an authoritarian executive in the hope that it gives you what you want? Or to make Parliament more sovereign you're willing to have it be less sovereign when it suits?
I understand the concern about /1
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics The executive is currently in the minority (otherwise they'd have no issue getting their motions to pass). There's no more evidence either way that no-deal has a majority over a deal, nor vice-versa.
But I think we're all agreed that May's deal is *truly* shit.
@halfbob@european_kate@AtoShroom@BBCPolitics But plotting and scheming is precisely what May has been doing. You might be willing to tolerate it because it gets us closer to your goal, but that's hypocrisy.
This same Gov that's complaining about being deprived of this vote fought Gina Miller in court to stop the first vote
@BBCPolitics Truly shitty reporting tactics by BBC here, bringing the worst of the tabloids to what used to be a respectable institution.
Every one of your questions was answered, on the record, in parliament. Your approach lowers you to being a license payer funded Tommy Robinson wannabe
So I finally got around to watching @BenjaminZand's Dictatorland the night before last, and now one of the episodes is out of date...
BBC News - Kazakh leader Nazarbayev resigns after three decades https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-47628854
@TheLastLeg#IsItOk that just after she announced she'd vote for Theresa May's deal, Esther McVey's constituency was given £21 million by the chancellor? #NotBriberyHonestGuv
@CryptonApps Hmmm, interestingly I've got exactly the same version.
Bollocks, sorry I've just re-read the flow I gave you.... try this
Settings -> Choose an email ID -> Inbox categories
Then hopefully you'll get the list of stuff to untick. And of course, you have to do it per-account
@Dakeb_MCFC Strange how it was never a binary decision during campaigning though isn't it? In fact, some prominent no-deal backers even ruled out no-deal during campaining.
But then, trusting such a complex decision to a single binary choice was absolutely idiotic in the first place
@CryptonApps Yeuch, I really hope that isn't just that you're a revision ahead of me on the client :(
It is exactly the sort of thing they used to push under there though. Would be very sad if they've removed the ability to hide it
@Dakeb_MCFC Well, if you're gonna blame them for that then you're also going to need to blame the people who failed to define brexit, not all of who are MPs. But, you can also very easily blame the MPs for being utterly shambolic
@CryptonApps That said, I don't see ads in the Gmail app and haven't in a very long time - have you turned off the promotions bollocks they were previously using to push them?
@CryptonApps See for me, the integration of Gmail with Android used to be a reason to keep my Apps for Domains going (not just me on it, so I have to factor other's needs in too).
But, every bloody change they make is pushing me closer and closer to pulling the plug
@Dakeb_MCFC Them having conditions for us extending Art50 doesn't make us servants. *We* invoked Art50 without doing any planning, we decided a deal was such a given that we then didn't do any no-deal planning. Blame UK politicians, because this current mess is *entirely* their fault.
These Brexiters are a funny lot, they go on about how much the EU interferes in UK politics and then come out with shit like this when things aren't going quite the way they want them to.
The EU "must" interfere in a way they haven't been previously? Yuh... huh. https://twitter.com/Dakeb_MCFC/status/1107988892635095040
@jas88@Atvar99@AndrewMarr9 But agreed, asking for an extension is her preference and the logical way forward. But, EU have been very clear it must be for a specific reason and not just to try and renegotiate
@jas88@Atvar99@AndrewMarr9 There's debate about that actually. The requirement is that whats constituionally necessary must be done, so that could be an act, or could be royal prerogative. The clincher tho is whether the withdrawal act preempted royal perog - it would definitely get challenged in court
@catherinemep That's the irony of Nigel Farrage lobbying his friends in Europe to veto, he may just force parliaments hand and cause the revocation of Article 50.
Course, then he could carry on making money by going around and speaking about what a betrayal it was, rather than being blamed
@Atvar99@AndrewMarr9 Doing nothing and accepting the default is still a *choice*. She'd be choosing to do that over revoking. Don't think it's Marr that's missed a point on this one - even if he often does miss the point
@timoreilly@benedictevans I don't think Tumblr's decision was the right one. They took the easy corporate way out, rather than making hard decisions. It's "only" 30% of traffic that dropped, but what percentage could they afford to lose before it hit profitability.
They could have handled this 10x better
@JuliaHB1 Unlike you, Julia, Bercow seems to do some reading and research before speaking. You know, rather than making up and repeating easily disprovable bollocks.
@rhonjemuk Did one of the writers of the thick of it comment recently and say they'd considered a Brexit version, but couldn't work out how the hell they'd satirise something that's already so ridiculous? Our MPs are basically a charicature of themselves....
Breaking the constitution by enforcing a rule that's existed and been observed for centuries, and that @theresa_may and her rabble find inconvenient.....
Whats really happening is the government's been caught short, and it hasn't a bag to piss in https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1107673390050148352
@SphericalFox@mrjamesob He explained why the second time was OK - because there was actually a change and new information provided. Though he first recounted how discourteous the government had been :)
@drewbonce@BBCkatyaadler Parliament's vote against no-deal wasn't binding, but the A50 extension one is viewed as being so. So she shouldn't be able to just outright ignore it. Doesn't mean there isn't a backdoor way of achieving a crash-out though. Feels like anything's possible at the mo, to be honest
@Traderbarn@pleurotesonore@logan291sal@RichardDawkins Not my terminology, a repetition I see used regularly. I accept you didn't use it. What a gun does, is make everyone equally capable of making a mistake & killing the wrong person, also increasing the availability of firearms to that man. Better just not to live in fear
@fraser_anning You're a lying racist cunt. Simple as that.
You know you're talking shit, because this trope has been repeatedly shown to be untrue. So much so, it's an actual fucking meme.
But anything to distract from beating up minors eh?
@pleurotesonore@Traderbarn@logan291sal@RichardDawkins There are in fact entire countries where the majority of police are not armed. I live in one. The idea that you're more of a man for having a gun than you are for beating the living shit out of an attacker is stupid. Men don't need knives either.
@drewbonce@BBCkatyaadler We could still crash out, yes. Any one of the EU27 can veto the extension, and Farage has been lobbying various EU contacts to try and get them to do just that. If they did, we'd need to either revoke A50, accept May's deal or go no-deal.
@RestoreHope_20@Andrew_Adonis I look forward to Brexiter's pointing out how few people turned out vs the population of the UK, whilst ignoring the fact that Farrage couldn't even muster 100 people for his walk
@EE Because of this & other things, I buy my phones outright & am simonly. You've lost out on a chunk of revenue from me that you're never getting back. The main reason I haven't dropped you entirely is because the other networks really are just as crap, but in different ways /end
@EE At the time I had an Galaxy S4, which on other networks can do VoWifi, but EE wouldn't release a firmware update to enable it, effectively using their own lack of coverage as leverage to try and sell more phones. 4/
@EE for 3g being good. I had to fight to get a femtocell from you so that I could sufficiently strengthen 3G so that 4g wouldn't be preferred. Your leadership would rather push us to buy new phones with VoWifi than support the stuff we've already paid for. 3/
@EE I had an issue a while back because your 4G signal was intermittent and very weak. 3G was strong, but phone would prefer 4G, lose the signal and then wait 1 min before falling bk. Result was my phone was unreachable 90% of the time I was at home despite your coverage 2/
@EE Honestly, its just general meh. Not just you though, its the entire industry in the UK. Improving coverage rather than chasing headline figures would be a start. Your director of regulation wants to "excite" us about 5G, but your 4g offering is still far from complete 1/
@666david@DTagg64@ByDonkeys@Nigel_Farage Given Farage's links to Bannon, I suspect we'll see some of the tactics used that were used for Trumps rallies once it reaches London, and there'll be some participants invited in exchange for money... err donations, to swell the numbers a bit
@JackieHKnapp@JolyonMaugham That's the bit that worries me about Corbyn's desire for a GE. I wouldn't vote Labour with the party in it's current state. Obviously wouldn't vote Tory, so who is there left? If the country as a whole goes Tory or Labour we're equally screwed because their both useless
Well, that thread sucks to read, but it was kind of obvious it was going to end up being the outcome. Personal safety has to come first, and the ego's of some just couldn't respect that. It's a loss IMO https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1107122528646914048
@mrjamesob The first lot, they've been shouting about how poor May's deal is, that it'll make us a vassal state etc and that we'd be better off with No-Deal. If they then support May's deal just to get a Brexit they've sold all their principles as well as the country out.
@MaureenLycaon@MichaelEHuck@oneunderscore__ Even with supervision its a risk, what with edgelords splicing stuff into otherwise innocuos stuff. Really you'd need to pre-review stuff, which isn't doable. I use a trusted source instead
@MarALagoFuckOff@oneunderscore__ As someone pointed out earlier, if NFL owned copyright on the killing video the major platforms would have taken it down extremely effectively
As much of a joke as the advertising industry's "opt-out" pages are, it's sometimes worth going to them and opting out to make sure that @EFF's privacy badger recognises and blocks each of the domains there
@Scally43@tearsonurcheek@Atavistic_Chris@slpng_giants@YouTube Resulting in a slightly lesser kneejerk. Instead they've ignored all concerns and reports around Russia, extremism, safety of material on youtube kids etc. Their complete lack of self-regulation invites regulation by Governments. Not that theyre unique in this regard /end
@Scally43@tearsonurcheek@Atavistic_Chris@slpng_giants@YouTube Oh, I agree that kneejerk reactions can have unexpected consequences. But that's actually sort of the point - when something like this happens there *will* be a kneejerk response. Had @YouTube been more responsie before something happened, then impact would have been reduced 1/
@Scally43@tearsonurcheek@Atavistic_Chris@slpng_giants@YouTube Thats not what you said though is it? Moving the goalposts. Youtube have been warned for years that the blatant lies being distributed on their platform were breeding right wing extremists. They did fuck all, except monetise as much as they could
@EstherMcVey1 complains that ignoring a 3 line whip is destroying democracy.
Whips, by their very fucking nature, are anti-democratic. It's literally telling MPs to toe the party line instead of representing constituents
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47584616
@OzKaterji@YouTube is a complete shithole nowadays. It's full of RW propoganda, paedos in the comments, "troll" videos with shit spliced into kids videos.
I've taken the step of blocking it at home as even Youtube Kids isn't safe. They take no responsibility, so they can have no views
@The_Flaneur16@Geoelte_Spinne@guyverhofstadt Probably not compelling enough, they know if they refuse we'll probably put him in the stocks and throw American chicken at him, far more entertaining
@DAVMAGPOL@bbc5live@AnnaMcMorrin It'd only give us an indication of those constituencies though. Granted that's more information than we currently have, but it'd be foolish to abstract it out to an entire country either way. I think both sides are likely to be in for a hell of a kicking when a GE comes though
@DAVMAGPOL@bbc5live@AnnaMcMorrin It's probably lucky for us though. A GE isn't going to solve anything at this stage, other than giving us a reason to request an extension of Art 50.
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian I hope so, and one positive I can see in all this is that it's driven a wedge into the cracks in both major parties and is pulling them apart. Of course, they're doing it at the worst time possible, but at least it's happening. FPTP definitely has to go
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Calling it off might avert that, but it isn't going to help either. The politicians & media have taken a complicated mess, scooped it up and put it into a pressure cooker. 1 thing's for sure, I wouldn't want to be certain politicians when it spills over, their fault or not /end
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian The media have obviously played their own role in this, but as you say various issues continue to be ignored and it's driving up tensions. It's not going to end well. My concern is the impacts of a bad no-deal exit is only going to hasten that 2/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Agreed. In fact, what they seem to have done is massively increased the pool of disillusioned voters. Remainer's voices have been ignored/shouted down (you lost, get over it etc) - and Piers is no saint here - but a lot of Brexiters are being ignored too. 1/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian But even if we *had* done that, we still would've had the issue of not knowing what we actually want. We'd have got a stronger offer than May's deal though.
Surprised myself recently, when I realised that UKIP would probably have handled this process better than May has
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian I agree, even if "what we wanted" had been well-defined, they were never going to just give it. If we'd been planning from day 1, we could've used it as leverage "look how prepared we are". Instead we got Grayling....
1/
@buddah_uk@mrjamesob Even better, it's not the first
> It's understood to be the second time explosive disposal teams have been called to the site in as many weeks.
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian What Hannan misses in that article is that the referendum worsened the situation, but the underlying rot has been there long before. There are issues with the EU, but what we're seeing is a proliferation of problems with the UK political system.
Sorry for length /END
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian There are real problems with the EU, and legitimate reasons for wanting to leave (just as there are for remain). But the enduring problem has been that politics has broken down in the UK. There's no discussion or debate, it's just partisanship. 7/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian They're like children, so determined for their project to work that they're terrified of any criticism. So rather than using that to try and improve their approach they attempt to shout everyone else down, and then blame everyone else when their efforts are failing 6/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian At least not one where the technology exists and works *at scale*.
Basically, what I'm getting at is this - the EU have by no means been saints in this. Far from it. But the hyperbole and thick headedness of various brexiters has stifled debate of the important topics 5/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Many of the brexiter MPs talk about replacing the backstop with "alternative arrangements" which just shows their ineptitude. The backstop, as a device, exists for when the alternative arrangements fail. Never mind that there hasn't been a credible one suggested 4/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian It was flagged, repeatedly, before the referendum that Northern Ireland was going to be an issue. Various high profile brexiters dismissed that that was a possibility. the EU was never just going to roll over anyway, but certainly couldn't on this one. 3/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Although he tries to put a weird spin on it, it's a given that the EU were always going to be tough. If we'd planned, we would be too, instead we went in with inexperienced negotiators and no idea what the hell we wanted. Never forget that *we* suggested the backstop not them 2/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Interesting article, but Hannan's wrong. A major cause of this was May's rush to invoke Article 50 without have first worked out what we actually wanted. It was always going to be a spectrum, and her job was to find a commonality. Instead she drew some red lines and charged 1/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Strange isn't it? When there's a compromise, both sides are always going to be a little less than happy. But, somehow, she's managed to come up with a deal that takes the worst bits/effects of either side and combines them into something so benefitless that both sides loath it
@IanDunt@CSBarnard24 Only if she's actually given a chance to challenge whatever rubbish Hartley-Brewer's going to make up on the spot, rather than having Fiona Bruce jump in a defend, only for the BBC to admit it was wrong later.
Still, might actually watch this one
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Well, maybe not laugh, but....
The whole thing has been farcical, and it's clear an investigation is needed into how we got here. There are massive concerns about the ref itself, but also on the process so far. Westminister has never been more in need of reform /End
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian She's just authoritarian and thought she could push her red lines & her deal. Fuck, she's still doing it. Even if you don't think there should be a 2nd ref you've got to laugh at her calling it a betrayal of democracy whilst planning to put her deal before the house a 3rd time 3/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian I don't actually think it was planned this way though. it's fairly clear that May just doesn't have the competence to pull that kind of conspiracy off - look at the cracks emerging in her time as Home Secretary for continued examples. 2/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Threads broken, so I'll reply here.
I don't think we should have declared WTO 2.5 years ago, but we damn well should have been planning for it. Leaving the planning so late was a momentous fuck up that bends us over a barrel and massively weakens us. 1/
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian There's blame all round though, Johnson & Davis have been selling impossible dreams, ERG have contributed. And May? Don't even get me started on May - incompetent doesn't cover it. She's incapable of taking any information on board and acting on it
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian He's very much part of the system that he's telling people to rail against. Were really not taking back any control if we allow a precedent to be set that the means matter less than the ends. Where do we draw the line?
Support Brexit all you want, but his actions are condemnable
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Think of it this way, our *elected* representatives vote to extend Art 50, and then it gets blocked by an unelected twat calling some of his contact overseas and asking them to refuse the extension?
What part of that can you support in principle?
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian The difference is none of those stood on a platform and told people that we should end "foreign interference". Nor have any of those predicted that a vote wasn't going to go their way, and started contacting foreign govts to try and get them to block the outcome
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian But, for what it's worth, the process of this Brexit shames us all. Whether you're for or against, there's no denying that this government has been nothing but a circus on the world stage, with repeated u-turns, unicorn wishes, invisible ferries and general crapness
@ppp_emp@piersmorgan@eliesian Hmm, strong words given that Farage has been openly lobbying foreign governments to interfere in domestic affairs. How do you rationalise that with the idea that Parliament should be sovereign? I'd called that pretty traitorous.
@hughes1_graham@Envizage@peterjukes Well, given that @Farage is openly lobbying foreign governments to frustrate the will of Parliament (if an extension is voted for tonight), I'd say that's pretty treacherous too. Especially after all the bollocks about how Brexit stops foreign intervention etc.
@Envizage@peterjukes Funnily enough though, it seems like some of the more vocal of Farage's supporters also support re-instating capital punishment. I wonder how they'd feel in this case?
@ProfBrianCox It's not just the referendum though is it? it's everything that's followed too. An incredibly close result, yet politicians & media have acted like Remainers should just be ignored and we should pursue the most Brexity Brexit possible - all without a common definition of Brexit
@CdeRoiste@edmorrish@twlldun It is, but noone will ever see that number shift if you just don't bother. I'm in a safe seat too, my vote's likely to make as much difference as yours sadly
@mwfamhist@JohnJCrace Or that we'll nominally leave, but retain the benefits because the EU will disband and all 27 will join the United Kingdom instead?
@CdeRoiste@edmorrish@twlldun But by not voting in a safe seat you guarantee the status quo will remain. If others also refuse to vote because "safe seat" you'll never see the numbers opposing increase, perpetuating the "safe seat" apathy when it might even be 70% of eligible voters are apathetic but oppose
@CathWyatt29@JolyonMaugham@michaelgove is a slime-faced lying toad.
There's no way, even with this inept government, he can have reached the level he has and *not* know that that's false
Saw this being discussed on the DarkMatter thread the other week and wondered if it'd spill over to others.... Ouch
A world of hurt after GoDaddy, Apple, and Google misissue >1 million certificates https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1472479
I thought the right wing complained about others being thin-skinned?
“Yelp, but for MAGA” turns red over security disclosure, threatens researcher https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1472581
@BorisJohnson shows with his #spaffed comments that he supports letting child abusers off the hook by not investigating claims made by their victims. Does this mean Boris is a pedo supporter?
He's now trying to claim he and the ERG are not extremists, but are just "Loyal" @Conservatives...
Fascinating to watch him and other Tory's defend their position by trying to undermine a Tory government though
@OwenPaterson Reminding people that it's possible to vote shit parties out. I'd like to point to the current Tory Government as evidence that's not always the case
Oh good, @NickyMorgan01 is talking. That'll really help my mood....
She seemed almost sane once upon a time, but has done away with that illusion entirely since then.
Is it me @IanDunt or does @IanBlackfordMP sound like he could burst into tears any second? He sounds massively dejected at what's happening.
And, of course, as I type that, he gets angry....
@IanDunt Fucking Tories talking about delivering certainty now after they've spent 2 years pissing about and willy-waving rather than giving some certainty.
Not that Corbyn would've done any better
@andyprice@BlueBobX@IanDunt Robbing bastards.
Those publishers also love to issue new revisions every year so that students can't so easily just buy 2nd hand - the information might be there, but won't be in the same place, or presented in quite the same way
@gazzaeuro@MishaMayfair@private_shopsuk Invest a little money in a VPN. Not only will it bypass this, but it'll also give you some protection from some of the other snooping our Government likes to do - like the record of your browsing ISP's keep under the IPA
@andyprice@IanDunt If we're acknowledging price, it's unfair not to also point to the sometimes gougy pricing of ebooks.
Doesn't excuse not paying for it, but if the paperback is £5, the ebook £10, you can see why people sometimes lean towards the free dodgy download
@TheLastLeg#IsItOk that Esther McVeigh (A privy council member) will probably get away with her approach to being caught lying is not to apologise, but to say "even if you disagree with that, you must agree that..."
This is @EstherMcVey1's approach when called out for lying - no apologies, just trying to twist it.
Not the first time she's been caught lying either. You'd really think elected officials would hold themselves to higher standards. You can see the rot all around #Brexit though https://twitter.com/EstherMcVey1/status/1104857435670528000
@ElliotKane@chalscribe@LordAshcroft On the other hand, if she gets the wrong kind of brexit through her party is also finished. Wrong will of course be defined with the benefit of hindsight, knowing what the consequences were and quietly ignoring other's role in it.
@MagriTiger@JackDunc1@sajidjavid Bring her back, arrest and start deprogramming her, then see if her statement remains the same.
I'm done with this conversation. If you really think it's more likely that a 15 year old orchestrated this without outside help then there's really not much more to say
@MagriTiger@JackDunc1@sajidjavid You think a 15 year old girl, without help
- Decided to go to Syria and join ISIS
- Figured out where in Syria to go
- Arranged her trip there and set off
Really?? Use your head. We *know* there are recruiters operating in the UK, be odd if she hadn't met at least one of them
Fuck me @SteveBakerHW have you not been reading the news?
> It’s a laughable coalition of chaos.
He's *not* talking about the current Gov btw. Oh and boogey-man Jezza will apparently be in control if that happens.
Not that I expect much from @TheSun, but what a waste of bytes
Disingenous bullshit by @SteveBakerHW
> if they take over, you won’t be able to vote them out
They could be voted out just as easily as any minister in this shambles of a government. One, I might add, that's been propped up by a party that the majority didn't vote for https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1104662403235700736
@jl_hfl Yeah, I think you're right and there's definitely an element of that.
Basically, they're all nuts, which leaves us all in a pretty unpleasant position
@50046Gary@BusStop22@_emmactidxo So, lucky, lucky us. We've all get to pay out some additional cash because some ministers are too lazy to address issues properly, and others are willing to excuse it which just allows ministers to do it again and again.
@50046Gary@BusStop22@_emmactidxo If you've so little faith in our legal system: Begum's family were already suing the government, the death is hardly going to go unmentioned. Under your approach of ignoring issues w/ justice system, a court may find culpability by the Gov and then the taxpayer gets to pay compo
@50046Gary@BusStop22@_emmactidxo So, perhaps we need to fix our legal system. If you work around by ignoring the legal system then we're all gonna get fucked by that decision in future.
Ignoring issues tends to lead to them being much bigger issues later on.
@MagriTiger@JackDunc1@sajidjavid No, that's you trying to twist words to you own end. If she was groomed it was by an ISIS recruiter who will have twisted anything and everything available to do so.
But, I suspect you already know that ;)
@Gunga_Morgan@piersmorgan@EtonOldBoys The problem there is the age of the child, by the time you realise it's ill (remember it wasn't when this all started) it's already too risky to transport across the world without the mother. But, I agree with your sentiment there
@BusStop22@_emmactidxo I literally said we should try her and then lock her up, you're the one that wants to leave her out in the world. Sounds like you're the terrorist supporter.
Looking at your profile though, I see you support ManCity. I guess the constant disapointment has crushed your human side
@BusStop22@_emmactidxo Oh dear, run out of arguments so you've fallen back on "snowflake"? Coming from someone so scared of a 19 year old girl, they're willing to excuse the upending of citizenship rights? You sound positively fucking fragile mate. And 99%? Pull the other one
@HerbivoreTJM@NathanWaddingt3@0Calamity@SkyNews@Conservatives > I also don't care what the 'recruiters' think and neither should you.
You misunderstand. It's not what they think, it's that they will use her to help turn disillusioned youth over, just like what likely happened to her.
All the same, have a good'un
@BusStop22@_emmactidxo See, there's your problem. You think it's OK for someone's right to due process to end. That's not OK, it's precisely how dictatorships and authoritarian regimes come about. It's not about protecting her, it's about protecting the rights of every fucking citizen
@HerbivoreTJM@NathanWaddingt3@0Calamity@SkyNews@Conservatives Yeah, so if she really is a threat, what we've done is left her out in the world to attack us. We've also given groomer's and recruiters a very public martyr to show what the British think of muslims.
Well fucking done mate, you've made the situation worse.
@BusStop22@_emmactidxo I mean, fuck, if there's a legal basis to do so, we could even then strip her of citizenship and deport her. But due process has to be followed.
@BusStop22@_emmactidxo No, we should bring her back, arrest her, try and then jail her. It's called due process, and history has shown that once you start letting it slip things can turn very very nasty very quickly. These things never start with the nice neighbour being arrested
@SChristopher27@kindamuslim@dromar_c@HackneyAbbott We _literally_ treat a 15 year old murder convict different to an 18 year old one. If you fail school you can resit later.
Your examples are bollocks mate. Should she bet let off? Fuck no. She should be tried in a UK court like a 15yr old murderer would be.
@HerbivoreTJM@NathanWaddingt3@0Calamity@SkyNews@Conservatives Instead, the home secretary did something that you generally only see in Banana republics. And that is not a good thing for our country. If our society has devolved to the point where it's willing to accept that, then the terrorists changed us and have won already
@HerbivoreTJM@NathanWaddingt3@0Calamity@SkyNews@Conservatives No, I agree, her motives for coming back were different. But it's not about her, it's about our society. Bring her back, arrest her straight of the plane, put the kid in care, and start legal proceedings, with her ultimately tried in front of a jury of peers.
i.e. due process.
@Gunga_Morgan@piersmorgan@EtonOldBoys It's also strange how @piersmorgan and co are so focused on her. it's her fault etc. It's about the kid, not her. They were both arguably wronged, but the kid was literally an innocent. Not that Piers would care, given his stance on a fathers role in kids lives
@Gunga_Morgan@piersmorgan@EtonOldBoys Holland's getting less heat because it didn't, you know, strip someone of citizenship without following due process. She's a terrible person, but if you support stripping someone born here of citizenship on the decision of a single politician, where exactly do you draw the line?
@JackDunc1@sajidjavid And, over time, we'd probably have learned more from her about the tactics her groomer used on her so that we could help prevent others being groomed. And if she is a threat, she's out free at the moment
So, we're literally less safe because of his decision
@_emmactidxo You don't need to, or have to, feel sorry for her, but you *should* be very concerned that the Home office stripped someone of citizenship without following anything close to due process. That's a dangerous precedent to set, and those precedents are always set on the worst first
@HerbivoreTJM@NathanWaddingt3@0Calamity@SkyNews Is that how we deal with terrorist threats nowadays? Give them freedom so they can strike? Or do we pull them into the system, follow due process and lock the fuckers up?
Your stance sounds like you're weak on terrorism to me, and so are the @Conservatives who support you
@sajidjavid made a very questionable decision based on nothing more than a populist knee-jerk, and this is the outcome. No due process was followed, and if she is a threat, that threat has been amplified. Shoulda brought her home and tried her properly.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47506145
@SteveBarclay Just a reminder, the backstop is what *we* asked for, not the EU. It's us trying to re-run old arguments not them, and all because of your incompetent shower in government
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47506139
@RealSexyCyborg Based on the comments, am I really the only person who scanned the QR code to see what it does?
Answer, you clearly need their app installed to use it
@Spicy_Brit@cricklebird@patricia723717@mrjamesob No, because
- Long string of numbers at end of name
- No profile photo
- Early tweets look very much like account being maintained rather than used
- Now Primarily tweets on one subject - Brexit
@trscavo@TheRegister@SoloKeysSec My concerns aside, that's a nicely written addition to the page :)
Solokeys look good - and I could certainly have fun playing around with the firmware - reckon I'll be ordering one soon
@TwitVOR@DarrenMaffucci@StuFletch1987@mrjamesob I think its fair to say his racism has already been exposed, in depth. Its not stopped him, nor bothered his followers and defenders.
Noone owes him their engagement even if he is on their doorstep.
@trscavo@TheRegister You're right on the smartphone front - though I'm probably more anal than most on what my phone can access. There have been more than a few auth ballsups on phones too, if google and apple can screw it up, what hope have hardware manufacturers got?
@trscavo@TheRegister I'm not saying, btw, that fido2 shouldnt be a thing, or that we shouldn't use it. Just that it seems incredibly premature to offer it instead of passwords
@trscavo@TheRegister they are well studied. This has a potentially greater attack surface and puts much greater onus on physical security of that hardware. We've already seen manufacturers do truly stupid shit with ssd encryption, why would these devices be any different?
@trscavo@TheRegister No it doesn't. It attempts to in that you _should_ have a means for the fido2 device to auth the user (e.g a pin, thumbprint, whatever). But, when my dongle gets nicked, I'm then reliant on how good the dev manufacturer actually was. Passwords have their drawbacks but 1/2
@DarrenMaffucci@TwitVOR@StuFletch1987@mrjamesob If you open the door to him, then he'll portray it as you legitimising him and his views. Better to leave the racist little thug on the doorstep and call the police. Especially given one of the guys he turns up with apparently did time for kidnapping.
@trscavo@TheRegister Nothing in particular about the article, I agree it covers it fantastically. Its the concept of "passwordless" login where my second factor becomes the only factor. Its better than a password, but worse than password + FIDO2.
May really is crap. She was crap as Home Secretary and she's crap as Prime Minister. Weak on crime, racist, anti-economy and hostile to business - only one of those is expected in a Tory
Theresa May 'not listening' says ex-police chief https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47472928
@JolyonMaugham > Grayling was hoping to scalp a "lead campaigner" from the leave side in order to taint the cause by association
Says the guy who flippantly called someone a paedo just because they were a remainer.
Fuck... may still be devices out there.... that's going to be a film at some point, surely?
BBC News - Dead landscape gardener linked to booby traps in Germany https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47468161
@mrjamesob > advocated setting fire to black people.
@theresecoffey these are (well, were) members of your party. When are you going to stop toeing the party line, and stand up for what's right rather than what your party leadership wants?
Not that it really matters. If we no-deal Brexit, the americans are going to use our resulting desperation to bend us over and have their way. Woody Johnson might as well just be upfront and say "You're gonna take it, and you're gonna be happy to have it"
Ambassador (@usambuk) of an increasingly protectionist country claims EU food standards are designed to reduce trade? Pot meet kettle....
BBC News - US ambassador defends farming record on chicken and beef https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47466812
He's going to hear "Stop fucking cutting officers" quite a lot I think....
BBC News - Knife crime: Javid in strategy talks with police chiefs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47465480
@TheGlarth@Kruithne@MalwareTechBlog I use an arc welder. Its fun and *very* thorough. Lump hammer gets a bit more stress out and is fine on laptop drives as the platters tend to be glass
@EFF For all the flexibility/functionality chromecast offers, I won't have them on my network because of things like this. Luckily you can recreate most of the functionality with a @Raspberry_Pi and @KodiTV
@NoseyHedgehog@PeoplesMomentum For what it's worth, someone I know went from full-on Corbyn supporter last GE to "he's a pitiful excuse for leader of the opposition" last week.
Given he's been facilitating a Tory brexit until recently, I'm actually quite happy to call him a cunt too.
@DrifterPlanes Yes, that's a big part of the problem. The BBC in particular is bad for that as in their pursuit of perceived "balance" they tend to treat swivel-eyed nutters with the same level of deference those backed by concrete facts.
@BBCPolitics@annietrev@labourlewis So @annietrev believes we should permit lawlessness, or the threat of such, to override democracy?
If they riot, they get arrested. Or, would, if her party hadn't cut the police so badly.
@susan04071@tompeck I suppose, to be fair @theresa_may is making slightly better use of pork than @David_Cameron did.
Seriously though, it's such a half-arsed measure given how much the EU was paying into those areas.
@Tucker5law > insisted he was supporting a start-up British business, even after it came out that the company had copied its terms of service from a takeout food website
Really does read like it should be fiction, and yet, it's not...
@andrew_lilico > What is it that people think is the objection to the backstop if not that it deems the UK not sovereign over NI's key economic laws?
Well, it could be the vast amount of money various ERGers seem to have bet on a no-deal exit that makes people suspicious. Just for a start
@Browncoat1701@StartRunning2@Hobbit_Zombie@davidfrum@Popehat@realDonaldTrump How about we compromise, and sieze just a relative few small sections of the property back. Dotted around the golf course. And then build some wind turbines on our new land?
For bonus points, the land selection should mean we take out ~50% of the holes on the course
@realdonaldtrump launches furious attack on Robert Mueller, "Never received a vote" etc.
All whilst ignoring his own nepotism. His son-in-law seemingly failed to get a security clearance until it was ordered by the gigantic orange hypocrite.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47430996
@GetRektByMeh@dianshuo@mirahimage@Lacci@jeremyburge The point is, if they hope to, or consider that they one day might, then they need to factor it in. But, again, this thread is about Facebook who absolutely do need to be compliant.
@GetRektByMeh@dianshuo@mirahimage@Lacci@jeremyburge And there's a world of difference between "doesn't apply" and "hard to enforce". Particularly for any business that hopes to grow and go international at some point.
@blackroomsec Man he seems to have a high sense of self worth, particularly on that bae thread. That kind tends to spend time tearing others down to distract from the fear they'll be seen for what they are
@PwnProblems@cybergibbons > HMRC will eventually catch up with bug bounties
Yup, declare *everything*. I've even previously declared payments that were made in BTC. The short term gain of not paying that tax isn't worth the pain of an audit, backcharged interest and a fine in the medium term
@GabrielPastern5@RealSexyCyborg@Jkylebass Dude she's literally just pointed out that if you're going to talk about CCP crimes you need to talk about the credible stuff not the fabricated shit.
It's like reporting on @realDonaldTrump having a fetish for badgers, then wondering why noone believes the more credible stuff
@swattswrites@maymaysiempre@paulbullen Yes, because people are totally trying to destigmatise "Vagina" by using "Vulva" instead.
You're welcome to call me a cripple rather than a disabled person, but that doesn't stop a vulva from being a vulva. That's it's fucking name, even if you do write a 20 page turdsplurt
@ClearScore have emailed to say they now won't be acquired by @Experian.
Absolutely fucking fantastic news for every one of clearscore's users in my book.
@snowglen@acemsdavis1@DuncanJepson@classiclib3ral To be fair though, do you share the same last name as your kids?
Sounds like @acemsdavis1 didn't take her husband's name, so has a different surname. Though, I think any doctor/dentist who's challenging is going too far.
@ECFCJJ@Jacob_Rees_Mogg@Nigel_Farage@Conservatives Yes, please do. The @Conservatives are a bunch of cunts. And yet, @Jacob_Rees_Mogg through his association with that slug Steve Bannon still manages to debase them.
But he won't leave the party, because he's not nearly as willing to stand on principle as he'd like you to believe
@amasad@CTZN5 No, stick to the hashtables. If hashing is mostly used to remove anti-terrorist content, and the military often fights terrorists, therefore your software must be military grade and you can charge more
@CarolineFlintMP@jeremycorbyn Just a reminder that you *lost* the election. Your manifesto is a *failed* manifesto so you're far from bound by it.
Besides which, neither of the main parties offered a choice on that front, so votes were likely cast based on other promises
@Gerontosaur@mrjamesob The argument that baffles me most is how our political system is broken (it is) and abused (it is), and we need to leave the EU so we can hold Westminister to account.
So the solution to Westminister's issues is to give it _more_ power?
@snowglen@acemsdavis1@DuncanJepson@classiclib3ral To be fair, is there much that any of us do on Twitter (in particular) that really counts as a sensible use of time and energy? The thing with TR (and others), is he partly relies on people discussing his... issues... as that helps give them a veneer of credibility
@snowglen@DuncanJepson@classiclib3ral He did an interview early, early in his career where he talked about it quite frankly. He did it to fit in with his target audience
@snowglen@DuncanJepson@classiclib3ral It was him that felt the name was too posh and that the common man coildn't identify with him unless he changed his name.
@farnsworth_adam@GoodwinMJ@OwenJones84 where the fuck did you pull March 31st from? If theres no A50 extension itll be the 29th. Unless you're saying we should extend by 2 days?
@mart676@GoodwinMJ@OwenJones84 Neither party won a full majority though, so its hard to argue a mandate for those pledges. Particularly as both main parties pledged leave. Those pledges arent binding tho so no 2nd GE required
@yashar > But people don't understand that I can't do a back and forth
FWIW, this parts not specific to ADHD. I know plenty of people (inc me) who are exactly the same. It'll take "just" a minute for you to talk to me, it'll take me far longer to get back. PPL don't understand it though
@IanDunt So, in Mays minds, what do you think happens if MPs vote against No Deal, but also vote against extending Article 50?
Is that revoke Article 50? Political Stalemate? Referendum? Or just another vote? She did say she wouldn't revoke, but isn't that the only choice?
@TimMedin It'll be exactly that. They have to send a first response within x minutes, which they've done.
If its a US provider, you might also find that the roles are strictly segmented and support cannot touch the firewalls. So they send a holding message while waiting for the other team
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy@JuliaHB1 it was UK Gov... err... support that changed their minds on that one. So they're here because the tax payer is contributing, which seems like an incredibly short-term solution. Japan also started negotiating with the EU for preferential import just after the Brexit vote
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy@JuliaHB1 You brought up Honda to begin with, and have referred only to them, but now Nissan🤦♂️They were going to make the diesel X-Trail here, yes & then changed their mind. But, they also said back in 2016 that no-deal brexit meant closing their sund plant 1/2
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy Ah, have you made the mistake of listening to @JuliaHB1?
Swindon, you know, the plant they closed - 94% petrol engines mate. That's from Honda's own figures.
Whatever it is, it's unlikely to be diesel that caused it
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy > Aren't the Japanese just likely to tell it how it is
Well, that fairly definitively answers my question on whether you've ever done business with the Japanese. No, no they're very definitely fucking not.
Honda have, however been repeatedly warning about Brexit and it's effect
@The_Whetherman@SkyNewsPolitics@SkyNews@Nigel_Farage We could use @sajidjavid's approach, claim we believe he's eligible for German citizenship so won't be stateless and then revoke his british citizenship.
Only drawback is, we'd then need to brexit and end FoM to keep the fucker out.
@Peston@theresa_may She can't even grasp a snooker cue properly, there's no way in hell she's grasping a deal that's actually good and gets Parliament's support. The only way we get out on 29 Mar is no-deal, and we're far from adequately prepared for that
Worth noting that @RealSexyCyborg pointed out days ago that a Chinese hooker is not necessarily there against her will. Resulting in lots of "you don't understand" replies.
Some of the most dangerous people are those who are only trying to help, but doing so with closed minds https://twitter.com/ENBrown/status/1100178534373441538
@VolcanicFlash@DrKRodgers@CTurnerlive@EmilyThornberry Well, if only 17,000 people get upset about Remain being on the ballot, that suggests there probably would be a landslide as just over 16 million people will have changed their mind (or stopped caring)
And @CTurnerlive either way the situation's going to get worse than it is now
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy If your position is that they're just using Brexit as an excuse, then guess what - YOU and other leave voters gave them that perfect excuse. So it's still Brexit's fault.
@Nick4125@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy Have you ever done business with the Japanese? They don't generally point fingers - at all. For them to go "yeah it's Brexit" would be extremely uncharacteristic. Honda also aren't the only car company making changes - curious timing don't you think? 1/2
Personally, I'd support excluding your kid from every public amenity until they've been vaccinated. It's notable that the US measles outbreak only really affected private schools - because the public schools require vaccination.
There *isn't* credible research on the side of not vaccinating.
If you decide not to vaccinate then you are putting your child at risk, as well as everyone who may not be able to be vaccinated, and relies on her immunity.
Our generation didn't really have polio survivors and the like, nor did our parents generation particularly. Unfortunately, it looks like our kids generation (and possibly the one after that) *is* going to remember the outbreak of serious preventable shit - all because of idiots
> 3 bills that will make it easier for parents to opt out of getting life-saving vaccinations for their children and may even encourage them to do so
Absolute Fucking morons
Citing parental freedom, Arizona lawmakers move ahead with anti-vaccine bills https://arstechnica.com/?post_type=post&p=1464291
I actually recently blocked @YouTube on the basis it's become a complete cesspit. Youtube Kids encourages complacency, when the company can't keep their shit in order.
The most important step though, was the conversation about why I'd blocked Youtube
@uk_domain_names@Lifemodelnick@PostTruthPaul The problem with that is precisely that it allows things to come to a standstill. If you look at what ERG need to do to get their hard brexit, it's to force inaction/deadlock. If Parliament went home and did nothing, we'd have a hard brexit.
Not that I have a better suggestion
@WilOfTheKremlin@AgiBergman It won't wake anyone, it'll just trigger the next step of the blame game. Remainers fault because it's not the brexit "I" voted for. Or EU's fault for not giving us a good deal.
The shock might wake a few up, but I've not faith that it'd wake enough up
@JHarris_UK@josephfcox@hackerfantastic He's right about the importance of following due process though, and allowing the use of crypto to justify deprivation of property isn't something that should be supported.
It's fine to feel a bit of schadenfreude, but the decision is still something that should be opposed
@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy Just look at the car closures, all "not brexit" but the result of something else that the EU seems magically insulated from.
I suspect, in 10 years time, no-one will admit to voting Leave. In the short term though, they're going to be poorer, angry and blaming everyone else 2/2
@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy Oh undoubtedly. The groundwork is already being laid for that - "Loser's Vote", anti-democratic etc. And certain papers are only going to push harder in the run-up if one were to happen.
Even in the worst-case brexit though, it'll be viewed as someone else's fault. 1/2
@MikeRockfield@timnokes@EmmaKennedy But, at least then there would be a definitive mandate to leave, if that's what it came to. I wouldn't be happy, but I could live with that.
Dragging the country out on it's arse, based on a decision made years ago with much of the important information unavailable, not so much
@davesh153@davidschneider Yet, when the inevitable inquiry into Brexit happens, @BorisJohnson will likely find he wasn't even capable of being at the centre of the Brexit scandal, but will be viewed by history as a witting but hapless pawn. And "Far right" will probably feature as a descriptor too
@yschimke@alexstamos The same is also true of the provisions in #Article13 of the Copyright Directive. Whilst the copyright industry claim it's a Google conspiracy that's opposing it, the reality is Youtube is well placed to comply, but the risk and requirements will help lock new competitors out.
@SeanWrightSec Whats particularly illustrative is just how early in the process Ryan was pointing out how their evasiveness over such a small step raised questions about their trustworthiness in general. Then this...
@DavidWohl@realDonaldTrump So hes prosecuting people for crimes they've committed? and that's bad? I thought you righties were supposed to be tough on crime?
@HuguenotHouse@uk_domain_names@adampayne26@lewis_goodall To be fair, they *might*. But only because he's not got May's red lines, and wants us in a CU etc.
So it probably wouldn't be as harmful a deal as Mays. Whether it'd be better depends on how you'd define it I guess.
But, as others have said, it's moot. He's not getting in
@AlexanderJon3s@JHorb1@AdrianYalland@Anna_Soubry@BroxtoweCons@MoreUnitedUK You could argue, in the case of the ref, that some of those have been met anyway. Majority of promises/claims have been shown to be unworkable, so are effectively abandoned. Deal has been put forward, so that's been fulfilled. What we *haven't* done yet, is taken the economic hit
@DanielJHannan It says that when you sell unicorns and pies, it's very difficult to deliver the complete product.
You sold a lot of those, it would seem
@neil_neilzone Yeah, it's a very, very nice idea. I'm actually sorely tempted to give it a try the next time I've got something suitable to deploy. Reasonable driving range from me too.
@giles_fraser What an absolute bucketload of bollocks.
That aside, do you really think that people are going to spend more time with and around family after cowboys like you have fucked the economy? They won't be able to afford to do so. Fuck, there are *already* plenty of people who cannot
@SebMadraszek@connolly_lg@SpillerOfTea@Channel4 As some subreddits found, it's worse than that. They pop up and say one thing, then you spend a lot of time debunking their claim. A casual observer comes along, and takes away that it's debatable whether 'x' happened. Then someone pops up again with the same claim anyway
@DanielNStanton@GreigProperty@GuidoFawkes@TheIndGroup Lets start with Fox's claim that we'll have 40 deals rolled by 29 Mar, including japan. Clearly not happening. Or just look at how all the frontline Brexiters seem to have slunk away and read between the lines. Frankly, leave breaking the law should be enough for a rerun
@DanielNStanton@GreigProperty@GuidoFawkes@TheIndGroup So it hasn't been found that one side acted illegally during the run up, and that the other was questionable. Nor that none of the promises/suggestions made during campaigning were actually achievable by the government (or in some cases by anyone).
No, nothings changed at all...
@GreigProperty@GuidoFawkes@TheIndGroup So you're saying that because a material fact has changed/become clear, there should be a re-run of that election to ensure the original decision still stands?
Sounds like a good argument for a #PeoplesVote to me
@jarede@AlecMuffett I'd actually quite like to watch videos of various Brexiters getting their first taste of Maotai. I love it, but I understand I'm amongst the minority.
@AlecMuffett Luckily, I've got a *good* vineyard just up the road from me, so I'm not too worried on that front.
On the other hand, Cheese & Biscuits with Port will likely have to become a very very very rare treat.
Because the high profile court case that results definitely will not be used as recruitment material to show disillusioned marks just how "bad" the UK is, and how much it doesn't care about it's citizens. Oh no..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47301623
@ewanmcmillan0@unojen_wood@Peston@jeremycorbyn Sounds good in principle, but it only takes for it to be implemented by someone like Hunt or Grayling and it quickly goes wrong. It would help in the longer run though I think
@ewanmcmillan0@unojen_wood@Peston@jeremycorbyn Yup. Sadly, I live in a Tory safe seat (with an MP who has never rebelled), populated by a lot of people who voted Tory their whole life & now probably wouldn't change even if May started putting babies on spikes. Still, I vote every time in the hope that we'll 1 day see change.
That's because @younglabouruk appears to be populated with overly partisan cunts.
I mean, they actually used the word "traitors" earlier this week, which didn't at all make them sound like the extremists that they should be opposed to. If they're the future then we're fucked https://twitter.com/mrwtch/status/1098001757555355648
@ewanmcmillan0@unojen_wood@Peston@jeremycorbyn People voting "for" specific parties rather than their local MPs merits is a big part of the problem with our current political setup. It leads to people saying I always vote Tory" even when their policies are insane.
A better fix would be to shoot party politics in the head IMO
Fucking Europeans, trying to bring logic and sensible debate into the melee that our UK politicians are trying to milk for everything it's worth. If @theresa_may didn't like being called nebulous, she's not going to like the names used after she's done fucking the country https://twitter.com/AlecMuffett/status/1098131288547049478
@kln_nurv > for their suggestions to be taken seriously
This bit in particular. If the company has you onboard for advice and never follows it, even for small things, it's 10:1 that after a serious incident they're going to try and hang you out to dry.
@bertil_hatt@AlecMuffett > The only people who are wrong in adversarial context are those saying: it’s simple.
Exactly. I should have put more emphasis on the word *just* in my original tweet. But this is, more or less, exactly what the #Article13 crowd are saying.
@sturdyAlex@LiamFox > "That big drop in demand by consumers is bound to have a knock on effect with producers," he said
That's commenting.
@LiamFox is so full of shit, it might be the only thing the UK has to sell post-Brexit.
@sturdyAlex What I particularly like (for want of a better word) is that @LiamFox has even managed to lie about whether he's going to comment
> Liam Fox, also declined to comment directly until an official announcement. But he pointed out that car demand had fallen since new diesel emission
Now I'm not sure who invented the various g24 light fittings, but I feel fairly certain I'd be quite content to spend a week kicking the life out of them. Which is nothing compared to the spite I currently feel towards any house builder who installs the things.
@IanDunt The other day I suggested similar, although mine was "Fuck Em All".
My campaigning material come the next GE would simply be a picture of their current MP with "Look at this cunt? Really?" printed over the top, and a link to theyworkforyou
I said at the time, the *only* reason the gov allowed prescription in special cases was so kids in need could no longer be shown as sympathetic cases. Thats why the process is near impossible to follow and prescriptions require approval https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-47241787
@Adrian_Hilton@Anna_Soubry@Richard4Watford Well, hopefully they'll think hard and long about what the ERG actually are, what they're doing and whether it's actually right.
A bit of thorough thought and introspection really wouldn't go amiss on either side, frankly.
Even better, an email just tipped up so it silently worked in the background.
All that, and the interface still won't tell me a rough window, just "By End of Day". Shite
How is @UPS still so shit?
* Missed delivery cos no prior warning, and requires signature
* "My Choice" Signup attempts to block pasting from pwd managers
* then fails on a white screen
All I wanna know is what time its being redelivered so I can go get some food
@EkatariZeen@FeMaven@chadloder Of course, there's arguably another cause under both of those which is that society seems to think it's ok to not give a fuck about the life, needs or agency of others. "Got mine" and all that.
But that's going further than most would bother 2/2
@EkatariZeen@FeMaven@chadloder I don't think you get how root causes work.
Just because that security weakness can be exploited by miscreants of different colours, doesn't make it the root cause.
The root cause in this case was a rapist fuck. In yours the root cause would have been a murdering fuck. 1/2
Once again, hiding behind the word "Terrorist" we have a law that allows the government to lock you up based on relatively little
- Single click onto a page
- Being in wrong place
- Saying something which might influence others
Well done Britain, we've fucked ourselves again https://twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1095418257488732160
@adaliabooks@uk_domain_names They don't need to actually shoot anyone though, they just need sufficient people to *believe* that they will in order to deter people from starting an uprising. The strongest weapon in any dictator's domestic arsenal is always fear, and in the short-term it's easy to wield.
@tusk_fbpe@heidiallen75@thetimes So many of them are already in the process of trying to lay blame at another's door though. Just look at Raab today in Parliament trying to claim a No-Deal would be the EU's fault.
May will try and blame both Parliament and Labour.
It's the true betrayal of an entire nation.
@DominicRaab proving in parliament that he really is a mealy mouthed disingenous fuck.
They've offered a deal, and the option not to leave. If we chose to go on WTO terms, thats on Parliament.
On the bright side, it should mean the Tory's remain unelectable for a long time
> said.... Eurotunnel "could never have provided that capacity" and "could not have complied" with the terms of the contracts.
But a company with no ferries, and no history of operating ships could?
BBC News - Government sued over no-deal ferry contracts https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47206303
@Anna_Soubry Facts like that don't matter for the sort of rabid conspiracy theorists that push this kind of thing. The only thing shocking really is that the Express isn't leading with a story about how Phillip surrendering his license is somehow related to Diana's death.
Hundreds rally to preserve the "right" to put their children, and unwilling strangers, at risk from serious diseases.
The Anti-Vaxxer ethos is ill informed, dangerous and morally bankrupt. Unsurprisingly, a certain orange president has "Vaccines ==autism" tweets in his timeline. https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1094053195998023680
@KateHoeyMP Noone in my area elected you to the position you hold either, so please give up your seat immediately.
Oh, thats not how this works? strange that...
@carlcymru@FormerlyPete@daraobriain@paulcunno@AshleyTiffen@GaryLineker I came to the comments to find someone complaining about an Irishman getting involved by stating simple and obvious fact. Was not dissapointed.
Well, am a little sad that some of my countrymen are quite so thick...
@cswheatley@JamesCrisp6 Are you kidding? Throughout this entire mess its been needs of the Tory party first, country second. She *is* pretty inept though so its not always obvious
@AlecMuffett@laurenweinstein It's sad seeing people argue that really. Yes, logically, if you don't take the pictures they can't be stolen. But that doesn't mean it's the "right" answer.
@Fallenour Yeah reading the preceding bits of the thread, what you've done there is failed to recognise what to me, as a brit, is an obvious bit of sarcasm in tje guys comment. But that seems to happen your side of the pond
@RealSexyCyborg@SwiftOnSecurity He also has a frustrating inability to properly thread tweets, sending multie replies to the same parent. Makes it hard to catch up on threads
This won't rank in Google at all as there are thousands of pages with the title, but consider this another part of the internet that says "FUCKING @Dell. For fuck sake".
In this case, it's their apparent inability to maintain stable package repos
@eastantrimmp@duponline He didn't say anything about Leave voters. He was clearly talking about clueless, useless MPs like you who pushed for an outcome, but offered and had no plan at all.
The very fact you're put out by it highlights why he was right to call out those of you who are full of shit
Oh good.... @google have been messing about with interfaces again, so now I get the dubious pleasure of bright white whenever I check my email. Didn't like my retinas anyway...
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis > No deal is better than May's deal, in fact, remaining is better than her deal.
No argument here. Frankly I surprised myself the other day with the realisation that had UKIP (somehow) won the General Election, even they would probably have done a better job than May
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis No, not nearly enough yet. One thing I think we probably can agree on is that the Tories (well, politicians in general) need to stop fucking about and playing for time, and actually start sorting this mess out (one way or the other). Country before Party and all that
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis It is indeed. And the trade-deals those imports are done under? All end with our EU membership.
India's already said it want's greater freedom of movement to trade with us. US wants us to take their chicken (amongst other things). It goes on
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis What I'm saying is that you, and (particularly) others are far too cavalier and optimistic about what no-deal actually means for this country going forwards. The EU gets to spread the pain across 27 economies, we have just 1 to take the hit.
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis Accepting May's deal definitely would be an embarrassment, yes. But walking away from it puts us in a weaker position for future negotiations, as we'll have borne the full brunt of no-deal, and be perceived as desperate (particularly if the worst-cases come to pass). 1/2
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis You may not *want* to cut off trade, but that doesn't mean it wont be the outcome. Brexit isn't going to go well based purely on hopes and wishes, and to think otherwise is deluded. Let alone if we walk away from the divorce bill, what trading partner is going to trust us?
@PetitionGov@mbainesy@Rik_J_W@JoRichardsKent@Shinsei1967@hendopolis Yes, they want an army that we can block, so let's cut off all our imports and exports, burning bridges as we go so that we're ready and bent over when trade negotionations start.
What reality do you Brexiters live in?
@Keir_Starmer Maybe have a word with @jeremycorbyn and tell him to stop enabling the Tories then. There is no positive, jobs first, Brexit to be had.
Labour need to pull their thumbs out and start actually opposing.
@phgorleston@jamesrbuk@Tory_Karen The choice is what it is because of extremists on the leave side too. No deal would have been acceptable to the ERG, and Leave as a whole has never had any cohesion on what they actually want leaving to mean
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson (yeah I know I said 2). All that ignores the point though, that this ruling isn't about BDSM, it's about having authority and agency over your own body and what you do (or allow others to do) with it. Which is something we should all be in favour of, surely?
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson Not that I deny some would (and have) tried to excuse their abuse by claiming that it was simply BDSM. But then, most abusers will use anything they can to justify and excuse their behaviour. That doesn't make their scapegoat automatically wrong.
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson That's not what I meant and you know it. You spotted a man who's into BDSM and decided he's automatically a sadistic male. That's far from guaranteed. No shortage of female sadists in the world either. The stuff in your link isn't BDSM, it's abuse and rape, pure and simple 1/2
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson Which is a shame, because there has been actual harm & abuse in the history of pornography (*not* just BDSM), but diluting it with weak-handed claims like the one in that article does the victims a discredit. It also seeks to shame individuals for legitimate and private behaviour
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson Scan reading over that link, though, you can see a very real agenda there. BDSM was born solely because dangerous sadists wanted victims? No other reason? There's just no link with reality there.
@SuzzanBlac@ProfKRichardson Has it occurred to you, for just a second, that some men who are "into BDSM" prefer having that stuff done *to* them and not to the female.
And who are you to judge what happens between consenting adults? Don't conflate the (very real) issues in that link with those into kink
And here we see half the issue.....
The idea that it could never happen here, and that Britain is somehow different (and protected) is *incredibly* dangerous. Complacency leads to huge attack surfaces, and makes it easier for "it" to happen and the person to be proven wrong. https://twitter.com/Leefrog2/status/1090612570761949189
@ChrisLeslieMP@jeremycorbyn Over recent weeks, I've come to conclude that @jeremycorbyn is a waste of a seat on that bench. I'd never vote Labour with him in charge.
Which is a pity, cos I'm in a Tory safe seat, so it's probably only Labour that'd have a hope in hell of changing that
@leedearden3@GaryLineker But, sorting out the massive political problems in this country is a must, whether we leave or not. Westminister is in serious need of reform, and Party politics, of any persuasion frankly, can get in the fucking sea and stay there. That's just for a start
@leedearden3@GaryLineker There's a very good chance we are going to be leaving with no-deal. This lot, literally, couldn't even arrange a traffic jam in Kent. It's gonna hurt us a shitload more than us, and make us look like complete pricks to everyone we want to strike a trade deal with.
@DFMCologne@AlexJLeggett@faisalislam Possible I guess, though I don't think the ERG would accept that. But then, despite their claims, I don't think they'd actually accept a 2 week expiry date.
@robertshrimsley@Freedland Unless it involves stripping every one of the self-serving cunts of their assets, I'll find it hard to feel any schadenfreude in that.
@AlexJLeggett@faisalislam Perhaps they're going to quietly add a second backstop (the same as this one) and then loudly put an expiry date on this one.
TBH, I think the ERG and others, are just playing run down the clock so they can get the no deal they want
@leedearden3@GaryLineker Partly, definitely partly. But the claims/demands of some of the right have always been unobtainable too. Easiest deal ever, trade agreements with rest of the world by Mar 29 etc.
It was *never* going to happen, and I suspect was used to try and swing votes from the centre
@PCMcArdle So we should probably hit any Tory we see over the head with a spade? As a kindness, obviously....
Obviously.... don't do that. It's a joke. Oh and if you're a Tory MP reading this, the thing in front of your face is called a computer. Thats why the page won't turn https://twitter.com/PCMcArdle/status/1090588786709401600
@DavidDavisMP pulling this old line out again?
If he's wrong, I hope he's happy to move into a bedsit and give his entire personal wealth to foodbanks and similar charities? You know, so he's not just gambling with every body else's future https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1090527294039486464
@JuanIgnacioGil@IanDunt > No deal is the chosen outcome
But they voted through an amendment that said they were opposed to No Deal.
It *is* the outcome that's going to end up happening because of their ineptitude, but that's a big part of why this is such a complete shitshow
Frustrating how @facebook defend this with "Others do market research too" as if the depth of the shit they're gathering is entirely irrelevant.
What's scarier though, is that people are apparently willing to forsake all privacy for just $20 a month.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47053656
@leedearden3@GaryLineker Not if we wanted a deal it wouldn't. Her deals shit but its because of her red lines (which she didnt consult either Parliament or voters on...) that it is what it is. That and her trying to pander to all sides, including the extreme views of the ERG. It was a predictable outcome
@johnkerr1409@DenisonChapman@GaryLineker To be fair, a bunch of the current young could not vote in the referendum at the time.
Nor could a bunch of overseas Brits - some of whom may even have to come back to the shitfest of a no-deal brexit britain
@Lawforall007@finncairn@benjy_613@GaryLineker Exactly that.They might decide to move a bit for mutual benefit, but the Brexiteers claims are pie in the sky. Even small movement is unlikely given it'd be perceived as weakness before the trade negotiations begin
@JimMayall@andrewklambert@GaryLineker Fox and others a part of that. Spouting transparent bullshit like "easiest deal ever" could only ever undermine us. By bigging up our hand they revealed how ill prepared and naive they were to negotiators. Especially the whole claim we'd have 40+ deals in place by brexit day
@leedearden3@GaryLineker Its not though, is it. The Brexit process is, and always has been a Tory shitshow. The fractures in the party that caused the pigfucker to call a referendum have been amplified not resolved. At this point even I'll admit that UKIP could have done this better....
@RespectableLaw@JoeGamaldi I'm gonna go ahead and guess that none of your uncles has used a taser on someone who's holding a baby either? The police seem to have a lot of armed thugs amongst their ranks
@CHRIS196213@Peston@theresa_may It's worse than that. We're in this mess because a bunch of Tories sold impossible dreams (easiest deal ever etc). May's trying to get those same Tory's on side by selling yet more impossible dreams (get EU to remove the backstop).
All the while, no-deal gets closer and closer
@ShazzerMac2@Gavinnewsham@davidmanson78@LBC Do you mean the actual risk, or the risk as stated by the tabloids? The latter was severely overstated, the former not so much.
Of course, it's those same tabloids who are also claiming WTO would be a breeze, so if you're gonna learn lessons from Y2K you want to examine them
@ShazzerMac2@Gavinnewsham@davidmanson78@LBC Perhaps, like some of us, he was there and knows how much work went in. Still, it does make a good watermark for identifying the sort of cretins who think a successfully averted issue is good justification to march blindly into another potential disaster
@AlecMuffett@LapTop006@alexstamos@CNBC It may have changed in the meantime, but you used to be able to detect by using js to "visit" a link, then check if its changed colour (if not, likely incognito). Various apis (RequestFileSystem iirc) are also unavailable
@blackroomsec They probably believe only a woman would be interested in catching them, and no woman could be 'good' enough to find their elite group, so pseudonym's aren't needed.
@shintomac@ProEuUk@SebDance Thats why I was *glad* she won the confidence vote. Gets Corbyn off the election track, and we'd have had no meaningful choice during an election anyway. She needs to go, but sorting this mess should be the priority
@AlecMuffett Oh, and of course that using bcrypt might waste a few CPU cycles. But wasting 1TB of disk space just fine and dandy?
The claim 1TB will never be exfiltrated is fairly dubious too. Sony lost a reported 100TB and failed to notice. I deliver substantially more than that daily
@AlecMuffett Oh christ, is this argument _still_ going?
> The idea here is to have a solution that can effectively protect weak passwords.
Didn't this whole thread start because of a post claiming that we shouldn't use bcrypt because it "encourages" users to use weak passwords?
@mritson89 I don't think he's a mole, but he's definitely been a gift to them. He clearly likes to forget that he would have screwed this up almost as much as she has.
Losing the no-confidence vote should, hopefully, get his head out of the clouds and focusing on trying to improve things.
@Bbmorg@MarkXC@reve4rewop@mrjamesob He'll have made his money and avoided various taxes by then, so won't care. Particularly as he already has the funds to be able to just leave the UK to rot once he's had his way with us.
@enablerbro1@BethRigby Probably because the leader of the opposition seems to be quite closely aligned to the Tories in terms of what he wants from Brexit. So that General Election wouldn't give any meaningful political change even if Labour won it.
So any one hosting with @GoDaddy is very likely not GDPR compliant, because their host is untrustworthy enough to inject javascript and silently collect data into pages they host? Sounds like a great move for any company with EU operations or exposure.... https://disq.us/t/3ah5nm0
That's fine, someone will make non-creepy kit and I'll happily give them my money instead. I'd even happily pay that 'premium'
@Vizio exec: we'd have to charge a premium on "dumb" TVs to make up for the money we'll lose by not spying on you https://boingboing.net/2019/01/11/telescreens-r-us.html
@Anna_Soubry Not to mention, if/when we do Brexit the economic toll it takes will also be a prime opportunity for the far-right to grow. People will be poorer, possibly hungry, but definitely angry and looking for someone to blame. That's prime recruitment material for extremists of all types
^ That kind of tweet screw up is what happens when your NVidia driver spews memory all over the floor, and you try and hit keys, and 'Tweet' to get it submitted before you have to hold in the power switch
@Nick_Boro1@alexwickham Except they won't do that, because they could lose it. Far easier for them to just spew venom from the sidelines and act like petulant kids whilst they drum the issue up
For a group who use the term "snowflake" Brexiters really are a touchy lot. A set of fireworks, a single joke in a Doctor Who episode, and now a HSBC ad, all apparently #Brexit snubs and causing upset. Pansies
HSBC sparks controversy with ad campaign https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46782759
@tweetd99@clearair4kids@LeaveEUOfficial@Jacob_Rees_Mogg So, you disagree with Mogg then and think that it is in fact quite possible that we could end up with a medicine shortage because of the backlog? And that maybe it isn't "hysterical" to say that it could, and likely will happen?
@tweetd99@clearair4kids@LeaveEUOfficial@Jacob_Rees_Mogg So Jacob Rees Mogg is wrong and there _could_ be backlogs and shortages after all?
I mean, he literally said that WE are in control of what comes in. Either you're wrong and the EU has nothing to do with it, or he's wrong. Or both
@A_D_Robins@alistairpge@NoStaticAtAll To put it simply, Alistair is a wonk who'd rather spout air than listen to the reasoned arguments of anyone with relevant experience in the many, many affected industries.
Incidentally, whilst testing, something occurred to me. Prof Oak says he used to be a trainer long ago and only has 3 #pokemon left, of which you get 1
They are level 5. He's had them years. Is Oak the worst trainer ever, or has he cruelly confined them to their balls for years? https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1081935136235708416
@dokta01@JamesCleverly I do find that whenever I hear him speak, I feel like he's at some point decided to rebel against his family name. Doing a fantastic job if so.
@simon_brooke I work with Singapore, most of my colleagues over there cannot understand why we'd do what we're doing. They see the massive harm, as well as the bullshit inherent in the claim we could just be the European SG.
@chrisgerhard@trafficanxiety@simon_brooke Those permits also expire and the price is set based on demand. So your expensive permit may well be 4x the price when it comes up for renewal.
Eases congestion, but they tend to buy luxury gas guzzlers because of the permit cost, so environmental benefit may not be there at all
All the jokes about Seaborne Freight aside, totally this. It's a completely bungled contract, but given it wasn't advertised, any possible links need close and careful scrutiny.
Either the Dept is inept, or someone is crooked. Either of those demands action https://twitter.com/MrConnieS/status/1081192515041218560
@Scott_Helme Levering in new anti-phishing checks will just complicate the process of getting a cert, meaning some genuine people won't bother, and phishing sites will still find a way through.
Not clear how you'd check for phishing in any reliable manner either
@Scott_Helme IMO, no. The complaints mentioned in that article conflate authenticating a connection with verifying that the destination you've gone to is the one you wanted to visit.
The cert authenticates that endpoint may speak for https://example.com/. That's all it should do.
For reference, as annoying as they can be at times, this is a very *bad* response to send to someone trying to report confidentiality issues in your library - https://mailarchives.bentasker.co.uk/Mirrors/OSSSec/2019/01-Jan/msg00021.html
Some earlier replies are equally dismissive of the report rather than the reported issue
@MabbsSec@welcomebreak@TeslaOwnersUK It's dickish, for sure, but I can't help think blurring their reg too would've been the decent thing to do. A reg can be linked back to an owner, so what you've just done is dump identifying information about someone else into Social Media because they pissed you off
Just my 2p
@freshserviceapp how do you turn that stupid annoying snow effect off? I'm trying to read tickets and forget that I'm back at work.... It's a ticketing system for crying out loud
